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22. That's bullshit, the idea that this is "opportunistic smear" territory- this is wtf is wrong with
this person territory, plain and simple.

You are damaging whatever credibility you had left on this board.
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  -All she meant was that Bobby Kennedy's campaign was still active in June bigtree  May-24-08 08:18 AM   #0 
  - Bobby Kennedy's campaign was only 2 months old in June  boobooday   May-24-08 08:19 AM   #1 
  - And why throw in  Jawja   May-24-08 08:21 AM   #7 
     - Just a glimpse inside Bill & Hill's private conversations. Sick.  polpilot   May-24-08 08:52 AM   #47 
        - How is it private if you know about it?  JoFerret   May-24-08 08:17 PM   #164 
  - I agree, but that won't stop the feeding frenzy....  flowomo   May-24-08 08:19 AM   #2 
  - Then she should have SAID that!  Bettie   May-24-08 08:20 AM   #3 
  - Agreed. K&R  DemVet   May-24-08 08:20 AM   #4 
  - She could have said that. Instead, she said he was assassinated in June. Why the fuck would you brin  GarbagemanLB   May-24-08 08:20 AM   #5 
  - Thats a good point. nt  Quixote1818   May-24-08 11:50 AM   #135 
  - AND that he was assassinated  CreekDog   May-24-08 08:21 AM   #6 
  - Why bring it up when making the argument why  Jawja   May-24-08 08:22 AM   #8 
     - because of the calls for her to quit now. She was making the case that, historically.  bigtree   May-24-08 08:24 AM   #13 
        - but if that actually happened, Clinton's remaining in the race would make no difference  CreekDog   May-24-08 08:29 AM   #15 
        - See how easy it was for you to make that case without assassination  JenniferZ   May-24-08 08:39 AM   #24 
        - so no one should 'mention' the assassination in any context, even a benign one?  bigtree   May-24-08 08:49 AM   #41 
           - Not in the context of 'why stay in the race'. DUH.  Warren Stupidity   May-24-08 08:51 AM   # 
           - And you can go around spreading that lie if you want  bigtree   May-24-08 08:53 AM   #49 
              - You have reached the delusional stage where we are all liars.  Warren Stupidity   May-24-08 08:58 AM   #54 
                 - You cite the newspaper but ignore the conclusion of the ones who interviewed her  bigtree   May-24-08 09:06 AM   #65 
           - Assassination is totally irrelevant to her point. So why keep  JenniferZ   May-24-08 08:59 AM   #56 
           - Jennifer you bring up a good point about how easily it could of  midnight   May-24-08 09:51 AM   #96 
              - I'm tired of this too. I would dearly love to move on to more  JenniferZ   May-24-08 09:58 AM   #99 
              - You forget that this also affected the Obama family and Ted Kennedy's family.  gal   May-24-08 10:28 AM   #113 
           - The editorial boards have torn her apart over this, and Axelrod knows better than to go after this  MN Against Bush   May-24-08 09:31 AM   #78 
           - Here's what she meant:  earthside   May-24-08 09:32 AM   #79 
              - those interviewing her don't agree with that interpretation of her words  bigtree   May-24-08 09:43 AM   #91 
                 - Worse than the crass insensitivity of her choice of example  HousePainter   May-24-08 08:56 PM   #167 
        - the first primary or caucus that year was March 12. It's a lousy  cali   May-24-08 08:58 AM   #53 
        - but the GENERAL ELECTION DATE was the same  bigtree   May-24-08 09:44 AM   #93 
        - yes, not a fair comparison since most large states such as California  unapatriciated   May-24-08 10:29 AM   #114 
        - The problem with her statement  Irishonly   May-24-08 10:10 AM   #108 
        - from her statement:  bigtree   May-24-08 10:16 AM   #110 
           - Question  Irishonly   May-24-08 10:29 AM   #115 
              - I really don't know how to talk about Bobby Kennedy  bigtree   May-24-08 10:34 AM   #119 
                 - I Didn't Say She Had A Motive  Irishonly   May-24-08 10:44 AM   #124 
        - Re: History  SOS   May-24-08 07:04 PM   #160 
  - In the best case, it shows how utterly incompetent she is  Onlooker   May-24-08 08:22 AM   #9 
  - She didn't even have to mention assassination. She still could  JenniferZ   May-24-08 08:23 AM   #10 
  - There were many other, more recent examples she could have used  Mystery2Me   May-24-08 08:23 AM   #11 
  - I agree with what she meant...  Higher Standard   May-24-08 08:23 AM   #12 
  - you ought to get to know your candidate better.  burythehatchet   May-24-08 08:27 AM   #14 
  - Her own words betray her intentions, and no amount of spin will help  Cirque du So-What   May-24-08 08:30 AM   #16 
  - the Argus editorial board AGREES WITH ME, not you're sick interpretation  bigtree   May-24-08 08:35 AM   #18 
  - I tend to disregard those who call me 'sick'  Cirque du So-What   May-24-08 08:43 AM   #36 
  - Oh, but you want room to accuse Sen. Clinton of having some 'bloodthirsty fantasy'  bigtree   May-24-08 08:50 AM   # 
     - I calls 'em like I sees 'em  Cirque du So-What   May-24-08 08:59 AM   #55 
  - We can all watch the video you know.  JackRiddler   May-24-08 09:33 AM   #80 
     - here's the statement  bigtree   May-24-08 09:45 AM   #94 
  - It's YOUR fantasy on display. Not hers.  JoFerret   May-24-08 08:19 PM   #165 
  - Who's drinking the fucking kool-aid now?  chascarrillo   May-24-08 08:33 AM   #17 
  - I guess the editorial board who conducted the interview  bigtree   May-24-08 08:36 AM   #20 
     - Oh! Well since the editorial board agrees...  BklnDem75   May-24-08 09:30 AM   #77 
        - what about RFK Jr.?  bigtree   May-24-08 09:46 AM   #95 
           - You mean Hillary's lone Kennedy endorsement?  BklnDem75   May-24-08 10:07 AM   #107 
           - but folks outside of the family can play victim, ignoring his own response?  bigtree   May-24-08 10:18 AM   #111 
              - Nobody's playing victim  BklnDem75   May-24-08 10:34 AM   #120 
           - RFK Jr wants her Senate seat  Carolina   May-24-08 11:57 AM   #137 
  - BULLSHIT  JVS   May-24-08 08:36 AM   #19 
  - bullshit yourself  bigtree   May-24-08 08:37 AM   #21 
  - Why do you keep opening a big old can of "Whupass" on yourself?  symbolman   May-24-08 08:51 AM   #45 
     - You apparently have no idea how secure with myself I really am.  bigtree   May-24-08 09:03 AM   #59 
        - Okay lonely Secure guy..  symbolman   May-24-08 10:05 AM   #106 
        - I know myself. That's what's important, not how I'm viewed by the rabble here.  bigtree   May-24-08 10:14 AM   #109 
        - I think Ted Kennedy and the Obama family have a right to be offended.  gal   May-24-08 10:30 AM   #117 
  - give him a break  antifaschits   May-24-08 08:39 AM   #25 
     - I just got home from work, read the press accounts, heard Axelrod yesterday  bigtree   May-24-08 08:42 AM   #35 
     - I presume, that includes her bullshit, too?  antifaschits   May-24-08 08:46 AM   #40 
     - Then why do you keep coming back?  think4yourself   May-24-08 09:40 AM   #87 
     - I doubt he is being paid for his delusional posts.  Warren Stupidity   May-24-08 09:13 AM   #69 
        - funny though that RFK Jr. has offered the exact same defense of her statement  bigtree   May-24-08 09:41 AM   #90 
  - That's bullshit, the idea that this is "opportunistic smear" territory- this is wtf is wrong with  jsmirman   May-24-08 08:37 AM   #22 
  - bull shit!  DaLittle Kitty   May-24-08 08:38 AM   #23 
  - right back at ya  bigtree   May-24-08 08:41 AM   #27 
  - If you are a rational thinking individual who has listened to her words  mrone2   May-24-08 08:40 AM   #26 
  - One thought...  Mhegwood3   May-24-08 08:41 AM   #28 
  - No doubt a good portion is anger from those already angry but she could have referenced RFK w/o  SemiCharmedQuark   May-24-08 08:41 AM   #29 
  - They know that- they are just making it into something it isn't  Marrah_G   May-24-08 08:41 AM   #30 
  - Interesting point that...."fake outrage"  windbreeze   May-24-08 10:34 AM   #122 
  - Yes, I really believe the outrage is fake. People here hate her so much they will twist anything  Marrah_G   May-24-08 11:02 AM   #127 
     - it is not 'fake' outrage. It's real anger, hurt, and sadness that many of us here feel. To dismiss  slinkerwink   May-24-08 11:07 AM   #129 
     - Have you seen the reaction from the rest of the country on the MSM forums?  gal   May-24-08 11:29 AM   #133 
     - I don't much care what the MSM says- remember when they were all over Wright?  Marrah_G   May-24-08 11:47 AM   #134 
     - I don't know how old you are...  windbreeze   May-24-08 05:41 PM   #148 
  - It's not fake, Marrah. It really isn't  JerseygirlCT   May-24-08 05:51 PM   #152 
  - ...and THEN it wasn't active.  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-24-08 08:41 AM   #31 
  - Oh bullshit.  Warren Stupidity   May-24-08 08:42 AM   #32 
  - What a shame that all you can do is attack me personally  bigtree   May-24-08 08:43 AM   #37 
     - I'm begging you to come to your senses  Warren Stupidity   May-24-08 08:50 AM   #43 
        - I'm going to have opinions and I'm going to ocassionally post them  bigtree   May-24-08 08:52 AM   #48 
  - Attempts to frame  H2O Man   May-24-08 08:42 AM   #33 
  - Well, I'll be in good company where I stand. RFK Jr. Says No One Should Be Offended  bigtree   May-24-08 08:57 AM   #51 
     - Yes, Robert is  H2O Man   May-24-08 09:01 AM   #57 
     - point taken.  bigtree   May-24-08 09:07 AM   #66 
        - And you, as well.  H2O Man   May-24-08 09:15 AM   #70 
     - That's fair of him to say  graycem   May-24-08 04:09 PM   #147 
  - A Drunk Man's Word Is A Sober Man's  chitty   May-24-08 08:42 AM   #34 
  - "All she meant" is crystal clear.....  marions ghost   May-24-08 08:44 AM   #38 
  - Great post. Thanks. nt  JenniferZ   May-24-08 09:03 AM   #60 
  - Note that the Tweety's out there never show us the context - they never play the tape of the  Seabiscuit   May-24-08 08:44 AM   #39 
  - It's about time your side dealt with it  Blondbostonian   May-24-08 08:51 AM   #46 
  - Careless language  Bavorskoami   May-24-08 08:49 AM   #42 
  - You're attempting logic in a mosh pit. Good luck.  Elspeth   May-24-08 08:50 AM   #44 
  - So you don't find anything disgusting with her statement?  skooooo   May-24-08 08:57 AM   #52 
     - The OP's statement? Bigtree is as welcome to her opinion as you are to yours?  Elspeth   May-24-08 09:23 AM   #75 
  - The primary schedule was completely different in 1968.  Crunchy Frog   May-24-08 08:56 AM   #50 
  - Well, then why didn't she just say Bobby Kennedy was still fighting for the nomination in June  my3boyz   May-24-08 09:02 AM   #58 
  - EXACTLY. WHY bring up assassination?  GarbagemanLB   May-24-08 09:04 AM   #62 
  - Exactly. That was my point to him above. But he says that's  JenniferZ   May-24-08 09:04 AM   #63 
  - As were Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey  BeyondGeography   May-24-08 07:21 PM   #161 
  - No, that's not what she meant...  Jeff In Milwaukee   May-24-08 09:04 AM   #61 
  - She said "assassination" in a discussion about why she's still in the race.  weezy2736   May-24-08 09:06 AM   #64 
  - Yep. It was a stupid gaffe. But, one that will happily sink her chances for VP.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-24-08 09:09 AM   #67 
  - Hillary has mentioned assassination before--She has a mental problem  IndianaGreen   May-24-08 09:12 AM   #68 
  - Hordes of newbies signing in w/ manufactured outrage  OzarkDem   May-24-08 09:18 AM   #71 
  - And where were you during snubgate/ bittergate/ facescratchinggate?  MrsT   May-24-08 09:40 AM   #88 
     - He was rubbing one out nightly in front of the computer.  cottonseed   May-24-08 01:41 PM   #141 
  - No, it is not.  Arkana   May-24-08 09:19 AM   #72 
  - The lengths some will go through to excuse this is astounding  Terri S   May-24-08 09:23 AM   #73 
  - You mean like RFK Jr.? Did he go to 'astounding lengths' in his defense of her?  bigtree   May-24-08 09:37 AM   #84 
     - You keep using Robert Kennedy like this only matters to him.  gal   May-24-08 10:37 AM   #123 
  - When you are running for President, you have to think carefully and speak carefully.  CLW   May-24-08 09:23 AM   #74 
  - Bigtree, I'm sorry.  Kristi1696   May-24-08 09:25 AM   #76 
  - she had a full statement which included that comment. I just think this is overblown  bigtree   May-24-08 09:35 AM   #82 
     - And if it weren't...  Kristi1696   May-24-08 09:53 AM   #97 
        - Well, I'm with Kennedy  bigtree   May-24-08 09:59 AM   #100 
  - That's how I interpreted it, too. And I'm not a  LibDemAlways   May-24-08 09:33 AM   #81 
  - Too bad for her that she didn't say that - in her repeated comments!  JackRiddler   May-24-08 09:36 AM   #83 
  - In a statement, Kennedy Jr. said:  bigtree   May-24-08 09:39 AM   #86 
     - That's very nice of him - as a Clinton endorser.  JackRiddler   May-24-08 10:47 AM   #126 
  - AMEN! The fevered fauxrage here is worthy of an oscar.  Skip Intro   May-24-08 09:39 AM   #85 
  - Would someone who is truly "ready on day one"  phiddle   May-24-08 09:40 AM   #89 
  - The information about this and Obamas minister has  midnight   May-24-08 09:44 AM   #92 
  - Maybe she did  intaglio   May-24-08 09:55 AM   #98 
  - heh, I've not criticized him in any significant way and I'm not going to start now  bigtree   May-24-08 10:03 AM   #104 
     - This honesty what I have come to expect from you  intaglio   May-24-08 03:40 PM   #142 
  - Then she should have said that.  Andy823   May-24-08 10:00 AM   #101 
  - Exactly right, bigtree. n/t  Shine   May-24-08 10:00 AM   #102 
  - Then she should have said it that way.  OurVotesCount-Ohio   May-24-08 10:01 AM   #103 
  - bigtree - you are totally being biased here - accept she messed up and move on.  asSEENonTV   May-24-08 10:04 AM   #105 
  - Tell that to RFK Jr.  bigtree   May-24-08 10:19 AM   #112 
     - You gotta quit with the RFK Jr. thing.  cottonseed   May-24-08 01:39 PM   #140 
  - There are at least a dozen other examples, she conveyed, "June is the month for assassinations."  ShortnFiery   May-24-08 10:30 AM   #116 
  - Nice pro-clinton damage control  cbc5g   May-24-08 10:31 AM   #118 
  - She should have run a positive campaign  cbc5g   May-24-08 10:34 AM   #121 
  - I feel sorry  odelisk8   May-24-08 10:45 AM   #125 
  - Still NOT okay to say, by the way, he was assassinated. there are many other references to make  slinkerwink   May-24-08 11:05 AM   #128 
  - Hitler campaigned hard against seemingly impossible odds.  JVS   May-24-08 11:08 AM   #130 
  - I can buy Clinton didn't mean anything by the statement, but god, what a stupid, tactless statement  mystieus   May-24-08 11:08 AM   #131 
  - actually she said "through June". It was only 4 days.  mishte   May-24-08 11:13 AM   #132 
  - Bullshit  Carolina   May-24-08 11:52 AM   #136 
  - Bill had the nomination wrapped up before June and she had made the assasination remarks before  thewiseguy   May-24-08 11:58 AM   #138 
  - Bullshit.  RoadRage   May-24-08 01:29 PM   #139 
  - There were 100 ways to say it. She picked the absolute worst one.  Skrelnick   May-24-08 03:42 PM   #143 
  - Then why didn't she just say that - and leave the assassination remarks out?  last1standing   May-24-08 03:44 PM   #144 
  - Oh yes, poor little darling. Never mind Huckster's comments at the NRA Convention  Overseas   May-24-08 03:48 PM   #145 
  - The reason I think  graycem   May-24-08 03:58 PM   #146 
  - Spin and twist her comments all you Rove would be proud. eom  smiley_glad_hands   May-24-08 05:42 PM   #149 
  - I think that's what she meant. The problem is, that's not what she  JerseygirlCT   May-24-08 05:47 PM   #150 
  - NONONO!! "June" is racist code speak for "Hope he dies!!!"  MethuenProgressive   May-24-08 05:49 PM   #151 
  - It's symptomatic of Hillary wearing herself out trying to make an argument that she can still win  Hippo_Tron   May-24-08 05:52 PM   #153 
  - I am an Obama supporter and I think you're right about her intended meaning  BurtWorm   May-24-08 06:13 PM   #154 
  - Clinton's intended meaning--for the 4th time...?  Freda People   May-24-08 06:34 PM   #156 
  - Please God. Tell me you're kidding.  Phx_Dem   May-24-08 06:24 PM   #155 
  - Here's Bigtree, here's a picture to illustrate your point  Wolsh   May-24-08 06:37 PM   #157 
  - post like this are what make you so popular here  bigtree   May-24-08 08:06 PM   #162 
     - You're right, I could take your route to popularity  Wolsh   May-24-08 08:12 PM   #163 
  - take out the word assassination and put in hang nail  grantcart   May-24-08 06:44 PM   #158 
  - You are correct. Even his son admits it n/t  Combative Democrat   May-24-08 06:47 PM   #159 
  - She phrased it very poorly if that is what she intend to convey.  ecdab   May-24-08 08:41 PM   #166 

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