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Thu May-22-08 11:10 AM
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| 5. we will have an official presumptive nominee within 2 weeks. |
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She's not going to take it to the convention. Of course she says she will. She's trying to raise money. She's angry. She's disappointed. She feels it was unfair. But if she stays on after he's got "the number", her delegates will stream away from her.
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| -Its not about a fight at the Convention, its about not having a Nominee until the Convention |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:04 AM |
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Then both Obama and Clinton should drop out, so we can nominate a "generic Democrat" that could win |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:07 AM |
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We could nominate anyone |
spinbaby |
May-22-08 11:08 AM |
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Maybe a turnip, but probably not Obama or Clinton. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:10 AM |
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especially when there are 3 more months of hate spewed on both of them |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:10 AM |
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Gore/Edwards '08 |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:11 AM |
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ahhh, so piss off 90% of the dems instead of 50% of the dems? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:12 AM |
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More like 25%. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:13 AM |
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come on MNDemNY, think a little |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:16 AM |
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You'd rather ride the "High Horse" to defeat??? |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:19 AM |
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no, Id rather ride the candidate who won most of the primaries and delegates |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:22 AM |
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Running either Clinton or Obama, also has "ramifications":President McCain, or worse. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:23 AM |
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Good points. |
emilyg |
May-22-08 12:57 PM |
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how about we finish the primaries and go with the winner??? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:09 AM |
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No winner 'till the delegates vote. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:10 AM |
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why? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:11 AM |
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Delagates can and do change thier minds. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:12 AM |
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so because of the off chance that a few delegates change their minds |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:14 AM |
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If that's what it takes to get a nominee that can win, yes. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:14 AM |
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What if it takes until December? |
Bleachers7 |
May-22-08 11:17 AM |
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Convention over well before that. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:18 AM |
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how will 3 more months of infighting get us a candidate who can win? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:17 AM |
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If we run either, and or both of these folks, IMHO we lose. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:20 AM |
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your logic? heres mine... |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:23 AM |
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Goody, we have a lock on Oregon. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:24 AM |
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go look at that again AND wheres your reasons? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:24 AM |
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Well, gee, pack up the babies and grab the old ladies |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:29 AM |
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you going to answer the question?????????? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:30 AM |
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Neither Clinton or Obama can get enough votes to win the GE. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:32 AM |
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in case you havnt been paying attention, every Dem primary has had record turnout |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:35 AM |
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Democratic Primary voters are a pretty solid bloc for a Dem in the GE, |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:37 AM |
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Among whom Hillary has a 50% plus negative rating |
RainDog |
May-22-08 11:41 AM |
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I have never argued for a Clinton nomination, that as well, IMHO, is fatal. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:43 AM |
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and how does Gore attacked independents more than Obama or anyone else? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:43 AM |
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It's a ballroom blitz!!!!!!!!!!! |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:44 AM |
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df jkawue tioawuwghqei otu890 |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:51 AM |
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Hype, excitement, little time to falter...it's marketing. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:52 AM |
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wrong. Obama draws from Independents and highly-educated Republicans |
RainDog |
May-22-08 11:39 AM |
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You speak of "democratic" voters, on;ly about 25% of the GE voters. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:40 AM |
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even less are primary voters - BUT NOT THIS YEAR |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:42 AM |
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Go read the post. Obama draws highly-educated Republicans and Independents |
RainDog |
May-22-08 11:42 AM |
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Numbers there do not over-ride the, I hate the term, joe six-pack. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:46 AM |
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Gas prices do. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:53 PM |
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how do you know? what actual figures support your claim? you have none. |
RainDog |
May-22-08 12:57 PM |
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count them, take your shoes off if you have to. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 01:06 PM |
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in other words, you have NOTHING to support your claim. |
RainDog |
May-22-08 02:17 PM |
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Nothing that can contradict the kool-aid. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 02:41 PM |
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the only argument you have is insults. I have data from well-respected orgs. |
RainDog |
May-22-08 02:53 PM |
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Your well respected orgs just don't add up..even using hillary-math. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 02:57 PM |
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Neil? Is that you? |
newmajority |
May-22-08 12:56 PM |
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we will have an official presumptive nominee within 2 weeks. |
cali |
May-22-08 11:10 AM |
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Key word ...presumptive. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:17 AM |
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And I give Obama a 100% of being our nominee. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 11:19 AM |
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Hello President McCain.(or maybe bush) |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:21 AM |
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why? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:22 AM |
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Spoiled child syndrome |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 11:23 AM |
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Obama can't win, Clinton can't win, Obama/Clinton only 50-50 |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:25 AM |
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AGAIN why cant Obama win? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:27 AM |
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Because he will not get enough votes, basically. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:30 AM |
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for WHAT REASON? |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:31 AM |
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see post 38. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:33 AM |
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So sad to be delusional. There are meds that can help you. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 11:23 AM |
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Typical response from your ilk. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:27 AM |
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Back up your nonsense with facts, then. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 11:38 AM |
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Can't win the largest voting block out there: Middle-low income whites. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:48 AM |
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When gas is $4.50 in November ANY Dem will win 42 states. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:21 PM |
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We wish. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 12:23 PM |
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I have faith that when the voters see their standard of living decrease |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:26 PM |
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Blind faith........the edge of doom. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 12:28 PM |
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Not blind faith, just political reality. You should stop living in fear. It's unhealthy. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:37 PM |
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No one will win "big" |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 12:39 PM |
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Obama will. 42 states. Blowout of Reagan sized proportions. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:44 PM |
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It would be nice if only DUers voted, wouldn't it? |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 12:48 PM |
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Millions of Americans vote and mostly they vote with their wallet |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:52 PM |
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You mean like they did in 2004????Or 2000?...or 1980? |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 12:55 PM |
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IN APPALACHIA, elsewhere not a problem. nt |
Obama_for_our_future |
May-22-08 02:46 PM |
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You could give him a year's head start spouting the same old failed Bush policies |
Cronus Protagonist |
May-22-08 11:36 AM |
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yes but we have a large block of Dems who will not vote for our nominee |
LSK |
May-22-08 11:44 AM |
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Come the election, this will change |
Cronus Protagonist |
May-22-08 11:50 AM |
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Those poll numbers are largely suspect, IMHO. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 11:51 AM |
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They'll calm down. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:21 PM |
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Yes, the VAST majority of Dem. Primary voters will support the Nominee. |
MNDemNY |
May-22-08 12:24 PM |
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Those defectors will be overwhelmed by newly registered voters. |
SoonerPride |
May-22-08 12:27 PM |
#64 |
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