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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:44 PM
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130. She pledged that she would not compete there. Period.
Now she wants to make a contest out of it, after the fact. It's deceitful to claim otherwise.

Why do you have call another poster a liar when all along you know that you are the one being dishonest?

Is that some kind of psychological projection that you've got going there? I see it a lot lately. Especially among those that are quick to call other out and accuse them of lying.

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  -FL and MI will not, can not, be decided in Hillary Clintons favor IsItJustMe  May-14-08 07:36 AM   #0 
  - They will not be seated as is.  bowens43   May-14-08 07:38 AM   #1 
  - "To argue otherwise is absurd, unscrupulous and dishonest."  vi5   May-14-08 07:39 AM   #2 
  - If FL and MI are seated "as is" after they broke the rules...  jefferson_dem   May-14-08 07:40 AM   #3 
  - If florida and michigan are allowed to break the rules  hendo   May-14-08 11:17 AM   #94 
  - i dont mind them getting to send people to the convention  iamthebandfanman   May-14-08 07:42 AM   #4 
  - yep - the D's cannot acquiesce to the voters  DrDan   May-14-08 07:44 AM   #5 
  - How do you think this should be resolved?  Window   May-14-08 07:46 AM   #6 
  - count the votes  DrDan   May-14-08 07:53 AM   #7 
     - The votes will be counted in some fashion. But, as with everything in life, when you break the  IsItJustMe   May-14-08 07:58 AM   #8 
     - I did not break any rules  DrDan   May-14-08 08:02 AM   #9 
        - Yet you sure seem ignorant of the Party Rules.  Independent-Voter   May-14-08 09:35 AM   #38 
           - "ignorant" -???? - thank you  DrDan   May-14-08 09:40 AM   #42 
              - And again, you should whine to your state representatives.  Independent-Voter   May-14-08 09:44 AM   #45 
                 - why do you insist on being so offensive and insulting?  DrDan   May-14-08 09:51 AM   #50 
                    - Did you?  Chulanowa   May-14-08 03:21 PM   #125 
                       - oh good Lord  DrDan   May-14-08 07:14 PM   #137 
                          - Thank you for the ad hominem. Care to play again? Yes/No  Chulanowa   May-14-08 10:49 PM   #146 
                             - you are welcome - no  DrDan   May-15-08 05:58 AM   #147 
     - How the Hell did the Michigan party members get an "equal voice in candidate selection"  newmajority   May-14-08 09:17 AM   #25 
     - sorry - I do not even attempt to carry on a conversattion when  DrDan   May-14-08 09:22 AM   #27 
     - Lame excuse to drop the subject. n/t  cui bono   May-14-08 03:18 PM   #123 
        - whatever.  DrDan   May-14-08 07:16 PM   #138 
     - Four candidates were on the ballot  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 09:33 AM   #36 
        - "Obama chose not to run there - end of story."  dchill   May-14-08 09:41 AM   #43 
        - That's got nothing to do with  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 09:46 AM   #47 
           - "Try to stay on topic."  dchill   May-14-08 10:02 AM   #59 
           - Wrong again - Obama chose to follow the rules that DNC laid out.  Kittycat   May-14-08 10:03 AM   #60 
              - There was no DNC rule  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:23 AM   #73 
              - She agreed not to compete there. Read the OP.  Usrename   May-14-08 03:40 PM   #128 
              - Actually that's a lie....big surprise  tmoore411   May-14-08 10:24 AM   #74 
                 - She pledged that she would not compete there. Period.  Usrename   May-14-08 03:44 PM   #130 
        - Four candidates??  newmajority   May-14-08 10:22 AM   #72 
           - You are wrong on all your points. Good job.  bamalib   May-14-08 01:09 PM   #113 
              - You are trying to deceive us on what the pledge said  Pawel K   May-14-08 03:20 PM   #124 
     - How do you count Obama's vote when he wasn't on the ballot in MI?  casus belli   May-14-08 12:52 PM   #107 
     - I can't speak for Michigan - he was on the Florida ballot  DrDan   May-14-08 01:03 PM   #112 
     - Which votes do you count and who do the "uncommitteds" go to?  cui bono   May-14-08 03:16 PM   #122 
  - You mean the Michigan and Florida...  stillcool47   May-14-08 09:06 AM   #19 
  - actually I mean leaders at both the nat'l and the state level  DrDan   May-14-08 09:24 AM   #29 
     - I'm so glad that my state..  stillcool47   May-14-08 09:39 AM   #41 
        - please do not put words in my mouth - I am fully capable of doing that myself  DrDan   May-14-08 09:44 AM   #44 
           - I wasn't putting words in your mouth..  stillcool47   May-14-08 09:54 AM   #52 
              - I did not imply your state was doing any power-grabbing  DrDan   May-14-08 09:59 AM   #57 
                 - And who voted for those sanctions?  stillcool47   May-14-08 10:09 AM   #65 
                    - the "puinishment" for breaking the rule GOES AGAINST THE PARTY CHARTER  DrDan   May-14-08 10:13 AM   #68 
                    - Howard Dean does not have the power...  stillcool47   May-14-08 10:46 AM   #85 
                       - and exactly how would you know how outraged I was then . . .  DrDan   May-14-08 11:52 AM   #95 
                          - I didn't read a thing...  stillcool47   May-14-08 12:18 PM   #98 
                             - oh good heavens - what is your problem  DrDan   May-14-08 12:39 PM   #103 
                                - "Bully my way"...  stillcool47   May-14-08 12:51 PM   #106 
                    - Now Michigan and Florida are rogue states?  LisaM   May-14-08 12:04 PM   #96 
                       - What do you call 2 states out of 50  stillcool47   May-14-08 12:21 PM   #99 
  - Oh hogwash,  verges   May-14-08 09:35 AM   #37 
     - I don't know the answer to that - and I am NOT a Hillary supporter  DrDan   May-14-08 09:54 AM   #53 
        - The answer is very simple.  verges   May-14-08 10:06 AM   #62 
           - it is not simple - that is why Dean has not yet been able to resolve it  DrDan   May-14-08 10:09 AM   #66 
  - A pledge is not a legally binding contract.  RichGirl   May-14-08 08:02 AM   #10 
  - The only pledge Hillary signed was...  DemVet   May-14-08 08:04 AM   #11 
  - If you say the same shit over and over does it make it true?  Blondbostonian   May-14-08 08:07 AM   #13 
  - The voters in Florida and Michigan decided in Hillary Clinton's favor.  Maribelle   May-14-08 08:07 AM   #12 
  - Hillary said Michigan doesn't count  Blondbostonian   May-14-08 08:09 AM   #14 
  - Florida and Michigan decided in Hillary's favor. Are you having problems following the tread?  Maribelle   May-14-08 08:31 AM   #15 
     - Our "boy" wasn't even on the ballot in Michgan  EnviroBat   May-14-08 08:54 AM   #18 
     - It was in response to the 'your girl' in the prior post. Do try to keep up.  Maribelle   May-14-08 09:58 AM   #56 
        - Do try to shut up.  EnviroBat   May-14-08 10:51 AM   #88 
           - How rude....and I think you meant TOO instead of to!!  Jen-MI   May-14-08 01:34 PM   #116 
              - Oh no, you got me there...  EnviroBat   May-14-08 01:51 PM   #119 
              - I'm not english teacher but I think you just made an ass of yourself.  Pawel K   May-14-08 03:23 PM   #126 
     - Address what he said. SHE SAID MICHIGAN WOULDN'T COUNT, ON THE RADIO.  GarbagemanLB   May-14-08 09:23 AM   #28 
  - It seems to me that you...  stillcool47   May-14-08 09:10 AM   #20 
  - You don't think the fact that he wasn't on the ballot in one of those states, and didn't campaign  breakaleg   May-14-08 09:24 AM   #30 
  - It's not about any candidate.  PeterU   May-14-08 08:47 AM   #16 
  - That's important, but the rule of law in a democracy outweighs all other considerations. If that  IsItJustMe   May-14-08 08:52 AM   #17 
  - Democracy outweighs collective punishment on voters any day n/t  PeterU   May-14-08 09:13 AM   #21 
  - It is?  stillcool47   May-14-08 09:13 AM   #22 
     - Your state already voted. You had one day to vote and you wisely voted.  PeterU   May-14-08 09:16 AM   #24 
        - my state,  stillcool47   May-14-08 09:24 AM   #31 
           - Are you in a position of power to affect the date of elections?  PeterU   May-14-08 09:28 AM   #33 
              - If those 'outraged' now...  stillcool47   May-14-08 10:48 AM   #86 
                 - You tell me.  PeterU   May-14-08 01:55 PM   #120 
  - It's so sad that THIS is the topic of outrage for some people  PeterU   May-14-08 09:15 AM   #23 
  - The keyword is "proper" though  dbmk   May-14-08 09:35 AM   #39 
  - That's the thing... all she's got on this is BLUSTER.  Lucky 13   May-14-08 09:20 AM   #26 
  - The same way that  verges   May-14-08 09:47 AM   #48 
  - Count FL and MI....  cricket08   May-14-08 09:26 AM   #32 
  - Too late. She should have thought of that before January.  TahitiNut   May-14-08 09:39 AM   #40 
     - FL and MI  cricket08   May-14-08 09:44 AM   #46 
        - I just love the vacuous ipsedixitism of mindless sycophancy.  TahitiNut   May-14-08 09:53 AM   #51 
        - There's a difference between being seated, and being seated as is.  Kittycat   May-14-08 10:04 AM   #61 
        - They will be seated  cali   May-14-08 11:00 AM   #90 
           - Um...in the GE the voters will not be electing a party. They will elect a candiate.  MichiganVote   May-14-08 03:58 PM   #132 
  - I am going to ask this question loudly because it hasn't been answered yet  Robyn66   May-14-08 09:28 AM   #34 
  - No.  PeterU   May-14-08 09:32 AM   #35 
  - Thats an assumption you make there at the beginning  dbmk   May-14-08 09:48 AM   #49 
  - Because Obama wants to win, just like Hillary wants to win  PeterU   May-14-08 09:58 AM   #55 
     - The way I see it...  BalancedGoat   May-14-08 10:08 AM   #64 
     - Your representatives did it.  dbmk   May-14-08 01:23 PM   #115 
  - Since your from Florida...  verges   May-14-08 10:00 AM   #58 
     - Had I written a letter to the editor or state representative....  PeterU   May-14-08 10:06 AM   #63 
        - My point is  verges   May-14-08 10:10 AM   #67 
           - But the voters didn't "change the rules"  PeterU   May-14-08 10:17 AM   #70 
              - Who votes for your state legislatures?  verges   May-14-08 10:22 AM   #71 
              - Representative democracy does not exist without direct democracy first  PeterU   May-14-08 10:24 AM   #75 
                 - Wasn't the current legislature voted on?  verges   May-14-08 10:30 AM   #79 
                    - Primaries are governed by state and federal election law  PeterU   May-14-08 10:32 AM   #81 
                       - Aren't they the ones who decided to break the rules?  verges   May-14-08 10:45 AM   #84 
                          - The rules would have been broken with or without their input  PeterU   May-14-08 10:48 AM   #87 
                             - A slap on the wrist,  verges   May-14-08 10:59 AM   #89 
                                - Ah, I see.  PeterU   May-14-08 11:08 AM   #91 
                                   - Are you a parent?  verges   May-14-08 11:15 AM   #92 
                                      - I am....  PeterU   May-14-08 12:38 PM   #102 
                                         - Fair enough.  verges   May-14-08 12:50 PM   #105 
              - here here!!!  DrDan   May-14-08 12:11 PM   #97 
  - If O had won, would he and his supporters still be demanding those votes not count?  Skip Intro   May-14-08 10:29 AM   #77 
     - See my post above.  PeterU   May-14-08 10:30 AM   #80 
     - Are you implying that Obama supporters are dishonest?  CaptJasHook   May-14-08 12:58 PM   #110 
     - Same question that was asked only reversed to ask it of Obama supporters.  Skip Intro   May-14-08 08:29 PM   #144 
     - No.  PassingFair   May-14-08 03:44 PM   #131 
  - Thing is, they voted in her favor. This is really simple -  Skip Intro   May-14-08 09:56 AM   #54 
  - Thing is, they voted in her favor. This is really simple -  verges   May-14-08 10:16 AM   #69 
     - Kicking and screaming? Pointing out a political reality is all. Question for you -  Skip Intro   May-14-08 10:25 AM   #76 
        - Yes.  verges   May-14-08 10:44 AM   #83 
  - They won't be.  graycem   May-14-08 10:29 AM   #78 
  - "Broke the rules"? Rules that disenfranchise 2.3 million Democratic voters?  suston96   May-14-08 10:38 AM   #82 
  - Duh...there were other issues on the ballot...  stillcool47   May-14-08 12:33 PM   #101 
     - Not were I voted!  Jen-MI   May-14-08 01:40 PM   #117 
        - who told you that?  stillcool47   May-14-08 02:56 PM   #121 
           - It was on the local news!  Jen-MI   May-15-08 08:23 AM   #148 
  - "Good faith"? How about just following the Democratic Party Charter: All members are..  suston96   May-14-08 11:17 AM   #93 
  - Wait...which rules 'matter'?  stillcool47   May-14-08 12:26 PM   #100 
     - As long as the DNC rules do NOT violate the Democratic Party Charter the DNC rules can be followed.  suston96   May-14-08 12:54 PM   #109 
        - I know Florida  stillcool47   May-14-08 01:02 PM   #111 
           - Who needs the Democratic National Party to be truly Democratic AND truly National.....?  suston96   May-14-08 01:42 PM   #118 
              - exactly! My state is better than your state...  stillcool47   May-14-08 03:24 PM   #127 
                 - Not exactly. ALL states must be treated equally. Some states had early primaries.....  suston96   May-14-08 04:53 PM   #133 
                    - A national primary day?  stillcool47   May-14-08 06:59 PM   #134 
                       - "Have all the candidates run...."? Actually, many countries do exactly that.....  suston96   May-14-08 07:46 PM   #141 
                          - well there you go...  stillcool47   May-14-08 08:16 PM   #142 
  - If it comes down to a lawsuit...  SanchoPanza   May-14-08 12:42 PM   #104 
  - Yes!!! The Supreme Court should pick our nominee!!!  JustABozoOnThisBus   May-14-08 12:52 PM   #108 
  - You can thank Bush v. Gore for rendering state election law useless n/t  PeterU   May-14-08 01:17 PM   #114 
  - Then why did Obama campaign in Florida (Clinton & Edwards did not)???  kerry-is-my-prez   May-14-08 03:43 PM   #129 
  - national ads != local ads. n/t  muryan   May-14-08 07:04 PM   #135 
  - perhaps that will be for TSCOTUS to decide  mdmc   May-14-08 07:05 PM   #136 
  - I say, seat 'em all as uncommitted delegates  KamaAina   May-14-08 07:18 PM   #139 
  - You're telling this to Americans who went through the 2000 election. "Good Faith" does NOT exist.  Poll_Blind   May-14-08 07:22 PM   #140 
  - Politics is not a court of law, it is the art of persuasion.  2rth2pwr   May-14-08 08:18 PM   #143 
  - Fl and MI will be seated  hokies4ever   May-14-08 08:40 PM   #145 
 

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