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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:48 PM
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27. Many differences and subtlties
"Being racist" seems pretty cut and dried to me, an implies that a person holds particular views. Although I think there are many degrees.
Whether it is outright KKK hate, to the other end of the spectrum laughing at the jokes, being willing to endorse stereotypes, etc.

"Using racism" is very vague, and I think can be defined in any number of ways.

I think that the Clinton campaign has "exploited racism."
I think they have used propaganda and language to tap into racist views they know exist.
They have done this knowingly and with an agenda.

People were invited to express racism at the ballot box.

This to me reveals something about Hillary Clinton's values, but I am reluctant to say whether it is a very sick form of opportunism indirectly targeted or more direct racism.
Bill Clinton on the other hand, has been willing to directly target African Americans.

If one were to give him the benefit of the doubt there are two reason why he might behave that way other than some underlying racist views surfacing.
1. He may think that he owes Hillary and that compromising his values is a small price.
2. He was brainstorming about what would be possible ways to win. He thought of the most evil Karl Rove thing a person could do and had no intentions of doing it. But, under the hypothesis of some (that his heart surgery is affecting his behavior) he accidentally said them).

I have tried hard.
My "benefit of the doubt" possibilities seem remote to me.
Other people may find them plausible.
Jim crowbar is a good word.
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  -There is a difference between being racist, and using racism. TLM  May-17-08 02:03 PM   #0 
  - Exploiting racism is worse than being a racist, IMO. nt  thecatburgler   May-17-08 02:04 PM   #1 
  - Yes it is much worse  ekwhite   May-17-08 03:36 PM   #24 
  - The same is true about being a homophobe vs. using homophobia  QC   May-17-08 02:06 PM   #2 
  - Exactly.... i agree. At least with a real bigot you know where they stand.  TLM   May-17-08 02:34 PM   #6 
     - So that leaves us with two candidates willing to cater to bigots  QC   May-17-08 03:31 PM   #17 
        - Yeah McCain and Hillary....  TLM   May-17-08 03:35 PM   #23 
           - Well, if we are going to include McCain, then we have three candidates  QC   May-17-08 04:33 PM   #31 
  - Race-baiting by a Democrat against another Democrat is unprecedented.  AtomicKitten   May-17-08 02:07 PM   #3 
  - Not really.... using racism has been around a long time...  TLM   May-17-08 02:38 PM   #7 
  - It really isn't, if you go back a bit to people like Wallace  sfexpat2000   May-17-08 03:33 PM   #21 
  - I disagree  IWantAnyDem   May-17-08 02:08 PM   #4 
  - That's like saying anybody who uses a gun is a soldier...  TLM   May-17-08 02:54 PM   #9 
     - Poor analogy  IWantAnyDem   May-17-08 03:31 PM   #19 
        - Nope... one just need to know those tendancies exist....  TLM   May-17-08 03:45 PM   #26 
           - IF one had no racist tendencies whatsoever  IWantAnyDem   May-17-08 05:18 PM   #32 
  - I don't make distinctions when making political decisions.  mmonk   May-17-08 02:19 PM   #5 
  - Isn't a decision, be definition, a distinction?  TLM   May-17-08 02:55 PM   #10 
  - Jim Crowbar - that's good.  NCevilDUer   May-17-08 02:43 PM   #8 
  - Thanks.... i thought it was pretty clever....  TLM   May-17-08 02:56 PM   #12 
  - Racist is as racist does, as far as I'm concerned.  BlooInBloo   May-17-08 02:55 PM   #11 
  - And there's a difference between actually using racism  DemGa   May-17-08 02:57 PM   #13 
  - You mean like trying to attack someone by associating them with their scary black pastor?  TLM   May-17-08 03:30 PM   #16 
  - Don't you think that racists "use racism?"  dchill   May-17-08 03:01 PM   #14 
  - so then her supporters are the racists, since they are susceptible to her 'race-baiting.' is that  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 03:16 PM   #15 
  - When you feel like addressing what I actualy wrote....  TLM   May-17-08 03:33 PM   #22 
  - i did; you claim hillary is 'using' race. using it on who is the question. her 'racist' supporters i  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 03:57 PM   #29 
  - Racists fear????  Beacool   May-17-08 03:31 PM   #18 
  - Sure it is racial that 9 out of 10 AA votes go to Obama....  TLM   May-17-08 03:56 PM   #28 
     - You started this post, not me.  Beacool   May-17-08 04:05 PM   #30 
  - I don't care what she personally is -- that's her problem.  sfexpat2000   May-17-08 03:32 PM   #20 
  - It doesn't feel that way.  algol   May-17-08 03:37 PM   #25 
  - Many differences and subtlties  loyalsister   May-17-08 03:48 PM   #27 
  - ## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-17-08 05:18 PM   #33 

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