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| 154. tell you what, why don't we just do away with secret ballots? nt |
| -Primaries vs Caucuses - The evidence shows Caucuses are bull |
sunonmars |
May-16-08 06:00 AM |
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funny how them caucuses work out, huh? |
goldcanyonaz |
May-16-08 06:02 AM |
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YOU WERE ALL THE CALL TODAY AND ARE FOLLOWING THE SCRIPT>>>>>> |
NormaR |
May-16-08 09:29 PM |
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.... |
mcctatas |
May-16-08 10:47 PM |
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wow, you are really going nuts on this meme... first you lie in another thread about what the call |
Texas Hill Country |
May-17-08 03:36 AM |
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Don't confuse an Obama supporter with the truth |
unlawflcombatnt |
May-17-08 07:00 PM |
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May-16-08 11:30 PM |
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Funny that no one had a problem with Bill Clinton |
davidpdx |
May-16-08 06:05 AM |
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May-16-08 06:06 AM |
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Wow...and your proof is where? |
davidpdx |
May-16-08 07:33 PM |
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OMG - how dare actually COMPETE in those silly little contests! |
anigbrowl |
May-16-08 09:34 PM |
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Bullshit! What NO ONE EXPECTED was |
Blue_Roses |
May-16-08 09:36 PM |
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LMFAO.... |
walldude |
May-16-08 09:45 PM |
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why is the vote tied? |
goldcanyonaz |
May-16-08 06:07 AM |
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Tied... |
davidpdx |
May-16-08 07:34 PM |
#23 |
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Detergent |
TahitiNut |
May-16-08 07:36 PM |
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And if it were winner take all |
WonderGrunion |
May-16-08 06:07 AM |
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Much as I love the direct democracy of caucuses, they are less democratic |
cali |
May-16-08 06:08 AM |
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I agree, we should accept that there are caucuses in this primary and move on but |
musicblind |
May-16-08 08:30 PM |
#51 |
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That's crap. Participation is light years more democratic than passively consuming soundbites |
eridani |
May-16-08 08:34 PM |
#53 |
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thank you |
swampg8r |
May-17-08 12:12 AM |
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I don't like caucuses either... |
Youphemism |
May-16-08 06:13 AM |
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"We see more evidence that Obama built up his delegate lead by gaming the caucuses." |
Perry Logan |
May-16-08 06:15 AM |
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Meaning that having a solid organization capable of mobilizing supporters is cheating |
eridani |
May-17-08 01:45 AM |
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Are you actually trying to compare non-binding primaries with caucuses? |
dansolo |
May-16-08 06:15 AM |
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Of course, the OP is. After all, the goal here is to claim the ultimate non-binding |
jsmirman |
May-16-08 07:43 PM |
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except that the "non binding primaries" generated more interest |
paulk |
May-16-08 09:38 PM |
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considerably more interest. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 03:57 AM |
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wouldn't they 'generate less interest' equally among all candidates? so why are the results (percent |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 03:56 AM |
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"bull" only because your candidate LOST |
ima_sinnic |
May-16-08 06:15 AM |
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No, they're flawed because they don't reflect the views of the voters. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-16-08 10:45 PM |
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so I guess you'll be actively working to change it for next time |
ima_sinnic |
May-17-08 03:50 AM |
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Yes, and I didn't realize the magnitude of the problem prior to this |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-17-08 09:43 AM |
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I want to disenfranchise Repub voters in Dem caucuses or primaries n/t |
eridani |
May-17-08 04:15 AM |
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Like this guy? |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-17-08 09:45 AM |
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There is no such thing as registration by party in WA state |
eridani |
May-17-08 05:23 PM |
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There is no such thing as registration by party in WA state |
eridani |
May-17-08 05:25 PM |
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I voted in the WA primary. I had to choose the (R) ballot, the (I) ballot or the (D) one. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-17-08 06:29 PM |
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You just cannot be a Republican (or a Democrat) by registration in WA state, period |
eridani |
May-18-08 04:15 AM |
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K&R!! |
indimuse |
May-16-08 06:24 AM |
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what they said |
goldcanyonaz |
May-16-08 06:27 AM |
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Does this make you feel better to post this, does this adjust your attitude and self worth |
Boz |
May-16-08 06:32 AM |
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May-16-08 09:40 PM |
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BITCH! BRAV-F*CKING-O! Caucus-Gate!! |
JTFrog |
May-16-08 06:37 AM |
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Ummm... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
May-16-08 06:37 AM |
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Last I knew the Washington & Nebraska primaries were worth zero delegates |
high density |
May-16-08 06:42 AM |
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You have any fucking evidence? |
Elrond Hubbard |
May-16-08 06:43 AM |
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so you take 3 states with binding caucuses |
CreekDog |
May-16-08 06:49 AM |
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Ok, you handled that quite well. See below where I punk Op Mindcrime brutally. |
jsmirman |
May-16-08 07:45 PM |
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Although it's two states. Texas is not a non-binding primary, right? |
jsmirman |
May-16-08 07:47 PM |
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The OP referred to 3 states (TX, NE, WA) as evidence "caucuses are crap" |
CreekDog |
May-16-08 08:17 PM |
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Yeah, but all I was saying is that there isn't a non-binding Texas replacement |
jsmirman |
May-17-08 03:23 AM |
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whatever; and nobody is saying caucuses shouldn't count (this time), but they should be eliminated. |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 03:59 AM |
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How come caucuses haven't been a problem before? |
mmonk |
May-16-08 06:50 AM |
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Primaries are bull - they don't match the caucus results |
GoesTo11 |
May-16-08 06:51 AM |
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So you were ALSO on today's call and Sen. Clinton told you what to say. |
NormaR |
May-16-08 10:31 PM |
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So caucuses stink today |
charlie |
May-16-08 06:55 AM |
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sorry Obama played by the rules, and knew what the game was all about. |
slinkerwink |
May-16-08 07:37 PM |
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and who cares if we lose the GE. great. |
VotesForWomen |
May-16-08 08:08 PM |
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Debbie Downer, Rachel Dratch called, she wants her recurring character back |
rosebud57 |
May-16-08 08:59 PM |
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Are you saying that all or most hillary supporters are going to vote |
movonne |
May-16-08 10:22 PM |
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in a close race (which the battleground states usually are) it could make a difference. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 04:01 AM |
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Um isn't this a state's rights issue? |
Lucky 13 |
May-16-08 07:40 PM |
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Here's the deal with the Washington state Democratic primary: It is completely USELESS. |
newmajority |
May-16-08 07:41 PM |
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Nothing is more annoying than a substance argument masquerading as a process argument. |
latinolatteliberal |
May-16-08 07:46 PM |
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It sounds like you, too, would enjoy my post where I take a chainsaw to Op MindCrime |
jsmirman |
May-16-08 07:50 PM |
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You have quite a high opinion of yourself. n/t |
zlt234 |
May-16-08 08:14 PM |
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Maybe you should have brought this up before Hillary started losing them. |
PM7nj |
May-16-08 07:49 PM |
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## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
May-16-08 07:49 PM |
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You can run, but you cannot hide Evil GrovelBot! |
Swamp Rat |
May-16-08 11:19 PM |
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I'll take transparent representation by citizens over electronic voting any day!! |
MarjorieG |
May-16-08 07:51 PM |
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Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Most Hillary supporters |
ecdab |
May-16-08 07:55 PM |
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Thanks for the informative post. The truth be told! |
kikiek |
May-16-08 07:55 PM |
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Yeah truth be told if the rules were different Hillary might be winning |
walldude |
May-16-08 09:41 PM |
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And if Obama gets it the weaker candidate will be in the GE and a sure loser. |
kikiek |
May-16-08 09:49 PM |
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And what makes you think hillary is not the weaker candidate..her |
movonne |
May-16-08 10:29 PM |
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In your opinion.. |
walldude |
May-16-08 11:17 PM |
#115 |
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Washington voters skipped the primary because they didn't count, and we had already voted. |
Diane R |
May-16-08 08:06 PM |
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the scary thing is that this is where a lot of O's winning margin has come from; that and red states |
VotesForWomen |
May-16-08 08:06 PM |
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And WV and KY aren't red states? |
anonymous171 |
May-16-08 08:08 PM |
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certainly they are, and i wouldn't use Clinton's victories there to make the case for her. her vict |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 04:04 AM |
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in summary |
mkultra |
May-16-08 08:07 PM |
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Caucuses would be fine with you guys if she had done |
Erin Elizabeth |
May-16-08 08:08 PM |
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Not true - but I will agree that I'd like to see Texas change their |
TBF |
May-16-08 08:11 PM |
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Exactly! |
Malidictus Maximus |
May-17-08 03:37 AM |
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Let's assume for the moment you're correct |
JeffR |
May-16-08 08:13 PM |
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I agree with you that the Caucuses have been said and done and were agreed to and we should not try |
musicblind |
May-16-08 08:37 PM |
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You make very good sense here. Points well taken.. |
JeffR |
May-16-08 09:52 PM |
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very good response, thank you |
musicblind |
May-17-08 12:08 AM |
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Very good point |
JeffR |
May-17-08 12:07 PM |
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Close the barn door! |
Mooney |
May-16-08 08:15 PM |
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Looking at the posters here |
Condem |
May-16-08 08:15 PM |
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EF. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
May-16-08 08:21 PM |
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A point to ponder... |
hayu_lol |
May-16-08 08:36 PM |
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Another point to ponder, hayu |
Condem |
May-16-08 08:38 PM |
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I live in a caucus state. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
May-16-08 08:59 PM |
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Thank you, Rummy |
Condem |
May-16-08 09:03 PM |
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It goes without saying that it should be a paid day off, too. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
May-16-08 09:22 PM |
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Agreed. |
Condem |
May-16-08 09:23 PM |
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Primaries are passive bullshit contests that encourage passive citizenship |
eridani |
May-16-08 08:32 PM |
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The fuckin nail, eridani. Well put. |
Condem |
May-16-08 08:35 PM |
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tell you what, why don't we just do away with secret ballots? nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 04:05 AM |
#154 |
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The primary process is about campaigning for a preferred candidiate |
eridani |
May-17-08 06:11 AM |
#162 |
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Want to know how Clinton handled the WA state caucuses? |
eridani |
May-16-08 08:40 PM |
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Want to know how she handled the Iowa caucuses? |
Condem |
May-16-08 08:51 PM |
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caucuses don't reflect how the general public votes |
HuffleClaw |
May-16-08 08:56 PM |
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No voting machines, either. Head on over to MYDD, Huffle. |
Condem |
May-16-08 08:58 PM |
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what is MYDD ? n/t |
HuffleClaw |
May-17-08 04:23 PM |
#168 |
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go back and cry to your buddies on Hillary's conference call. WAHHHHHH. |
NormaR |
May-17-08 12:14 AM |
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i don't support her either n/t |
HuffleClaw |
May-17-08 04:22 PM |
#167 |
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They reflect who doorbellers and phonebankers are willing to work for |
eridani |
May-17-08 01:36 AM |
#126 |
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While I can name 100 things wrong with caucusses |
Gore1FL |
May-16-08 09:09 PM |
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And, she never will. |
Condem |
May-16-08 09:10 PM |
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little late to complain is`t it... |
madrchsod |
May-16-08 09:12 PM |
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Why are you whining about something that is perfectly legal? |
SeattleGirl |
May-16-08 09:19 PM |
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YOU WERE ON THE CAMPAIGN'S CALL TODAY - IT IS REPORTED ON MYDD>>> |
NormaR |
May-16-08 09:29 PM |
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Now that's interesting....... |
newmajority |
May-16-08 09:46 PM |
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HOW DARE YOU COME TO DU WITH YOUR BULLSHIT CAMPAIGN SPAM |
NormaR |
May-16-08 09:30 PM |
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people have been writing about this for months |
paulk |
May-16-08 09:43 PM |
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Hillary called caucuses "wonderful tradition" before she lost! |
TwoSparkles |
May-16-08 10:50 PM |
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May-16-08 09:31 PM |
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My 1000th post |
Condem |
May-16-08 09:33 PM |
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So you're confirmed as Hillary staff, you know that right? |
Wolsh |
May-16-08 09:32 PM |
#75 |
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ORIGINAL POSTER HAS JUST BEEN CAUGHT LYING, AND SO HAS CLINTON CAMPAIGN |
NormaR |
May-16-08 09:33 PM |
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you really need to embrace reality. obamas our guy. accept it. love it. |
goletian |
May-16-08 09:33 PM |
#76 |
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YOU ARE BUSTED. |
NormaR |
May-16-08 09:36 PM |
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Methinks sunonmars is long gone, NormaR. |
Condem |
May-16-08 09:39 PM |
#83 |
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a coward and a liar |
NormaR |
May-16-08 09:43 PM |
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We will hope to have the bulk of them for the GE. |
Condem |
May-16-08 09:47 PM |
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LMFAO.. So if the rules were different Hillary would be winning |
walldude |
May-16-08 09:40 PM |
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That's why it needs to go to the Convention |
OzarkDem |
May-16-08 09:40 PM |
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Don't worry. It won't. This will all be over in a few weeks. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-16-08 09:46 PM |
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May-16-08 09:48 PM |
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Why in God's name would you want this to go to the convention..I'm |
movonne |
May-16-08 10:43 PM |
#103 |
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You do realize that the Convention.... |
bvar22 |
May-16-08 10:52 PM |
#111 |
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right--take it the convention |
rodeodance |
May-16-08 11:00 PM |
#114 |
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How 'bout you try holdin your breathe until that happens |
TheDonkey |
May-17-08 03:40 AM |
#142 |
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I know from experience. They are |
DemocratKR |
May-16-08 09:41 PM |
#87 |
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The problem with your (il)logic is |
quaker bill |
May-16-08 09:47 PM |
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May-16-08 10:06 PM |
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I second what you said... |
movonne |
May-16-08 10:45 PM |
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And I Third it. |
bvar22 |
May-16-08 10:59 PM |
#113 |
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Well, aren't you an obedient little blogger for Hillary...Do you get your cookie now? |
Oregonian |
May-16-08 10:48 PM |
#107 |
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by the hour or by the thread I wonder |
Endangered Specie |
May-17-08 01:46 AM |
#130 |
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Before she lost, Hill said caucuses were "wonderful tradition." |
TwoSparkles |
May-16-08 10:49 PM |
#108 |
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I wonder if that might need it's own thread |
donheld |
May-17-08 01:52 AM |
#134 |
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A sad and pitiable post. |
krkaufman |
May-16-08 10:49 PM |
#109 |
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Look we were told to go to caucus and that the primary |
marlakay |
May-16-08 10:55 PM |
#112 |
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"It's quite evident that" you were on HRC's conference call today |
AZBlue |
May-16-08 11:21 PM |
#117 |
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Have you ever participated in a caucus? |
Generic Brad |
May-16-08 11:33 PM |
#119 |
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Caucuses represent about 2% of the total voter and have been seriously |
candice |
May-16-08 11:52 PM |
#120 |
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If you have evidence of voter fraud during the caucuses, please report it |
NewHampshireDem |
May-17-08 12:02 AM |
#121 |
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How DARE you come here and FUCKING LIE TO US LIKE THIS! HOW DARE YOU!!! |
NormaR |
May-17-08 12:10 AM |
#123 |
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oh stfu, you shrill, you cant take that your boy is a cheat and got busted doing it. |
sunonmars |
May-17-08 03:15 AM |
#136 |
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Your candidate lost because she didn't have a good strategy. Now all you have is lies. |
anigbrowl |
May-17-08 04:00 AM |
#151 |
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They represent people who want to doorbell and phonebank for a candidate |
eridani |
May-17-08 01:42 AM |
#127 |
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Sore Loser... |
Endangered Specie |
May-17-08 01:47 AM |
#132 |
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BULLSHIT. Clinton lost caucuses because she has no support among the grassroots |
TheDonkey |
May-17-08 03:29 AM |
#138 |
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She could have built support among the grassroots if she wanted too |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-08 03:47 AM |
#144 |
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what you said. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 04:09 AM |
#156 |
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WAAAAHHHH WAAAAAHHHH WAAAAHHHH!!!! |
Endangered Specie |
May-17-08 01:43 AM |
#128 |
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Amen |
unlawflcombatnt |
May-17-08 01:47 AM |
#131 |
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Hope you get paid as much as the OP. |
Endangered Specie |
May-17-08 01:48 AM |
#133 |
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GET LOST |
TheDonkey |
May-17-08 03:32 AM |
#139 |
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And yet every president since George Washington has been fine with them |
bhikkhu |
May-17-08 01:58 AM |
#135 |
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If there were no caucuses Obama would have run a different strategy |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-08 03:41 AM |
#143 |
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And he still would have won |
ninja8590 |
May-17-08 03:53 AM |
#146 |
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Maybe he would have maybe he wouldn't have |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-08 03:59 AM |
#149 |
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Oh yea and btw, welcome to DU |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-08 04:08 AM |
#155 |
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i hope he's got a 'different strategy' ready for the GE, cuz he's gonna need one. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-17-08 04:10 AM |
#157 |
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Everybody has a different strategy for the primaries and the GE |
Hippo_Tron |
May-17-08 04:17 AM |
#159 |
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Good analysis. |
susankh4 |
May-17-08 04:26 AM |
#160 |
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I disagree |
MaineDem |
May-17-08 05:11 AM |
#161 |
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Hillary loved the Caucuses, until she got her ass handed to her! |
workinclasszero |
May-17-08 06:33 AM |
#163 |
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I just got back from WA CD caucus held today |
d.amber |
May-17-08 05:21 PM |
#169 |
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All that time in politics, and now Hillary complains? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-17-08 05:25 PM |
#171 |
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You need to write those states and complain, to get them to change their methods, then. |
indie_ana_500 |
May-17-08 05:28 PM |
#173 |
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I skipped my WA primary because I knew it wouldn't count. So did many others. |
anonymous171 |
May-17-08 05:33 PM |
#174 |
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Clinton frames her position around where she is in this race. |
Life Long Dem |
May-17-08 06:02 PM |
#175 |
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Primaries are superficial. |
Xap |
May-17-08 07:47 PM |
#178 |
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