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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:18 AM
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If you can't accept Hillary on the ticket as VP you are just a big baby
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First, think about the miracle that is the Barack Obama's ascent to the top of the Democratic Party and be thankful for it. Second, consider that despite running a loathsome campaign (I'm sorry folks but Hillary's campaign purposefully exploited racial tension), Clinton deep down has a solidly progressive voting record on social and family welfare issues. She needs work on foreign policy as she was more often likely to side with Lieberman and Likud than the Democrats but hey, she won't be CIC, Obama will. Third, you have to respect her supporters and the millions of people (especially women)she represents.

I have to admit, by the commonly accepted definition I am a "Hillary Hater". I really don't hate her, but I do hate her brand of politics. Deep down, I think she is a good person corrupted by a bunch of dickheads (ex. Ickes, Wolfson), assholes (ex. Penn, Lanny Davis), and an over-rated ex-President who only won his first election because of a recession and a crackpot (Perot). So, despite all that, I will gladly accept Hillary on the ticket. If it makes a lot of women feel better about this race, then all the better.

I'm a white guy. I have no dog in the fight when it comes to racial or gender "identity" at this point, at least saliently. On a deep level, I "identify" with Barack for the simple fact my biological father abandoned me when I was a baby and I was raised by a single mom left to make my own way in the world. However, I keenly empathize with women and African Americans in their struggle for quality and recognition. Barack represents a lot to a lot of people. So does Hillary, even though a lot of us don't like her. We have to remember that we are all ultimately on the same team, the one that strives for equality, justice, peace, freedom, and shared prosperity. Jerkwaters like Mark Penn aren't on that team, but I think somewhere deep beneath the political layers of bullshit, Hillary is.

However, I won't listen to anyone who says Hillary lost because of misogyny or that Obama somehow played unfair. Obama basically outflanked and outmaneuvered Clinton to pull off one of the most amazing and intelligent campaigns that any of us have ever witnessed. Basically, his campaign was smarter. Axelrod and Plouffe defeated Penn and Wolfson. Yay! The good guys won. For once. Hillary was mostly a victim of bad advice and her own ambition. That doesn't make her evil. That she was willing to "go there" (meaning some of the lowest places we thought she'd never go) is both alarming and reassuring, this lady is not afraid of a fight.

Some of you will say "NO! She will activate the GOP Base!" Well guess what, any woman would. Any black on the ticket would. But we can't be afraid of that. I'd rather lose doing the right thing than win doing the wrong thing. Because if you win losing your principles then you have lost more than just the election. Chew on that.

I'd rather Obama not pick Clinton for VP. However, if he does I can live with that. I can donate to that. I can wear that bumper sticker on my car or plant that sign in my yard.

I personally think if you had Obama, Michelle, Richardson, Edwards, Hillary, Bill and Chelsea in all the corners of this country preaching the good word of hope, change, equality, peace, and shared prosperity we can't lose.

Well, at least that's how I feel today. Let's see what stunt they pull next ;)

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  -If you can't accept Hillary on the ticket as VP you are just a big baby Bread and Circus  May-23-08 09:18 AM   #0 
  - Name calling doesn't work. I would vote for the ticket out of  mmonk   May-23-08 09:19 AM   #1 
  - But necessity is the main reason. We need the  asjr   May-23-08 09:29 AM   #9 
  - By necessity, I mean no choice.  mmonk   May-23-08 09:33 AM   #14 
  - given her remarks about Obama being assassinated, I don't think  roguevalley   May-23-08 07:45 PM   #44 
  - Not really worthy of an answer.  BlueJac   May-23-08 09:23 AM   #2 
  - Agreed  Crisco   May-23-08 09:26 AM   #5 
     - Lost me at "loathsome" n/t  Straight Shooter   May-23-08 09:34 AM   #16 
        - I'm sorry, but it's true and it's well supported by the majority of commentary on the left.  Bread and Circus   May-23-08 09:37 AM   #19 
           - Feh  Crisco   May-23-08 09:44 AM   #25 
           - Dupe  Straight Shooter   May-23-08 10:03 AM   #29 
           - Obama '08, fueled by Hillary Hate.  Straight Shooter   May-23-08 10:03 AM   #30 
  - I can accept it, I only hope Bill can reign himself him and BOTH Clintons can stay on message  oviedodem   May-23-08 09:23 AM   #3 
  - I wonder how much Gore enjoyed being in the White house with Hillary. n/t  Zueda   May-23-08 09:25 AM   #4 
  - more than Obama would enjoy hill-bill.  antifaschits   May-23-08 09:29 AM   #11 
  - Can we send Bill on an 8 year holiday?  papapi   May-23-08 09:27 AM   #6 
  - Would anyone find her a credible in saying she is 100% behind Obama?  Sandi_4_Edwards   May-23-08 09:28 AM   #7 
  - I can "accept" her inasmuch as I would vote for the ticket. However, it would be a terrible idea.  Occam Bandage   May-23-08 09:28 AM   #8 
  - The ONLY reason she'd ever be added is a conviction her supporters are babies  jsmirman   May-24-08 08:24 AM   #50 
  - I basically agree with you. Your last sentence is especially salient.  KAZ   May-23-08 09:29 AM   #10 
  - Only if Obama hires a food taster  VolcanoJen   May-23-08 09:29 AM   #12 
  - "Paranoia strikes deep..."  highplainsdem   May-23-08 09:33 AM   #13 
     - there's a man with a gun over there,  antifaschits   May-23-08 10:50 AM   #32 
  - I don't want her as VP, but I will accept it if it happens.  OnionPatch   May-23-08 09:33 AM   #15 
  - Clinton's threat to go to Convention-put the GE at risk - demanding VP?  crankychatter   May-23-08 09:34 AM   #17 
  - I don't think it's going to be "just Clinton" demanding it. If it happens it's going to come from  Bread and Circus   May-23-08 09:38 AM   #20 
     - The War Profiteer owned MSM, Clinton News Network? that's your "concerned party?"  crankychatter   May-23-08 09:43 AM   #23 
     - her negatives are THROUGH the roof - n/t  crankychatter   May-23-08 09:44 AM   #26 
  - Or we could actually be smart about it!  Tinksrival   May-23-08 09:36 AM   #18 
  - Yea, like nominating a candidate that would actually win.  zlt234   May-24-08 08:42 AM   #51 
  - Let's get smart for once and do something that will help us win.  BobbyVan   May-23-08 09:39 AM   #21 
  - An Obama-Hillary ticket would be an unmitigated disaster  nichomachus   May-23-08 09:40 AM   #22 
  - I can see the Clintons stabbing him in the back while talking with the DLC at 3am  democracy1st   May-23-08 11:31 AM   #37 
  - 22. An Obama-Hillary ticket would be an unmitigated disaster  Butch350   May-24-08 09:18 AM   #59 
  - I'm with you, Bread! Obama/Clinton is fine.  Katzenkavalier   May-23-08 09:44 AM   #24 
  - When asked yesterday in Boca, Obama said he was a pragmatic man, and that he intended to win.  flpoljunkie   May-23-08 09:46 AM   #27 
  - It reads two ways  marions ghost   May-23-08 11:27 AM   #34 
  - Now HRC's supporters have truly crossed the line into "pathetic ploys"  ShortnFiery   May-23-08 09:48 AM   #28 
  - What do you mean "can't accept"? -- I STRONGLY oppose naming her, but ...  cloudythescribbler   May-23-08 10:21 AM   #31 
  - "can't accept" as in kicking, screaming, yelling, and holding breath  Bread and Circus   May-23-08 11:36 AM   #40 
     - Aha! well that clarifies EVERYTHING ....  cloudythescribbler   May-24-08 08:01 AM   #45 
     - I think this is a case of the reader has to define for themselves whether they would  Bread and Circus   May-24-08 08:15 AM   #48 
     - And banging pots and pans. n/t  JTFrog   May-24-08 08:57 AM   #55 
     - delete *dupe*. n/t  JTFrog   May-24-08 08:59 AM   #56 
  - There is nothing to be gained from putting Hillary up as Veep  IWantAnyDem   May-23-08 10:51 AM   #33 
  - don't know about sabotage -- but yes, nothing gained. Barbara Boxer, on the other hand ... nt  cloudythescribbler   May-24-08 08:54 AM   #54 
  - I'll accept whomever Obama chooses. I'll be happier with some  JenniferZ   May-23-08 11:29 AM   #35 
  - Obama promised to keep corrupt corporate influence OUT of the White House.  bvar22   May-23-08 11:30 AM   #36 
  - You can make compromise without compromising your principles.  Bread and Circus   May-23-08 11:35 AM   #39 
  - It's no more problematic for me than the JFK-LBJ ticket must've been for 1960 voters  bunkerbuster1   May-23-08 11:31 AM   #38 
  - I only want someone who is fit to run the country.  Milo_Bloom   May-23-08 11:37 AM   #41 
  - Hillary on this ticket is simply NOT acceptable.  newmajority   May-23-08 11:42 AM   #42 
  - Whatever Obama decides  FlaGranny   May-23-08 11:43 AM   #43 
  - I'm a baby then...  Doityourself   May-24-08 08:13 AM   #46 
  - :)  Bread and Circus   May-24-08 08:14 AM   #47 
  - Me too, where's my bottle?  PassingFair   May-24-08 08:17 AM   #49 
  - As long as Obama keeps her under house arrest and exiles Bill, I'm OK with it.  TexasObserver   May-24-08 08:44 AM   #52 
  - to say that she has been corrupted by those arond her again gives her a pass  burythehatchet   May-24-08 08:44 AM   #53 
  - If the Roles were Reversed...  Butch350   May-24-08 09:08 AM   #57 
  - Her voting record is solidly corporatist...  Orsino   May-24-08 09:16 AM   #58 
 

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