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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #45
77. all of the above are correct
Remember, Kerry told us previously that there was a "right way and a wrong way" to do this, which is to say, he didn't agree with the means, but had no problem with the ends.
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  -OK, dammit. Kerry, his comment today, and the IWR WilliamPitt  Aug-09-04 11:41 PM   #0 
  - The authority that Congress gave to bush  still_one   Aug-09-04 11:43 PM   #1 
  - "allowed ***HIM*** to go to war"  WilliamPitt   Aug-09-04 11:45 PM   #4 
  - The IWR resolution is pretty clear.  God_bush_n_cheney   Aug-10-04 12:04 AM   #22 
  - and Kerry STILL would have supported it  Snivi Yllom   Aug-10-04 08:22 AM   #75 
  - The Commander in Chief could have ordered the invasion anyway  Sparkly   Aug-10-04 09:20 AM   #82 
  - The IWR resolution is pretty clear.  God_bush_n_cheney   Aug-10-04 12:04 AM   #23 
  - Not Only That...  WillyT   Aug-10-04 12:07 AM   #27 
  - Shhhhh....  seventhson   Aug-09-04 11:46 PM   #5 
     - I am shocked to see this coming from you!  God_bush_n_cheney   Aug-09-04 11:57 PM   #16 
  - Okay!!!  seventhson   Aug-09-04 11:44 PM   #2 
  - You're wasting your time--people will read into that whatever they want  jpgray   Aug-09-04 11:45 PM   #3 
  - that myth needs to be exposed (the need for additional force)....  mike_c   Aug-09-04 11:49 PM   #6 
  - Vote for Bush, then  seventhson   Aug-09-04 11:51 PM   #7 
  - No way...  still_one   Aug-09-04 11:56 PM   #14 
  - My thoughts exactly  seventhson   Aug-10-04 12:00 AM   #19 
  - it seems that it's never time to speak the truth...  mike_c   Aug-10-04 12:16 AM   #34 
     - Right now it is not ambitions it is beating Bush  seventhson   Aug-10-04 12:40 AM   #41 
  - In the hands of a decent president, that resolution would have done good  jpgray   Aug-09-04 11:52 PM   #9 
  - he had already complied....  mike_c   Aug-09-04 11:54 PM   #12 
     - Scott Ritter, Hans Blix and other experts disagree with you  jpgray   Aug-09-04 11:58 PM   #18 
        - and you seem to still think those WMD's are somewhere...  mike_c   Aug-10-04 12:05 AM   #25 
           - Now you misstate my own beliefs  jpgray   Aug-10-04 12:10 AM   #30 
              - i've argued that there was no need for ADDITIONAL threats...  mike_c   Aug-10-04 12:19 AM   #36 
                 - It signified the US was ready and willing to go to war  jpgray   Aug-10-04 12:23 AM   #38 
                    - and he says that he would do it again today...  mike_c   Aug-10-04 12:34 AM   #39 
                    - Does he say that?  jpgray   Aug-10-04 12:38 AM   #40 
                       - See post #52 for my comment on that, too.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 01:54 AM   #54 
                    - Those missiles were NEVER a threat to the United States, though.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 01:52 AM   #53 
                       - That's true--they were on the edge of the imposed range limit  jpgray   Aug-10-04 01:56 AM   #55 
  - Just because he let them in  WilliamPitt   Aug-09-04 11:52 PM   #10 
  - so what if he fucked with them (and he didn't, so it's a moot...  mike_c   Aug-09-04 11:56 PM   #15 
     - Saddam didn't 'fuck with' the inspectors?  jpgray   Aug-10-04 12:01 AM   #20 
        - not after letting them back in under Blix....  mike_c   Aug-10-04 12:07 AM   #28 
        - Sure, but your argument is that the threat of force is unnecessary  jpgray   Aug-10-04 12:13 AM   #33 
           - how many times do I have to say this...?  mike_c   Aug-10-04 12:22 AM   #37 
        - Even if he'd HAD those weapons, we weren't right to invade!  Zhade   Aug-10-04 01:59 AM   #56 
           - I never supported any invasion  jpgray   Aug-10-04 02:07 AM   #58 
  - Thank god there are still people out there !  Egnever   Aug-09-04 11:57 PM   #17 
  - Didn't you read Will's post?  Oaf Of Office   Aug-10-04 12:04 AM   #24 
  - "WHY a threat of force was needed to get Saddam to comply..."  mike_c   Aug-10-04 12:11 AM   #31 
     - Hypothetically, if we all knew then what we know now  Tom Rinaldo   Aug-10-04 09:12 AM   #81 
        - Exactly Right - Sadam History With Inspections  DrFunkenstein   Aug-10-04 09:23 AM   #83 
  - But you forget that Jordan and other nations in the region  merh   Aug-10-04 12:11 AM   #32 
  - HUSSEIN DID NOT THROW THEM OUT.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 02:04 AM   #57 
  - General Tommy Franks details in his book  merh   Aug-10-04 09:03 AM   #80 
     - Uh, Franks is hardly an unbiased source, you know.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 05:13 PM   #91 
        - See, that's the point - when you are in congress you trust  merh   Aug-10-04 06:28 PM   #96 
  - sadaam did not throw them out  GreenArrow   Aug-10-04 08:28 AM   #76 
  - right on!  goodhue   Aug-10-04 05:49 PM   #93 
  - It's a strange comment.  UdoKier   Aug-09-04 11:51 PM   #8 
  - Exactly. This is what makes Kerry's remarks so disgusting.  amBushed   Aug-10-04 12:02 AM   #21 
  - indeed  goodhue   Aug-10-04 05:51 PM   #94 
  - um why would he vote to use force if there were no wmd?  Egnever   Aug-09-04 11:53 PM   #11 
  - it doesn't really matter  JI7   Aug-09-04 11:55 PM   #13 
  - Then why did 23 senators vote against it?  bandera   Aug-10-04 12:07 AM   #26 
  - Here's the deal  jpgray   Aug-10-04 12:19 AM   #35 
     - Here's the real deal.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 02:11 AM   #60 
        - Well, our weird fixation on Iraq is a whole other ball of wax  jpgray   Aug-10-04 02:17 AM   #62 
           - No, I agree - but why didn't Kerry know it was BS?  Zhade   Aug-10-04 02:24 AM   #64 
              - I can only assume he knew, but his motivation is a mystery  jpgray   Aug-10-04 02:26 AM   #65 
                 - I hope it's just a mistake, but even if it is, it's a bad fumble.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 02:29 AM   #67 
                 - I have my theory too.  Old and In the Way   Aug-10-04 03:22 AM   #68 
                    - Well, to be fair, LIHOP has far more evidence than your theory.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 05:17 PM   #92 
  - First political misstep in quite a while  George_Bonanza   Aug-10-04 12:08 AM   #29 
  - Why didn't Kerry support Biden-Lugar?  wtmusic   Aug-10-04 12:46 AM   #42 
  - Kerry did support Biden Lugar  jpgray   Aug-10-04 12:57 AM   #44 
  - And I'm not sure about this claim you make:  jpgray   Aug-10-04 01:00 AM   #46 
  - Possible that Bush would have invaded anyway  wtmusic   Aug-10-04 01:10 AM   #47 
     - Right--it's very difficult to guess  jpgray   Aug-10-04 01:12 AM   #48 
     - "Should have been a red flag." DING DING DING!  Zhade   Aug-10-04 02:22 AM   #63 
  - Oh, there was no difference between IWR and B-L!  Zhade   Aug-10-04 02:16 AM   #61 
     - There was NO significant difference that would have stopped Bush from war.  blm   Aug-10-04 09:26 AM   #84 
  - So basically the difference between Kerry and Bush...  Hippo_Tron   Aug-10-04 12:54 AM   #43 
  - Please help me.....I must be slow or something....  Leilani   Aug-10-04 12:57 AM   #45 
  - Dumb political mistake, goes against everything Kerry has said previously  George_Bonanza   Aug-10-04 01:18 AM   #49 
  - Thank you, I agree.  Leilani   Aug-10-04 01:26 AM   #50 
     - 23 members of the Senate, including Kerry's collegue...  mike_c   Aug-10-04 01:35 AM   #51 
        - That's twenty-three  jpgray   Aug-10-04 02:08 AM   #59 
        - wrong  darboy   Aug-10-04 08:18 AM   #74 
           - I'm sick of doing the research for others--read his speech  jpgray   Aug-10-04 02:25 PM   #89 
              - is the statement I cited invalid in some way?  darboy   Aug-11-04 08:56 AM   #103 
                 - Well, perhaps you can explain it to me  jpgray   Aug-12-04 02:32 AM   #109 
        - I can understand an honest disagreement before the war  Leilani   Aug-10-04 02:29 AM   #66 
  - all of the above are correct  GreenArrow   Aug-10-04 08:39 AM   #77 
  - It's not only an infuriating statement (spin aside), it's weird.  Zhade   Aug-10-04 01:39 AM   #52 
  - Right On,Will! Seems We have Our Very Own Shiite Wing at DU!  GalleryGod   Aug-10-04 03:38 AM   #69 
  - That is for sure...  wyldwolf   Aug-10-04 04:51 AM   #70 
  - Every time you have to explain what your candidate meant to say...  IndianaGreen   Aug-10-04 06:39 AM   #71 
  - Too bad  Snoggera   Aug-10-04 07:46 AM   #73 
  - Some Are Incapable, Others Unwilling To Understand Kerry's Position  DrFunkenstein   Aug-10-04 08:49 AM   #79 
  - 'explaining what he meant to say'  Myrina   Aug-10-04 02:35 PM   #90 
  - If you don't want spinmeisters,  56kid   Aug-10-04 09:32 AM   #86 
  - Thanks Will, Exactly Right  Justice   Aug-10-04 07:18 AM   #72 
  - "Mission Accomplished!" Bush did this to rile up anti-war vote vs. Kerry!  flpoljunkie   Aug-10-04 08:42 AM   #78 
  - Kerry needs to master the Bush art  qcsoapbox   Aug-10-04 09:31 AM   #85 
  - I think knowing what we know now  WI_DEM   Aug-10-04 09:45 AM   #87 
  - "worse than watergate" clarifies Pitt's point greatly, in chapter 8  gasperc   Aug-10-04 10:01 AM   #88 
  - It was Congress's responsibility, but Bush knew no one would call him  KoKo01   Aug-11-04 10:18 AM   #108 
  - RIGHT! The media and Bush will spin this if we let them. I swear  mzmolly   Aug-10-04 05:53 PM   #95 
  - Since when was the resolution necessary to threaten force?  eridani   Aug-10-04 11:13 PM   #97 
  - A good analogy of this that most Americans who  spenbax   Aug-10-04 11:21 PM   #98 
  - Dennis Kucinich voted against the war resolution  IndianaGreen   Aug-11-04 06:32 AM   #101 
  - IMO, we should have put Saddam on the back burner until  Sugarbleus   Aug-10-04 11:41 PM   #99 
  - *sigh*  RFK2   Aug-11-04 01:39 AM   #100 
  - Kerry in his own words  allemand   Aug-11-04 08:35 AM   #102 
  - kick!  wicket   Aug-11-04 08:57 AM   #104 
  - Good points Will  DaveSZ   Aug-11-04 09:05 AM   #105 
  - thanks, Will!  meti57b   Aug-11-04 09:16 AM   #106 
  - You're absolutely right, Will  Jack Rabbit   Aug-11-04 09:25 AM   #107 
 

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