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44. Not true - but I will agree that I'd like to see Texas change their
system. I don't agree that all caucuses are"bull", or that they shouldn't count in this primary. They were put in place, at least in Texas, to ensure that democrats would pick the nominees, as opposed to cross-over Republican shenanigans. That said, I'd rather see a state-by-state popular vote with only declared dems voting in the primary. I'm not sure how they should structure it - maybe stagger them, but rotate it so that the same states are not always first.

I was an Obama precinct leader, and while I was thrilled with our caucus turn-out, I thought it was really silly to have to vote twice, and to have to spend so much time at it. Also, when we were calling and talking to people, it took so much time to explain the process - I would have rather focused on just getting out the vote and getting as many people to the polls as possible.

I know this is another effort to give Hillary the nomination, which she has not earned. I don't support changing the rules mid-course, just as I don't support counting FL and MI for Hillary without a do-over. But I did want to weigh-in because you are right that it is a stupid system. I'd like to see it changed in Texas by 2012.
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  -Primaries vs Caucuses - The evidence shows Caucuses are bull sunonmars  May-16-08 06:00 AM   #0 
  - funny how them caucuses work out, huh?  goldcanyonaz   May-16-08 06:02 AM   #1 
  - YOU WERE ALL THE CALL TODAY AND ARE FOLLOWING THE SCRIPT>>>>>>  NormaR   May-16-08 09:29 PM   #72 
  - ....  mcctatas   May-16-08 10:47 PM   #106 
  - wow, you are really going nuts on this meme... first you lie in another thread about what the call  Texas Hill Country   May-17-08 03:36 AM   #140 
     - Don't confuse an Obama supporter with the truth  unlawflcombatnt   May-17-08 07:00 PM   #177 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-08 11:30 PM   #118 
  - Funny that no one had a problem with Bill Clinton  davidpdx   May-16-08 06:05 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-08 06:06 AM   #3 
  - Wow...and your proof is where?  davidpdx   May-16-08 07:33 PM   #22 
  - OMG - how dare actually COMPETE in those silly little contests!  anigbrowl   May-16-08 09:34 PM   #79 
  - Bullshit! What NO ONE EXPECTED was  Blue_Roses   May-16-08 09:36 PM   #80 
  - LMFAO....  walldude   May-16-08 09:45 PM   #91 
  - why is the vote tied?  goldcanyonaz   May-16-08 06:07 AM   #4 
     - Tied...  davidpdx   May-16-08 07:34 PM   #23 
        - Detergent  TahitiNut   May-16-08 07:36 PM   #24 
  - And if it were winner take all  WonderGrunion   May-16-08 06:07 AM   #5 
  - Much as I love the direct democracy of caucuses, they are less democratic  cali   May-16-08 06:08 AM   #6 
  - I agree, we should accept that there are caucuses in this primary and move on but  musicblind   May-16-08 08:30 PM   #51 
  - That's crap. Participation is light years more democratic than passively consuming soundbites  eridani   May-16-08 08:34 PM   #53 
  - thank you  swampg8r   May-17-08 12:12 AM   #124 
  - I don't like caucuses either...  Youphemism   May-16-08 06:13 AM   #7 
  - "We see more evidence that Obama built up his delegate lead by gaming the caucuses."  Perry Logan   May-16-08 06:15 AM   #8 
  - Meaning that having a solid organization capable of mobilizing supporters is cheating  eridani   May-17-08 01:45 AM   #129 
  - Are you actually trying to compare non-binding primaries with caucuses?  dansolo   May-16-08 06:15 AM   #9 
  - Of course, the OP is. After all, the goal here is to claim the ultimate non-binding  jsmirman   May-16-08 07:43 PM   #28 
  - except that the "non binding primaries" generated more interest  paulk   May-16-08 09:38 PM   #82 
  - considerably more interest. nt  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 03:57 AM   #148 
  - wouldn't they 'generate less interest' equally among all candidates? so why are the results (percent  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 03:56 AM   #147 
  - "bull" only because your candidate LOST  ima_sinnic   May-16-08 06:15 AM   #10 
  - No, they're flawed because they don't reflect the views of the voters.  lumberjack_jeff   May-16-08 10:45 PM   #104 
     - so I guess you'll be actively working to change it for next time  ima_sinnic   May-17-08 03:50 AM   #145 
     - Yes, and I didn't realize the magnitude of the problem prior to this  lumberjack_jeff   May-17-08 09:43 AM   #164 
     - I want to disenfranchise Repub voters in Dem caucuses or primaries n/t  eridani   May-17-08 04:15 AM   #158 
        - Like this guy?  lumberjack_jeff   May-17-08 09:45 AM   #165 
           - There is no such thing as registration by party in WA state  eridani   May-17-08 05:23 PM   #170 
           - There is no such thing as registration by party in WA state  eridani   May-17-08 05:25 PM   #172 
              - I voted in the WA primary. I had to choose the (R) ballot, the (I) ballot or the (D) one.  lumberjack_jeff   May-17-08 06:29 PM   #176 
                 - You just cannot be a Republican (or a Democrat) by registration in WA state, period  eridani   May-18-08 04:15 AM   #179 
  - K&R!!  indimuse   May-16-08 06:24 AM   #11 
  - what they said  goldcanyonaz   May-16-08 06:27 AM   #12 
  - Does this make you feel better to post this, does this adjust your attitude and self worth  Boz   May-16-08 06:32 AM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-08 09:40 PM   #85 
  - BITCH! BRAV-F*CKING-O! Caucus-Gate!!  JTFrog   May-16-08 06:37 AM   #14 
  - Ummm...  Jeff In Milwaukee   May-16-08 06:37 AM   #15 
  - Last I knew the Washington & Nebraska primaries were worth zero delegates  high density   May-16-08 06:42 AM   #16 
  - You have any fucking evidence?  Elrond Hubbard   May-16-08 06:43 AM   #17 
  - so you take 3 states with binding caucuses  CreekDog   May-16-08 06:49 AM   #18 
  - Ok, you handled that quite well. See below where I punk Op Mindcrime brutally.  jsmirman   May-16-08 07:45 PM   #29 
  - Although it's two states. Texas is not a non-binding primary, right?  jsmirman   May-16-08 07:47 PM   #31 
  - The OP referred to 3 states (TX, NE, WA) as evidence "caucuses are crap"  CreekDog   May-16-08 08:17 PM   #49 
     - Yeah, but all I was saying is that there isn't a non-binding Texas replacement  jsmirman   May-17-08 03:23 AM   #137 
  - whatever; and nobody is saying caucuses shouldn't count (this time), but they should be eliminated.  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 03:59 AM   #150 
  - How come caucuses haven't been a problem before?  mmonk   May-16-08 06:50 AM   #19 
  - Primaries are bull - they don't match the caucus results  GoesTo11   May-16-08 06:51 AM   #20 
  - So you were ALSO on today's call and Sen. Clinton told you what to say.  NormaR   May-16-08 10:31 PM   #102 
  - So caucuses stink today  charlie   May-16-08 06:55 AM   #21 
  - sorry Obama played by the rules, and knew what the game was all about.  slinkerwink   May-16-08 07:37 PM   #25 
  - and who cares if we lose the GE. great.  VotesForWomen   May-16-08 08:08 PM   #42 
     - Debbie Downer, Rachel Dratch called, she wants her recurring character back  rosebud57   May-16-08 08:59 PM   #63 
     - Are you saying that all or most hillary supporters are going to vote  movonne   May-16-08 10:22 PM   #100 
        - in a close race (which the battleground states usually are) it could make a difference. nt  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 04:01 AM   #152 
  - Um isn't this a state's rights issue?  Lucky 13   May-16-08 07:40 PM   #26 
  - Here's the deal with the Washington state Democratic primary: It is completely USELESS.  newmajority   May-16-08 07:41 PM   #27 
  - Nothing is more annoying than a substance argument masquerading as a process argument.  latinolatteliberal   May-16-08 07:46 PM   #30 
  - It sounds like you, too, would enjoy my post where I take a chainsaw to Op MindCrime  jsmirman   May-16-08 07:50 PM   #34 
     - You have quite a high opinion of yourself. n/t  zlt234   May-16-08 08:14 PM   #46 
  - Maybe you should have brought this up before Hillary started losing them.  PM7nj   May-16-08 07:49 PM   #32 
  - ## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-16-08 07:49 PM   #33 
  - You can run, but you cannot hide Evil GrovelBot!  Swamp Rat   May-16-08 11:19 PM   #116 
  - I'll take transparent representation by citizens over electronic voting any day!!  MarjorieG   May-16-08 07:51 PM   #35 
  - Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Most Hillary supporters  ecdab   May-16-08 07:55 PM   #36 
  - Thanks for the informative post. The truth be told!  kikiek   May-16-08 07:55 PM   #37 
  - Yeah truth be told if the rules were different Hillary might be winning  walldude   May-16-08 09:41 PM   #88 
     - And if Obama gets it the weaker candidate will be in the GE and a sure loser.  kikiek   May-16-08 09:49 PM   #97 
        - And what makes you think hillary is not the weaker candidate..her  movonne   May-16-08 10:29 PM   #101 
        - In your opinion..  walldude   May-16-08 11:17 PM   #115 
  - Washington voters skipped the primary because they didn't count, and we had already voted.  Diane R   May-16-08 08:06 PM   #38 
  - the scary thing is that this is where a lot of O's winning margin has come from; that and red states  VotesForWomen   May-16-08 08:06 PM   #39 
  - And WV and KY aren't red states?  anonymous171   May-16-08 08:08 PM   #41 
     - certainly they are, and i wouldn't use Clinton's victories there to make the case for her. her vict  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 04:04 AM   #153 
  - in summary  mkultra   May-16-08 08:07 PM   #40 
  - Caucuses would be fine with you guys if she had done  Erin Elizabeth   May-16-08 08:08 PM   #43 
  - Not true - but I will agree that I'd like to see Texas change their  TBF   May-16-08 08:11 PM   #44 
  - Exactly!  Malidictus Maximus   May-17-08 03:37 AM   #141 
  - Let's assume for the moment you're correct  JeffR   May-16-08 08:13 PM   #45 
  - I agree with you that the Caucuses have been said and done and were agreed to and we should not try  musicblind   May-16-08 08:37 PM   #56 
     - You make very good sense here. Points well taken..  JeffR   May-16-08 09:52 PM   #98 
        - very good response, thank you  musicblind   May-17-08 12:08 AM   #122 
           - Very good point  JeffR   May-17-08 12:07 PM   #166 
  - Close the barn door!  Mooney   May-16-08 08:15 PM   #47 
  - Looking at the posters here  Condem   May-16-08 08:15 PM   #48 
  - EF.  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-16-08 08:21 PM   #50 
  - A point to ponder...  hayu_lol   May-16-08 08:36 PM   #55 
     - Another point to ponder, hayu  Condem   May-16-08 08:38 PM   #57 
     - I live in a caucus state.  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-16-08 08:59 PM   #62 
        - Thank you, Rummy  Condem   May-16-08 09:03 PM   #64 
           - It goes without saying that it should be a paid day off, too.  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-16-08 09:22 PM   #69 
              - Agreed.  Condem   May-16-08 09:23 PM   #70 
  - Primaries are passive bullshit contests that encourage passive citizenship  eridani   May-16-08 08:32 PM   #52 
  - The fuckin nail, eridani. Well put.  Condem   May-16-08 08:35 PM   #54 
  - tell you what, why don't we just do away with secret ballots? nt  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 04:05 AM   #154 
     - The primary process is about campaigning for a preferred candidiate  eridani   May-17-08 06:11 AM   #162 
  - Want to know how Clinton handled the WA state caucuses?  eridani   May-16-08 08:40 PM   #58 
  - Want to know how she handled the Iowa caucuses?  Condem   May-16-08 08:51 PM   #59 
  - caucuses don't reflect how the general public votes  HuffleClaw   May-16-08 08:56 PM   #60 
  - No voting machines, either. Head on over to MYDD, Huffle.  Condem   May-16-08 08:58 PM   #61 
  - what is MYDD ? n/t  HuffleClaw   May-17-08 04:23 PM   #168 
  - go back and cry to your buddies on Hillary's conference call. WAHHHHHH.  NormaR   May-17-08 12:14 AM   #125 
  - i don't support her either n/t  HuffleClaw   May-17-08 04:22 PM   #167 
  - They reflect who doorbellers and phonebankers are willing to work for  eridani   May-17-08 01:36 AM   #126 
  - While I can name 100 things wrong with caucusses  Gore1FL   May-16-08 09:09 PM   #65 
  - And, she never will.  Condem   May-16-08 09:10 PM   #66 
  - little late to complain is`t it...  madrchsod   May-16-08 09:12 PM   #67 
  - Why are you whining about something that is perfectly legal?  SeattleGirl   May-16-08 09:19 PM   #68 
  - YOU WERE ON THE CAMPAIGN'S CALL TODAY - IT IS REPORTED ON MYDD>>>  NormaR   May-16-08 09:29 PM   #71 
  - Now that's interesting.......  newmajority   May-16-08 09:46 PM   #93 
  - HOW DARE YOU COME TO DU WITH YOUR BULLSHIT CAMPAIGN SPAM  NormaR   May-16-08 09:30 PM   #73 
  - people have been writing about this for months  paulk   May-16-08 09:43 PM   #89 
  - Hillary called caucuses "wonderful tradition" before she lost!  TwoSparkles   May-16-08 10:50 PM   #110 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-08 09:31 PM   #74 
  - My 1000th post  Condem   May-16-08 09:33 PM   #78 
  - So you're confirmed as Hillary staff, you know that right?  Wolsh   May-16-08 09:32 PM   #75 
  - ORIGINAL POSTER HAS JUST BEEN CAUGHT LYING, AND SO HAS CLINTON CAMPAIGN  NormaR   May-16-08 09:33 PM   #77 
  - you really need to embrace reality. obamas our guy. accept it. love it.  goletian   May-16-08 09:33 PM   #76 
  - YOU ARE BUSTED.  NormaR   May-16-08 09:36 PM   #81 
  - Methinks sunonmars is long gone, NormaR.  Condem   May-16-08 09:39 PM   #83 
     - a coward and a liar  NormaR   May-16-08 09:43 PM   #90 
        - We will hope to have the bulk of them for the GE.  Condem   May-16-08 09:47 PM   #94 
  - LMFAO.. So if the rules were different Hillary would be winning  walldude   May-16-08 09:40 PM   #84 
  - That's why it needs to go to the Convention  OzarkDem   May-16-08 09:40 PM   #86 
  - Don't worry. It won't. This will all be over in a few weeks.  GarbagemanLB   May-16-08 09:46 PM   #92 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-16-08 09:48 PM   #96 
  - Why in God's name would you want this to go to the convention..I'm  movonne   May-16-08 10:43 PM   #103 
  - You do realize that the Convention....  bvar22   May-16-08 10:52 PM   #111 
  - right--take it the convention  rodeodance   May-16-08 11:00 PM   #114 
  - How 'bout you try holdin your breathe until that happens  TheDonkey   May-17-08 03:40 AM   #142 
  - I know from experience. They are  DemocratKR   May-16-08 09:41 PM   #87 
  - The problem with your (il)logic is  quaker bill   May-16-08 09:47 PM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-08 10:06 PM   #99 
  - I second what you said...  movonne   May-16-08 10:45 PM   #105 
     - And I Third it.  bvar22   May-16-08 10:59 PM   #113 
  - Well, aren't you an obedient little blogger for Hillary...Do you get your cookie now?  Oregonian   May-16-08 10:48 PM   #107 
  - by the hour or by the thread I wonder  Endangered Specie   May-17-08 01:46 AM   #130 
  - Before she lost, Hill said caucuses were "wonderful tradition."  TwoSparkles   May-16-08 10:49 PM   #108 
  - I wonder if that might need it's own thread  donheld   May-17-08 01:52 AM   #134 
  - A sad and pitiable post.  krkaufman   May-16-08 10:49 PM   #109 
  - Look we were told to go to caucus and that the primary  marlakay   May-16-08 10:55 PM   #112 
  - "It's quite evident that" you were on HRC's conference call today  AZBlue   May-16-08 11:21 PM   #117 
  - Have you ever participated in a caucus?  Generic Brad   May-16-08 11:33 PM   #119 
  - Caucuses represent about 2% of the total voter and have been seriously  candice   May-16-08 11:52 PM   #120 
  - If you have evidence of voter fraud during the caucuses, please report it  NewHampshireDem   May-17-08 12:02 AM   #121 
  - How DARE you come here and FUCKING LIE TO US LIKE THIS! HOW DARE YOU!!!  NormaR   May-17-08 12:10 AM   #123 
  - oh stfu, you shrill, you cant take that your boy is a cheat and got busted doing it.  sunonmars   May-17-08 03:15 AM   #136 
     - Your candidate lost because she didn't have a good strategy. Now all you have is lies.  anigbrowl   May-17-08 04:00 AM   #151 
  - They represent people who want to doorbell and phonebank for a candidate  eridani   May-17-08 01:42 AM   #127 
  - Sore Loser...  Endangered Specie   May-17-08 01:47 AM   #132 
  - BULLSHIT. Clinton lost caucuses because she has no support among the grassroots  TheDonkey   May-17-08 03:29 AM   #138 
  - She could have built support among the grassroots if she wanted too  Hippo_Tron   May-17-08 03:47 AM   #144 
  - what you said. nt  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 04:09 AM   #156 
  - WAAAAHHHH WAAAAAHHHH WAAAAHHHH!!!!  Endangered Specie   May-17-08 01:43 AM   #128 
  - Amen  unlawflcombatnt   May-17-08 01:47 AM   #131 
  - Hope you get paid as much as the OP.  Endangered Specie   May-17-08 01:48 AM   #133 
  - GET LOST  TheDonkey   May-17-08 03:32 AM   #139 
  - And yet every president since George Washington has been fine with them  bhikkhu   May-17-08 01:58 AM   #135 
  - If there were no caucuses Obama would have run a different strategy  Hippo_Tron   May-17-08 03:41 AM   #143 
  - And he still would have won  ninja8590   May-17-08 03:53 AM   #146 
  - Maybe he would have maybe he wouldn't have  Hippo_Tron   May-17-08 03:59 AM   #149 
  - Oh yea and btw, welcome to DU  Hippo_Tron   May-17-08 04:08 AM   #155 
  - i hope he's got a 'different strategy' ready for the GE, cuz he's gonna need one. nt  VotesForWomen   May-17-08 04:10 AM   #157 
     - Everybody has a different strategy for the primaries and the GE  Hippo_Tron   May-17-08 04:17 AM   #159 
  - Good analysis.  susankh4   May-17-08 04:26 AM   #160 
  - I disagree  MaineDem   May-17-08 05:11 AM   #161 
  - Hillary loved the Caucuses, until she got her ass handed to her!  workinclasszero   May-17-08 06:33 AM   #163 
  - I just got back from WA CD caucus held today  d.amber   May-17-08 05:21 PM   #169 
  - All that time in politics, and now Hillary complains?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-17-08 05:25 PM   #171 
  - You need to write those states and complain, to get them to change their methods, then.  indie_ana_500   May-17-08 05:28 PM   #173 
  - I skipped my WA primary because I knew it wouldn't count. So did many others.  anonymous171   May-17-08 05:33 PM   #174 
  - Clinton frames her position around where she is in this race.  Life Long Dem   May-17-08 06:02 PM   #175 
  - Primaries are superficial.  Xap   May-17-08 07:47 PM   #178 
 

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