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Fri May-23-08 07:39 PM
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| 69. I respectfully disagree with you about this sfam. I trust Obama to do the right thing and I know |
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he will. Hillary, however, has proven not to be trustworthy to do the right thing and I think that she will not exit gracefully if Barack rescues her from this. He will lift her out of the water and she will stand on his shoulders to drown him. This is the character that she has displayed, and I think her statement today will lead others to believe that she has a-win-at-any cost attitude.
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| -Obama's chance to make amends with Clinton's supporters...Seize the Moment!!! |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:16 PM |
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No. He should let her hang on her own rope, and be guiltless of any "forcing her out" of the race |
JVS |
May-23-08 07:17 PM |
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No, his outcome should be to win the General Election, and... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:17 PM |
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yeah, and to do that he needs to be rid of her campaigning against him. So he lets this play out. |
JVS |
May-23-08 07:19 PM |
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Yep. Precisely |
cliffordu |
May-23-08 07:25 PM |
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Didn't many of us say that if she stayed in the race long enough... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-23-08 07:37 PM |
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What must her black SD's be thinking lately? Sounds like David |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-23-08 09:11 PM |
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they will just use it to declare that everyone critical of her was being overreactive |
virtualobserver |
May-23-08 07:18 PM |
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Everyone except Obama that is... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:19 PM |
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They won't consider it to have been a favor. They think she's entitled to his defense and the... |
JVS |
May-23-08 07:21 PM |
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This statement is not Obama's fault. Hillary, if it does end, ended it this way, not Barack. |
wanpete |
May-23-08 07:29 PM |
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Forget about fault. Focus on winning the GE. |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:35 PM |
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I respectfully disagree with you about this sfam. I trust Obama to do the right thing and I know |
wanpete |
May-23-08 07:39 PM |
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You don't get it. It's over. She is officially "D for DONE" as of this evening... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:43 PM |
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I do get it, and I don't really appreciate your judgment of my opinions, as I have respectfully |
wanpete |
May-23-08 07:47 PM |
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I don't care what Hillary thinks or whether she gets humiliated...I do care.. |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:48 PM |
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Good point. |
Yael |
May-23-08 07:21 PM |
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OP makes a good point |
krawhitham |
May-23-08 07:20 PM |
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Wow...all these good points comments, but no recommendations... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:33 PM |
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You're a nice person and I appreciate where you're coming from. I'll give you a rec. |
Kahuna |
May-23-08 08:52 PM |
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fuck her |
grassfed |
May-23-08 07:20 PM |
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Do you honestly think this is the end? |
Yael |
May-23-08 07:20 PM |
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I didn't say "add her to the ticket", I said... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:21 PM |
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Thats the thing -- I don't see her "exiting" |
Yael |
May-23-08 07:23 PM |
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Maybe you haven't kept up with current events but this was a game changer... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:32 PM |
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Then why should he bow to her? |
Yael |
May-23-08 07:39 PM |
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I'm truly amazed by the "Why?" comments. The answer is clear...we are not in the real race... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:41 PM |
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Agreed. It would be the galant thing to do |
LittleBlue |
May-23-08 07:21 PM |
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Why should he? |
Wolsh |
May-23-08 07:21 PM |
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Why? Um, to WIN in the GE...why else? |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:22 PM |
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I don't think he will get the votes of the die hard Clinton supporters no matter what he... |
totodeinhere |
May-23-08 07:26 PM |
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'They are out to destroy the Dem Party' - that's libelous, really it is. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:27 PM |
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They want to steal the nomination from Obama and in so doing create such a rift in the party that... |
totodeinhere |
May-23-08 07:30 PM |
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OMG who told you that? |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:31 PM |
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I am capable of coming to my own conclusions. |
totodeinhere |
May-23-08 07:35 PM |
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Okie dokie, I can only hope you're young. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:37 PM |
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Yes, campaigns do go like this. But remember that Obama want to change that old style... |
totodeinhere |
May-23-08 07:53 PM |
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Well, I voted for Edwards. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 08:00 PM |
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Oh please. Hillary is making a "femnist movement" out of her campaign.. |
Kahuna |
May-23-08 08:56 PM |
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yeah that's me, deaf dumb and blind. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 09:05 PM |
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Believe it or not, Hillary supporters are not evil people...I even know some of them... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:30 PM |
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I didn't say they are evil. If as I believe some of them are out to destroy the party, |
totodeinhere |
May-23-08 07:34 PM |
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I believe they are just as caught up in "the moment" as you are. You both have... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:37 PM |
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Because it's over for her and he can lead the way as a healer. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:22 PM |
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so if she says two or three other things that are even more egregious, |
gkhouston |
May-23-08 07:28 PM |
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Presidents should be "fucking magnanimous". Hillary's campaign is over. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:31 PM |
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Has Hillary said her campaign is over? I think not. |
gkhouston |
May-23-08 07:35 PM |
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Nothing is unpresidential about what Obama has said. I don't believe he himself has commented on it. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:36 PM |
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The spinmeisters will just accuse him of taking advantage in some way. |
anigbrowl |
May-23-08 07:22 PM |
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To hell with her and her POS supporters. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
May-23-08 07:22 PM |
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Welcome to the McCain administration... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:23 PM |
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Bullshit. The country is going to vote the Democratic nominee in no matter who it is this year. |
apocalypsehow |
May-23-08 07:26 PM |
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I suspect he will.....The tones from the campaign have been quite conciliatory. |
marmar |
May-23-08 07:23 PM |
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Truly, his campaign has been extremely measured as a whole. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:24 PM |
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And then after the spanking... the oral sex. n/t |
IanDB1 |
May-23-08 07:23 PM |
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Awesome!!! |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:24 PM |
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I don't think it will work |
union_maid |
May-23-08 07:23 PM |
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Give hope a chance...yes we can... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:25 PM |
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Sinister or "sexist". Everything Obama says, and every gesture he makes |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-23-08 09:21 PM |
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Then "THEY" will use it as a sign of "weakness." |
WA98070 |
May-23-08 07:24 PM |
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exactly...Let the fool go down! |
skooooo |
May-23-08 07:26 PM |
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And we'll all go down together...Welcome to the McCain administration... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:29 PM |
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I agree actually. It would be a good strategic move for him- and Hillary would need to be a serious |
Yotun |
May-23-08 07:24 PM |
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I don't see that happening. He will say, though, that he believes she doesn't mean to insinuate he |
themartyred |
May-23-08 07:25 PM |
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I hope not...I hope he goes all Man-Bear-Pig for her... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:26 PM |
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I'm not sure that Hillary knows this, nor do some of her more ardent supporters. n/t |
gkhouston |
May-23-08 07:31 PM |
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Attacking Olbermann? Please tell me you're kidding....nt |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-23-08 09:23 PM |
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... as far as he knows! :D |
Yotun |
May-23-08 07:30 PM |
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Interesting. |
H2O Man |
May-23-08 07:25 PM |
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meh. She would only use it to stand back up on solid ground and KICK him. We have GOT to |
K Gardner |
May-23-08 07:26 PM |
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As best he can, Obama needs to try to ignore Clinton's remarks. |
ladjf |
May-23-08 07:26 PM |
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Obama, time and time again, has been gracious to Hillary. He never mentioned her |
wanpete |
May-23-08 07:27 PM |
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He should double-down...be even MORE gracious... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:28 PM |
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Hillary, especially in the last 2 months, has proven that Obama's graciousness is only returned with |
wanpete |
May-23-08 07:34 PM |
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This too shall pass... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:39 PM |
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We do need unity sfam, and I think it is just as incumbent upon the Hillary supporters to reach out |
wanpete |
May-23-08 07:41 PM |
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Wouldn't it be nice if Obama played the "leader" here? |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:45 PM |
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No need to let it sink in, her campaign ended today. |
Bluebear |
May-23-08 07:29 PM |
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The way HRC rescued Obama during Snubgate? Plagiarismgate? Bittergate? Pastorgate? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
May-23-08 07:28 PM |
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But that would infuriate his indignation junkies. n/t |
QC |
May-23-08 07:29 PM |
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The only problem with that is: we all know what she'll turn around and do if he does. |
BlooInBloo |
May-23-08 07:31 PM |
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kick him in the balls? to be blunt. |
book_worm |
May-23-08 07:33 PM |
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Basically. |
BlooInBloo |
May-23-08 07:33 PM |
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Take it as her due and attack him again the first chance she gets? n/t |
gkhouston |
May-23-08 07:37 PM |
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Yup. |
BlooInBloo |
May-23-08 07:40 PM |
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All these comments do is prove that we have lost focus just as much as the Hill44 folks have... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:45 PM |
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You're just not going to get anywhere comparing Obama supporters... |
BlooInBloo |
May-23-08 07:48 PM |
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I haven't seen Clinton supporters propose Obama gets shot.. |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:50 PM |
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Why?? she's been beating him down every chance she gets. With Wright, Ayers, etc..... |
BrentTaylor |
May-23-08 07:32 PM |
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Take one guess....Truly, this just ain't that hard folks!!! |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:40 PM |
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You know he will give her the benefit of the doubt and respond in a classy, gracious way. |
Pirate Smile |
May-23-08 07:35 PM |
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You're so very right. He will be gracious and she will be ungrateful. Things just dont change. |
quantass |
May-23-08 07:54 PM |
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"his" people have been exceeding gracious today |
Hamlette |
May-23-08 07:35 PM |
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why? |
ninja8590 |
May-23-08 07:35 PM |
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No, it would be the right thing to do. And the "why" is CRYSTAL clear... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:42 PM |
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Great Idea - i agree |
sloppyjoe25s |
May-23-08 07:43 PM |
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Not good enough for a recommendation though, ey? |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:47 PM |
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Many of your responses, sfam, are condescending in nature, as if no one can understand |
wanpete |
May-23-08 07:53 PM |
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Actually that is a good idea just like the BRILLIANT race speech he gave in Philli. |
quantass |
May-23-08 07:50 PM |
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Obama isn't responsible for cleaning up her mess. He's taken more high road than necessary already |
CakeGrrl |
May-23-08 07:54 PM |
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I care about Obama winning the GE, not Hillary taking responsibility...nt |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:56 PM |
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Obama doesn't NEED to make amends with Clinton supporters., He hasn't done anything except win. |
Spider Jerusalem |
May-23-08 07:55 PM |
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Obama needs to win the GE...to do that... |
sfam |
May-23-08 07:57 PM |
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Rescue her from herself? |
Spider Jerusalem |
May-23-08 07:58 PM |
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I must have missed |
gkhouston |
May-23-08 08:02 PM |
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That might be true if there was still a chance for her to continue...I don't see that... |
sfam |
May-23-08 08:04 PM |
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The question isn't what you see as "a chance" but what Hillary sees |
gkhouston |
May-23-08 08:15 PM |
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Hillary won't get to decide this. Her Supes and fundraisers will end this for her... |
sfam |
May-23-08 08:21 PM |
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brilliantly said houston...I'm very suspicous of the op's desire to harp on Obama "rescuing" her |
wanpete |
May-23-08 08:06 PM |
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That's right. I'm really a Clinton plant...as all my previous posts attest to... |
sfam |
May-23-08 08:09 PM |
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I think he Is putting her Campaign to bed |
Cnote1 |
May-23-08 07:58 PM |
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hopefully, without supper. n/t |
gkhouston |
May-23-08 08:03 PM |
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No Way, It is not his responsibility to rescue her. She will use it as a lever to continue. Once she |
Pisces |
May-23-08 07:59 PM |
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My disagreement with you on this is that I think she's already done... |
sfam |
May-23-08 08:01 PM |
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No. She wouldn't return the favor. In fact, she would probably find a way to backstab him on this. |
anonymous171 |
May-23-08 08:02 PM |
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agree totally! |
wanpete |
May-23-08 08:03 PM |
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Do you honestly think she can recover from this, whether Obama says anything or not? |
sfam |
May-23-08 08:07 PM |
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Of course she would. nt |
Kahuna |
May-23-08 08:23 PM |
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defend her character? - Obama should throw her under the GD. bus...! |
Imagevision |
May-23-08 08:08 PM |
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No.... |
pompano |
May-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Whether she meant it or not, or things similar to it, do you really think she can... |
sfam |
May-23-08 08:18 PM |
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I'm not sure I know... |
pompano |
May-23-08 08:50 PM |
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He will no doubt be asked about it |
Arkana |
May-23-08 08:16 PM |
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He will probably do that. Then 10 mins later she will do something else |
Kahuna |
May-23-08 08:22 PM |
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Her character should not be defended. She is disgusting. |
thewiseguy |
May-23-08 08:34 PM |
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As disgusting as the thought is to me, I grdgingly agree... |
mcctatas |
May-23-08 08:58 PM |
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This ain't Obama's burden |
Mystery2Me |
May-23-08 09:08 PM |
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Excellent point. |
Postman |
May-23-08 09:11 PM |
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*Obama's* chance? PFFT! It's *clinton supporter's* chance. |
BlooInBloo |
May-23-08 09:13 PM |
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No! It is not a "gaffe". She's not quitting, and that's one of her reasons. Period. |
iconicgnom |
May-23-08 09:21 PM |
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Do you know what 'amends' are? |
noel711 |
May-23-08 09:34 PM |
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