| 91. she's wrong about winning the swing states |
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the states with the smallest margins in 2000 and 2004 in the Republican camp were - Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Virginia, and 2000 only Arkansas, West Virginia, and Louisiana.
Of those, Obama won Iowa, Colorado, Virginia, and Louisiana. Clinton won Ohio, Florida (with no campaign), Arkansas and West Virginia. They basically tied in New Mexico, Missouri and Nevada. So both their records are 4-4-3.
On the other hand, of the swing states that Democrats barely won in 2004 and 2000 - Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota and Oregon. Obama won Wisconsin, Minnesota and Oregon. Hillary won Pennsylvania and Michigan. New Hampshire was close to a tie, but really Hillary lost since 61% in New Hampshire voted for "Not Hillary". Her "victory" in Michigan was pretty unspectacular too since she was the only major candidate on the ballot and still only drew 55%. At best though, they were both 3-3.
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| -Hillary's op-ed is delusional crap and a lie and she should be ashamed |
ProSense |
May-25-08 10:22 AM |
#0 |
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And still no apology to Obama for her reprehensible remarks. |
marylanddem |
May-25-08 10:24 AM |
#1 |
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She Fucking Sucks |
FARAFIELD |
May-25-08 10:28 AM |
#3 |
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I'm watching Wolfson on "Face The Nation" and he's not fucking backing down ... |
LSparkle |
May-25-08 10:40 AM |
#9 |
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She cannot let down Bush |
bambino |
May-25-08 02:46 PM |
#64 |
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She is unelectable. |
sellitman |
May-25-08 10:30 AM |
#6 |
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Being Hillary Means Never Having To Say You're Sorry |
JimGinPA |
May-25-08 10:30 AM |
#7 |
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Why the hell should she apologize to Obama? |
Skip Intro |
May-25-08 10:42 AM |
#12 |
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Um, because she raised the possibility he could be off'd? |
marylanddem |
May-25-08 10:52 AM |
#18 |
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and because she lied about his position on her continuing the race |
ProSense |
May-25-08 10:58 AM |
#21 |
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She owes Obama an apology for staying in the race? |
Skip Intro |
May-25-08 10:59 AM |
#23 |
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Apparently, you didn't understand the comment. Read it again. n/t |
ProSense |
May-25-08 11:01 AM |
#24 |
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I understood the comment, ProSense, I just find it inaccurate. |
Skip Intro |
May-25-08 11:14 AM |
#26 |
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you are deliberately, deliberately ignoring the op. she said she |
roguevalley |
May-25-08 11:55 AM |
#34 |
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Some cannot see how offensive and morally dead her comments were |
Mimosa |
May-26-08 12:10 AM |
#92 |
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Dog whistles |
JNelson6563 |
May-26-08 07:45 AM |
#121 |
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Only 53 delegates to go, and Obama will be the Presumptive Nominee. |
Kittycat |
May-25-08 12:19 PM |
#40 |
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Only 49 now n/t |
IllinoisBirdWatcher |
May-26-08 12:02 AM |
#89 |
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FL and MI? Obviously, you didn't understand the comment. n/t |
ProSense |
May-25-08 01:01 PM |
#45 |
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None of us have EVER called Obama "The Messiah". |
Ken Burch |
May-26-08 12:13 AM |
#96 |
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"Maybe she should apologize for ever having run?" |
jgraz |
May-25-08 01:36 PM |
#53 |
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"because she lied about his position on her continuing the race" |
Zhade |
May-25-08 06:36 PM |
#73 |
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She had the right to run. But we both know there' s no good reason for her to stay in. |
Ken Burch |
May-25-08 11:57 PM |
#88 |
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She could apologize for f***ing lying everytime, for starters...see OP n/t |
ForeignSpectator |
May-26-08 02:53 AM |
#116 |
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No she didn't. |
Skip Intro |
May-25-08 10:58 AM |
#22 |
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"JFK jr"? Did he hold a press seance? |
Ken Burch |
May-25-08 11:56 PM |
#87 |
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I can't BELIEVE you are dragging up that RACIST "magical negro" |
NCevilDUer |
May-26-08 10:11 AM |
#144 |
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That is not what she said. |
sallyseven |
May-26-08 10:19 AM |
#149 |
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Actually, ignoring the disgusting reference to assassination |
Raineyb |
May-28-08 02:34 PM |
#174 |
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that you have to ask why shows a bit of moral bankruptcy on your |
roguevalley |
May-25-08 11:53 AM |
#31 |
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Because of the immorality of her remarks about assassination. |
Ken Burch |
May-25-08 11:17 PM |
#82 |
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She shouldn't. |
emilyg |
May-26-08 01:31 AM |
#105 |
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She's petty and vicious, a typical DLCer. |
notsodumbhillbilly |
May-25-08 10:44 AM |
#16 |
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Which had nothing to do with Obama |
WillyToad |
May-26-08 09:07 AM |
#132 |
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Who the hell are you to make such statement |
sallyseven |
May-26-08 10:10 AM |
#142 |
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She did nothing to Obama. he is a sneaking |
sallyseven |
May-26-08 10:27 AM |
#151 |
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Every time she mentions the specious "popular vote" argument ... |
LSparkle |
May-25-08 10:27 AM |
#2 |
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Her spin is laughable. |
tabasco |
May-25-08 10:28 AM |
#4 |
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If the party doesn't stop this vile candidate, it will deserve its own demise. |
polichick |
May-25-08 10:29 AM |
#5 |
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That is the ONLY way the Republicans can win in 2008. |
bvar22 |
May-25-08 11:48 AM |
#29 |
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Indeed it does. nt |
glitch |
May-25-08 01:19 PM |
#47 |
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What you said. |
Bette Noir |
May-26-08 01:40 AM |
#107 |
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Delusional. Or lying. Or both. |
gristy |
May-25-08 10:39 AM |
#8 |
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She has no shame. nt |
No Surrender |
May-25-08 10:41 AM |
#10 |
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She has NO merit left to her, period. She is neither a meritorious woman, politician OR |
K Gardner |
May-25-08 10:41 AM |
#11 |
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She is Following in Darling Lieberman's footsteps N/T |
Grinchie |
May-26-08 02:14 AM |
#111 |
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Come on now, of course she was going to write an op-ed |
IWantAnyDem |
May-25-08 10:43 AM |
#13 |
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Her parents didn't raise a quitter. n/t |
ProSense |
May-25-08 10:48 AM |
#17 |
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I wish to hell they had! |
marylanddem |
May-25-08 10:53 AM |
#19 |
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omg.. sorry, but that was LOL funny. |
K Gardner |
May-25-08 01:20 PM |
#48 |
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They evidently didn't raise a Democratic nominee for president either. |
Gore1FL |
May-25-08 12:23 PM |
#41 |
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. |
neverforget |
May-25-08 02:03 PM |
#59 |
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Nope, they raised a spoiled child. n/t |
IllinoisBirdWatcher |
May-26-08 12:11 AM |
#94 |
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They didn't raise a human being, either. |
Kierkegaard |
May-26-08 07:28 AM |
#118 |
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Quitter rhymes with bitter which rhymes with... |
teamster633 |
May-26-08 08:03 AM |
#124 |
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she still wants it because no one has tossed a net over her so she |
roguevalley |
May-25-08 11:56 AM |
#37 |
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And push it far enough so Fox News could push it further |
IllinoisBirdWatcher |
May-26-08 12:11 AM |
#93 |
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is this her campaign's version of damage control? |
ErinBerin84 |
May-25-08 10:44 AM |
#14 |
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No, seems like more scorched earth. |
me b zola |
May-25-08 12:03 PM |
#39 |
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Those closest to her, personally and campaign campers, are partly responsible too. |
asSEENonTV |
May-25-08 10:44 AM |
#15 |
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Excuse me??? The candidate is in charge of the campaign |
IllinoisBirdWatcher |
May-26-08 12:17 AM |
#97 |
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The first lie I found ......... |
Exilednight |
May-25-08 10:55 AM |
#20 |
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And the California Primary, with its boatload of delegates |
Warren Stupidity |
May-25-08 11:02 AM |
#25 |
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They are. Look at the 19 point poll swing this week to Obama. n/t |
IllinoisBirdWatcher |
May-26-08 12:19 AM |
#99 |
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well if you lie about it long enough |
IllinoisBirdWatcher |
May-26-08 12:18 AM |
#98 |
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She's as delusional as Bush is. |
Mystery2Me |
May-25-08 11:16 AM |
#27 |
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I agree. She is an embarrassment. |
blonndee |
May-25-08 11:55 AM |
#35 |
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"I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party." |
ObamaVision |
May-25-08 11:20 AM |
#28 |
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Well, at least she's consistant...KEEP DIGGING!!! |
tokenlib |
May-25-08 11:50 AM |
#30 |
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Oh shut up you big stupid brat. |
zidzi |
May-25-08 11:54 AM |
#32 |
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The eternal victim, the predictable liar...it's NEVER Hillary's fault. |
blonndee |
May-25-08 11:55 AM |
#33 |
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There has to be something wrong with her. |
Kierkegaard |
May-26-08 07:33 AM |
#120 |
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Too many oars (NT) |
The Wizard |
May-26-08 09:28 AM |
#137 |
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Equally fitting analogy. |
Kierkegaard |
May-26-08 09:31 AM |
#138 |
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Here is a link to Axelrod commenting on her OP-ED |
blogslut |
May-25-08 11:56 AM |
#36 |
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Thank you. The added bonus was hilarious :) n/t |
Catherina |
May-25-08 01:33 PM |
#52 |
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Obama's guy is fine . . . but WHY is anyone watching this dribble . .. ????? |
defendandprotect |
May-25-08 11:50 PM |
#86 |
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That was really good. |
JNelson6563 |
May-26-08 08:05 AM |
#125 |
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She believes the exact opposite of reality. |
DogPoundPup |
May-25-08 11:57 AM |
#38 |
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self delete |
backscatter712 |
May-25-08 12:36 PM |
#42 |
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But, she dismissed party unity two days ago. Which is it, Senator Clinton? |
seafan |
May-25-08 12:42 PM |
#43 |
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It's pretty easy to "Believe" when you're whacked out on Xanax. |
Grinchie |
May-26-08 02:24 AM |
#112 |
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K/R. |
Window |
May-25-08 12:44 PM |
#44 |
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I actually felt a little sorry for her yesterday |
dana_b |
May-25-08 01:06 PM |
#46 |
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I feel like we've all been swimming in shit since she entered the race |
jgraz |
May-25-08 01:30 PM |
#49 |
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You are...of your own making |
Evergreen Emerald |
May-25-08 01:32 PM |
#50 |
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check yourself. |
yourguide |
May-25-08 01:41 PM |
#55 |
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Oh give it a fucking rest, you ridiculous professional victim. |
jgraz |
May-25-08 01:48 PM |
#57 |
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True feminist? |
Evergreen Emerald |
May-25-08 01:57 PM |
#58 |
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Yes, true feminism. Sadly for you, you have to be an adult first |
jgraz |
May-25-08 02:22 PM |
#60 |
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It also requires you to see reality |
Evergreen Emerald |
May-25-08 02:27 PM |
#61 |
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See reality? Let's take a look, shall we? |
jgraz |
May-25-08 06:28 PM |
#70 |
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Wow Jgraz! |
Grinchie |
May-26-08 02:35 AM |
#113 |
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She is the one that voted to send those young men and women to die in the sands of Iraq. |
The Stranger |
May-25-08 01:32 PM |
#51 |
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I think she's worse too.. |
zidzi |
May-26-08 12:45 AM |
#102 |
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Everytime her or her companions .. |
butterfly77 |
May-25-08 01:41 PM |
#54 |
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You see, when normal people send feedback to HC.COM |
Grinchie |
May-26-08 02:45 AM |
#114 |
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Good Point. Similar to how SOME HRC supporters here... |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 08:57 AM |
#130 |
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Isn't this like the Rev.Wright thing... |
butterfly77 |
May-26-08 04:21 PM |
#160 |
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Yeah, definitely. |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 05:19 PM |
#164 |
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Hillary is right |
GoldieAZ49 |
May-25-08 01:46 PM |
#56 |
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Explain what RFK Jr. has to do with Hillary's assassination comment. n/t |
ProSense |
May-25-08 02:32 PM |
#62 |
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it is a mistake for people to take offense |
GoldieAZ49 |
May-25-08 02:47 PM |
#65 |
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That doesn't explain anything. That's RFK Jr. playing apologist. |
ProSense |
May-25-08 02:58 PM |
#67 |
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Please explain why RFK Jr's opinion is pertinent. n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-25-08 11:23 PM |
#83 |
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Never mind that the fight in June was during primaries that started |
NCevilDUer |
May-26-08 10:33 AM |
#152 |
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What about the manufactured outrage over Rev Wright from |
MadMaddie |
May-25-08 08:19 PM |
#75 |
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'Ignore what I actually said; focus on what I wanted you to hear.' |
anigbrowl |
May-25-08 02:44 PM |
#63 |
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If Hillary was a Lawyer, I would not hire her. Oh Snap! N/T |
Grinchie |
May-26-08 02:48 AM |
#115 |
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Hillary's Cam-Pain Manual |
Triana |
May-25-08 02:57 PM |
#66 |
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Fox, Hillary and her campaign's favorite "fair and balanced" network |
ProSense |
May-25-08 03:59 PM |
#68 |
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Good-bye, Hillary! |
Major Hogwash |
May-25-08 04:12 PM |
#69 |
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And the better people get to know her |
HooptieWagon |
May-26-08 09:21 AM |
#136 |
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Her career is over as a Democrat. |
Major Hogwash |
May-26-08 09:33 AM |
#140 |
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Agreed, she'll have a hard time holding on to the senate seat Bill bought her. |
HooptieWagon |
May-26-08 12:16 PM |
#156 |
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Senator Clinton Still Calling for a Debate |
ProSense |
May-25-08 06:29 PM |
#71 |
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Great Post :) Horray. That's it. Problem Solved |
IllinoisBirdWatcher |
May-26-08 12:38 AM |
#100 |
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I'm Puerto Rican. |
Bette Noir |
May-26-08 01:55 AM |
#108 |
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But She Believes She Is The Senator of Puerto Rico!* |
Grinchie |
May-26-08 02:56 AM |
#117 |
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Correct. She does not have the irrelevant popular vote, and wouldn't even with FL and MI. |
Zhade |
May-25-08 06:34 PM |
#72 |
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The statement Hillary Clinton should have released on Friday |
janet118 |
May-25-08 06:39 PM |
#74 |
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You're at least the third person who has offered her a script for a proper apology. |
Bette Noir |
May-26-08 01:58 AM |
#109 |
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Pitch Perfect Apology |
Zosima |
May-26-08 08:50 AM |
#128 |
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As if ! |
janet118 |
May-27-08 07:04 AM |
#167 |
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I've been suffering from irony deficiency... |
Zosima |
May-27-08 07:09 PM |
#170 |
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You must be reading my mail ... |
janet118 |
May-28-08 01:55 PM |
#172 |
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K & R. |
apocalypsehow |
May-25-08 08:20 PM |
#76 |
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Millions of democratic voters are just so full of shit for wanting her to continue. |
bjobotts |
May-25-08 10:52 PM |
#77 |
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You left out of your pan of her op-ed where she says she will fight for Obama |
bjobotts |
May-25-08 10:53 PM |
#78 |
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Obama must be stupid for not making all the points you're making huh? |
bjobotts |
May-25-08 10:54 PM |
#79 |
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I think Obama would tell you your full of shit and are pushing hate and anger. |
bjobotts |
May-25-08 10:57 PM |
#80 |
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Thank God Obama isn't as petty as the comments here. Trust his lead. |
bjobotts |
May-25-08 10:59 PM |
#81 |
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Which is meaningless since it's her attacks on him that let McCain back into the race |
Ken Burch |
May-26-08 12:11 AM |
#95 |
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What difference would it make? |
Raineyb |
May-28-08 02:47 PM |
#175 |
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Interesting that the Times didn't run it. |
dailykoff |
May-25-08 11:27 PM |
#84 |
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Seemingly, obsession moves into delusion . . . ???? |
defendandprotect |
May-25-08 11:43 PM |
#85 |
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And another rat jumps the sinking ship: |
LaStrega |
May-26-08 12:02 AM |
#90 |
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she's wrong about winning the swing states |
hfojvt |
May-26-08 12:09 AM |
#91 |
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"flies in the face of everything I stand for - |
dailykoff |
May-26-08 12:43 AM |
#101 |
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You're over, Hillary. |
Lugnut |
May-26-08 12:54 AM |
#103 |
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Prosense, why do you hate the Democratic Party so much? |
McCamy Taylor |
May-26-08 01:02 AM |
#104 |
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Who brought up assassinating Obama? Terry McAwful and Hillary!!! |
Major Hogwash |
May-26-08 09:41 AM |
#141 |
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You have a lot of nerve after all your pro-Hillary, anti-Obama bullshit |
ProSense |
May-26-08 11:13 AM |
#154 |
| -
The woman needs medical help. |
Bette Noir |
May-26-08 01:31 AM |
#106 |
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I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party |
Grinchie |
May-26-08 02:10 AM |
#110 |
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ProSence = NON-Sence! |
indimuse |
May-26-08 07:28 AM |
#119 |
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It must be sad |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 09:03 AM |
#131 |
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Did Lirwin move into your basement? n/t |
rucky |
May-26-08 10:14 AM |
#147 |
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Why can't she just say "I'm sorry". Her apology makes it seem like its our |
glowing |
May-26-08 07:59 AM |
#122 |
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She is indeed like Bush, in many many ways. |
Maineman |
May-26-08 08:32 AM |
#127 |
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It begs the question; Would you want someone with such a weak grasp |
nomad1776 |
May-26-08 08:00 AM |
#123 |
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Thank you, Hillary! |
Voltaire99 |
May-26-08 08:30 AM |
#126 |
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Delegate math is simple, popular vote math IS MEANINGLESS POLITICING WITH NO LOGIC |
Yotun |
May-26-08 08:50 AM |
#129 |
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no one should be surprised ... |
tomp |
May-26-08 09:08 AM |
#133 |
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Delusional crap and lies is standard fare in politics. |
undeterred |
May-26-08 09:18 AM |
#134 |
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It is Hillary's right as an American to run for as long as she is able to |
Gman |
May-26-08 09:21 AM |
#135 |
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STRAWMAN: No one denies your lame point. |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 09:33 AM |
#139 |
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I think you need to learn what a Straw Man argument is |
Gman |
May-26-08 10:10 AM |
#143 |
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Wrong. The Straw Man fallacy defined for you: |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 12:49 PM |
#157 |
| -
Well, let's see now... |
Gman |
May-26-08 03:37 PM |
#159 |
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You are clueless. Not ONE of those threads supports your Straw Man |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 04:53 PM |
#162 |
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You're argument is the typical Bushistic Obamabot answer |
Gman |
May-26-08 05:25 PM |
#165 |
| -
And.... Back to Ad Hominem. |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 05:33 PM |
#166 |
| -
I could just claw her eyes out! |
Perry Logan |
May-26-08 10:13 AM |
#145 |
| -
Hillary jacked herself up... |
Doityourself |
May-26-08 10:17 AM |
#148 |
| -
Why can't she close the deal? |
rucky |
May-26-08 10:13 AM |
#146 |
| -
What merits? Her IWR vote? Her Kyle/Liberman ammendment for? sure....... /nt |
still_one |
May-26-08 10:19 AM |
#150 |
| -
another in-depth argument from an unbiased source |
Evergreen Emerald |
May-26-08 10:34 AM |
#153 |
| -
Refute it then. |
ExPatLeftist |
May-26-08 12:50 PM |
#158 |
| -
Perfect. n/t |
ProSense |
May-28-08 01:04 PM |
#171 |
| -
In her own words via SNL |
sce56 |
May-26-08 11:51 AM |
#155 |
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She's either a liar, or she's delusional. |
MilesColtrane |
May-26-08 04:29 PM |
#161 |
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Written in the style of a Josef Goebbels |
IndianaGreen |
May-26-08 05:05 PM |
#163 |
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There certainly is "delusional crap" in many of the above posts. |
MethuenProgressive |
May-27-08 07:07 AM |
#168 |
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Bill debunks Hillary |
ProSense |
May-27-08 09:41 AM |
#169 |
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Obama needs to get out |
Generator |
May-28-08 02:14 PM |
#173 |
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