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Fri May-16-08 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #50 |
| 56. 'Constitutional obsessors'? |
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So you're against the founding document of our nation? You like it when Bush reserves the right to suspend Habeas Corpus in times of 'national emergencies', as he might define them? You like the 'no-fly' list they're using to target leftists who speak out against the administration?
And by the way, here is the exact phrase from the constitution:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Take a look at the phrase 'not delegated to the United States by the Constitution'. See, the right to keep and bear arms is delegated in such a way, via the second amendment. My argument stands.
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| -Obama in SD: "I believe in the second amendment" |
Bleachers7 |
May-16-08 12:20 PM |
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Glad you made that clear! And Americans really love your guns! |
quantass |
May-16-08 12:22 PM |
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Not obsessed. It is just one of those pesky things mentioned in our "Bill of Rights." |
prodn2000 |
May-16-08 12:25 PM |
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I need some aspirin. Apparently you and I are agreeing on stuff again... |
cliffordu |
May-16-08 05:51 PM |
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Um... isn't Canadian gun ownership isn't exactly paltry either. |
msallied |
May-16-08 12:41 PM |
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I think guns should be banned in America |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 02:21 PM |
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Working hard to unify the Democatic Party, are we? |
krispos42 |
May-16-08 02:26 PM |
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I know the party has a significant percentage of gun owners |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 02:34 PM |
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Yeah, except that people get really angry about this |
krispos42 |
May-17-08 04:42 PM |
#113 |
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As much as I hate to admit it |
weezy2736 |
May-16-08 02:35 PM |
#17 |
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Person to whom you're referring is assuredly NOT a Hillary supporter. |
Straight Shooter |
May-16-08 05:04 PM |
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I probably shouldn't have said it. |
krispos42 |
May-17-08 04:48 PM |
#114 |
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I'm a gun owner, myself.* |
Straight Shooter |
May-17-08 06:19 PM |
#119 |
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a question |
Two Americas |
May-16-08 05:49 PM |
#26 |
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"rock solid old school New Deal Dems, not the pale imitations we find in suburban liberals" Exactly. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-16-08 09:41 PM |
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You also have no clue what you're talking about. |
olkaz |
May-16-08 06:01 PM |
#31 |
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Nice. The only thing sillier than your obsession with |
cliffordu |
May-16-08 06:01 PM |
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Put down a crippled horse? |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 08:48 PM |
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I suppose there is. |
cliffordu |
May-16-08 08:58 PM |
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I don't think you know |
Mojorabbit |
May-16-08 06:05 PM |
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Ya? Well there are also loads of gun murders every year |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 08:59 PM |
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40,000 people die in auto accidents every year, but you aren't |
cliffordu |
May-16-08 09:00 PM |
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Cars are a necessity |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 09:04 PM |
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Move to Germany. |
cliffordu |
May-16-08 09:08 PM |
#91 |
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No |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 09:12 PM |
#92 |
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I like your spunk. |
cliffordu |
May-16-08 09:17 PM |
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"Good luck with banning guns" |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 09:27 PM |
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cars are not a necessity |
hendo |
May-16-08 09:28 PM |
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Until we have enough public transportation they are a necessity |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 09:33 PM |
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if people relied upon public transportation, there would be more of it. |
hendo |
May-16-08 10:16 PM |
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I'd love to rely on public transportation. |
DangerousRhythm |
May-17-08 05:12 PM |
#118 |
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walk like they |
Mojorabbit |
May-17-08 11:05 AM |
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The numbers... |
beevul |
May-17-08 12:00 PM |
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Okay, lets discuss this. |
krispos42 |
May-17-08 04:54 PM |
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Lamest comment I've read all day |
D-Sooner |
May-16-08 06:10 PM |
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I think pistols and automatic weapons should be banned. but there is a real case for rifles and shot |
IsItJustMe |
May-16-08 06:53 PM |
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LOL I suppose that's why people own SUV's also. |
ileus |
May-16-08 07:26 PM |
#60 |
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I didn't realize that you could OD on Cali_flower |
thunderdog |
May-16-08 07:27 PM |
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Ugh. It's viewpoints like this one that scare me about the Democratic Party. |
msallied |
May-16-08 07:28 PM |
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Excellent point |
cliffordu |
May-16-08 07:29 PM |
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Likewise. I own a firearm and am without penis. |
msallied |
May-16-08 07:32 PM |
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I don't love tyranny, I love my fellow Americans |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 08:46 PM |
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The problem is |
hendo |
May-16-08 09:34 PM |
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How come other industrialized 1st world countries don't have that problem when they banned guns? |
Cali_Democrat |
May-16-08 09:37 PM |
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that is a common misconception |
hendo |
May-16-08 10:39 PM |
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Lots of good reasons |
krispos42 |
May-17-08 05:03 PM |
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What I hate is tyranny. A principled pacifist would not use govt threat of arms to de-arm citizenry |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-16-08 09:57 PM |
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so where is the link that proves that rual males have a small penis |
Mags |
May-16-08 07:28 PM |
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Yeah, they know where it comes from ... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 07:46 PM |
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and prior to that it magically appears in bottles, seemingly out of nowhere... |
hendo |
May-16-08 10:42 PM |
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sexist much? |
mkultra |
May-16-08 08:33 PM |
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I respectfully disagree. |
Barrymores Ghost |
May-16-08 09:23 PM |
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That's just stupid and culturally insensitive. |
Bread and Circus |
May-16-08 10:03 PM |
#104 |
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Me too. |
anonymous171 |
May-16-08 12:23 PM |
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I like all of my constitutional rights, including the 2nd Amendment's.... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-16-08 05:56 PM |
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There aren't many of them left; however, the 2nd does provide the option |
thunderdog |
May-16-08 07:30 PM |
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I wish he had said he believed in the others as well, including those |
Benhurst |
May-16-08 12:23 PM |
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Yes, but that is not the issue |
krispos42 |
May-16-08 12:26 PM |
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Congress won't do anything |
ButterflyBlood |
May-16-08 12:34 PM |
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But Congress will try to do something |
krispos42 |
May-16-08 02:16 PM |
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And how far has that bill gotten? |
ButterflyBlood |
May-16-08 11:07 PM |
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Doesn't matter. |
krispos42 |
May-17-08 05:06 PM |
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You're Right, it can be argued |
NeedleCast |
May-16-08 12:36 PM |
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Many people don't believe that |
krispos42 |
May-16-08 02:24 PM |
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He addressed those points, right before making the comment quoted |
yodermon |
May-16-08 12:37 PM |
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This is actually sort of an important issue to me, so I'm glad he's addressing it. |
msallied |
May-16-08 12:43 PM |
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Republicans have been getting away with the false hyperbole for a long time |
CakeGrrl |
May-16-08 02:27 PM |
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The problem is that it hasn't always been a false hyperbole |
hendo |
May-16-08 09:42 PM |
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Then let him prove it |
derby378 |
May-16-08 05:00 PM |
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But does that mean he will take away your guns? |
anonymous171 |
May-16-08 05:05 PM |
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Depends on the gun, I guess... |
derby378 |
May-16-08 05:11 PM |
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Why do you need a semi-auto? Is your aim that bad? |
johnaries |
May-16-08 06:18 PM |
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There goes wedge issue number 1. |
anonymous171 |
May-16-08 05:02 PM |
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Not so fast - see post #18 |
derby378 |
May-16-08 05:04 PM |
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"I will never take away your right to bear arms." - I had no idea Obama was that powerful |
DemGa |
May-16-08 05:07 PM |
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You know how the repugs do it: "MY OPPONENT WANTS TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY!" |
anonymous171 |
May-16-08 05:08 PM |
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He'd never be able to do THAT even if he wanted to. |
Carrieyazel |
May-16-08 06:37 PM |
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Now if ***SOMEONE**** could only figure out what the hell |
RichardRay |
May-16-08 05:54 PM |
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Its really not that difficult. |
beevul |
May-17-08 12:35 PM |
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Well, he's not above lying it seems .... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 05:59 PM |
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Bullshit it's dishonest |
Indenturedebtor |
May-16-08 06:13 PM |
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What? |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 06:18 PM |
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So's the duty to serve in the militia |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 07:22 PM |
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Depends on which militia, I guess ... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 07:32 PM |
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The 2nd amendment says a 'well regulated militia'. Your own bedroom doesn't count as HQ. |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 07:44 PM |
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Hey, we got a little group in the neighborhood, and we're ... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 08:00 PM |
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The point is, why isn't Obama being up front on this? |
Carrieyazel |
May-16-08 06:27 PM |
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Let me tell you, guns are the Gay Marriage of 2008.... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 06:36 PM |
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Yes, the national Dem gun control plank is such a loser, it needs to be junked. |
Carrieyazel |
May-16-08 06:47 PM |
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Like the NRA is any bastion of sincerity |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 07:24 PM |
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No. he's a convicted felon ... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 07:26 PM |
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Sorry, don't see anything in the 2nd amendment about that. |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 07:45 PM |
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No, our code of law stipulates that you forfeit some rights ... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 08:03 PM |
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And that code is subject to constitutional challenge. |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 08:28 PM |
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No it's not. When you are talking about the Midwest especially, everyBODY hunts or helps clean-up |
ShortnFiery |
May-16-08 06:18 PM |
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The constitution makes no distinction between 'rural' and 'city'... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 06:21 PM |
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I thought constitutional obsessors LIKED "states rights" |
anonymous171 |
May-16-08 06:48 PM |
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'Constitutional obsessors'? |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 07:21 PM |
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So, do tell us who your ideal Democratic candidate is from a 2nd amendment standpoint |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 07:25 PM |
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Well, Clinton hasn't lied about where she stands ... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 07:29 PM |
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Oh bullshit...the NRA has been whining about the AWB since it was passed |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 07:49 PM |
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I'm not a member of the NRA. |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 08:02 PM |
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And I'm not hostile to guns |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 08:25 PM |
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What up Rush? |
IsItJustMe |
May-16-08 07:02 PM |
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Wrong way of thinking, really ... |
avenger64 |
May-16-08 07:14 PM |
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## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
May-16-08 06:01 PM |
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Grovelbot is acting in a peculiar fashion |
Skittles |
May-16-08 08:32 PM |
#82 |
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They'll hit him on his voting record and his once-held stance on banning handguns |
Carrieyazel |
May-16-08 06:06 PM |
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It looks like he doesn't have a Yes or No... |
stillcool47 |
May-16-08 07:33 PM |
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Excellent! My Brother in Sioux Falls should invite Obama out for Pheasant Season. |
ShortnFiery |
May-16-08 06:09 PM |
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Just as long Dickhead doesn't come along. |
Swamp Rat |
May-16-08 06:31 PM |
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I grew up with guns and hunting |
Undercurrent |
May-16-08 06:32 PM |
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If he believes in it he should stop violating it N/T |
Traction311 |
May-16-08 06:41 PM |
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How do you 'believe' in an amendment? |
publicatlarge |
May-16-08 07:00 PM |
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He 'believes' in the right to bear arms... |
stillcool47 |
May-16-08 07:18 PM |
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Count me in as another... |
ElkHunter |
May-16-08 07:45 PM |
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And In Return, He Gets An Assassination "Joke" From The NRA |
Paladin |
May-16-08 07:52 PM |
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And to the folk who say Obama's a gun-grabber... |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 08:40 PM |
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As a liberal religious pacifist, I believe gun culture is a problem. Gun ownership is not. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-16-08 09:46 PM |
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Whoopdedo. Wow, he believes in the Bill of Rights. |
barb162 |
May-16-08 11:03 PM |
#108 |
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