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Wed May-14-08 08:02 AM
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| 10. A pledge is not a legally binding contract. |
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When they signed the pledge they assumed that the people in these states wouldn't even bother to vote since their votes didn't count anyway. But when millions of people DID vote, that changed everything. The vote is all the people have...and when they speak, they should be listened too.
I wonder which side of this arguement Obama supporters would be on if he had won big in those states.
The point is, when you have that many people come out to vote for you even though it won't count, you can't just ignore them.
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| -FL and MI will not, can not, be decided in Hillary Clinton’s favor |
IsItJustMe |
May-14-08 07:36 AM |
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They will not be seated as is. |
bowens43 |
May-14-08 07:38 AM |
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"To argue otherwise is absurd, unscrupulous and dishonest." |
vi5 |
May-14-08 07:39 AM |
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If FL and MI are seated "as is" after they broke the rules... |
jefferson_dem |
May-14-08 07:40 AM |
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If florida and michigan are allowed to break the rules |
hendo |
May-14-08 11:17 AM |
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i dont mind them getting to send people to the convention |
iamthebandfanman |
May-14-08 07:42 AM |
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yep - the D's cannot acquiesce to the voters |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:44 AM |
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How do you think this should be resolved? |
Window |
May-14-08 07:46 AM |
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count the votes |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:53 AM |
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The votes will be counted in some fashion. But, as with everything in life, when you break the |
IsItJustMe |
May-14-08 07:58 AM |
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I did not break any rules |
DrDan |
May-14-08 08:02 AM |
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Yet you sure seem ignorant of the Party Rules. |
Independent-Voter |
May-14-08 09:35 AM |
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"ignorant" -???? - thank you |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:40 AM |
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And again, you should whine to your state representatives. |
Independent-Voter |
May-14-08 09:44 AM |
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why do you insist on being so offensive and insulting? |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:51 AM |
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Did you? |
Chulanowa |
May-14-08 03:21 PM |
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oh good Lord |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:14 PM |
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Thank you for the ad hominem. Care to play again? Yes/No |
Chulanowa |
May-14-08 10:49 PM |
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you are welcome - no |
DrDan |
May-15-08 05:58 AM |
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How the Hell did the Michigan party members get an "equal voice in candidate selection" |
newmajority |
May-14-08 09:17 AM |
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sorry - I do not even attempt to carry on a conversattion when |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:22 AM |
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Lame excuse to drop the subject. n/t |
cui bono |
May-14-08 03:18 PM |
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whatever. |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:16 PM |
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Four candidates were on the ballot |
MonkeyFunk |
May-14-08 09:33 AM |
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"Obama chose not to run there - end of story." |
dchill |
May-14-08 09:41 AM |
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That's got nothing to do with |
MonkeyFunk |
May-14-08 09:46 AM |
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"Try to stay on topic." |
dchill |
May-14-08 10:02 AM |
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Wrong again - Obama chose to follow the rules that DNC laid out. |
Kittycat |
May-14-08 10:03 AM |
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There was no DNC rule |
MonkeyFunk |
May-14-08 10:23 AM |
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She agreed not to compete there. Read the OP. |
Usrename |
May-14-08 03:40 PM |
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Actually that's a lie....big surprise |
tmoore411 |
May-14-08 10:24 AM |
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She pledged that she would not compete there. Period. |
Usrename |
May-14-08 03:44 PM |
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Four candidates?? |
newmajority |
May-14-08 10:22 AM |
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You are wrong on all your points. Good job. |
bamalib |
May-14-08 01:09 PM |
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You are trying to deceive us on what the pledge said |
Pawel K |
May-14-08 03:20 PM |
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How do you count Obama's vote when he wasn't on the ballot in MI? |
casus belli |
May-14-08 12:52 PM |
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I can't speak for Michigan - he was on the Florida ballot |
DrDan |
May-14-08 01:03 PM |
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Which votes do you count and who do the "uncommitteds" go to? |
cui bono |
May-14-08 03:16 PM |
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You mean the Michigan and Florida... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:06 AM |
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actually I mean leaders at both the nat'l and the state level |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:24 AM |
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I'm so glad that my state.. |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:39 AM |
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please do not put words in my mouth - I am fully capable of doing that myself |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:44 AM |
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I wasn't putting words in your mouth.. |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:54 AM |
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I did not imply your state was doing any power-grabbing |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:59 AM |
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And who voted for those sanctions? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 10:09 AM |
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the "puinishment" for breaking the rule GOES AGAINST THE PARTY CHARTER |
DrDan |
May-14-08 10:13 AM |
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Howard Dean does not have the power... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 10:46 AM |
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and exactly how would you know how outraged I was then . . . |
DrDan |
May-14-08 11:52 AM |
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I didn't read a thing... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:18 PM |
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oh good heavens - what is your problem |
DrDan |
May-14-08 12:39 PM |
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"Bully my way"... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:51 PM |
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Now Michigan and Florida are rogue states? |
LisaM |
May-14-08 12:04 PM |
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What do you call 2 states out of 50 |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:21 PM |
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Oh hogwash, |
verges |
May-14-08 09:35 AM |
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I don't know the answer to that - and I am NOT a Hillary supporter |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:54 AM |
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The answer is very simple. |
verges |
May-14-08 10:06 AM |
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it is not simple - that is why Dean has not yet been able to resolve it |
DrDan |
May-14-08 10:09 AM |
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A pledge is not a legally binding contract. |
RichGirl |
May-14-08 08:02 AM |
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The only pledge Hillary signed was... |
DemVet |
May-14-08 08:04 AM |
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If you say the same shit over and over does it make it true? |
Blondbostonian |
May-14-08 08:07 AM |
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The voters in Florida and Michigan decided in Hillary Clinton's favor. |
Maribelle |
May-14-08 08:07 AM |
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Hillary said Michigan doesn't count |
Blondbostonian |
May-14-08 08:09 AM |
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Florida and Michigan decided in Hillary's favor. Are you having problems following the tread? |
Maribelle |
May-14-08 08:31 AM |
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Our "boy" wasn't even on the ballot in Michgan |
EnviroBat |
May-14-08 08:54 AM |
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It was in response to the 'your girl' in the prior post. Do try to keep up. |
Maribelle |
May-14-08 09:58 AM |
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Do try to shut up. |
EnviroBat |
May-14-08 10:51 AM |
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How rude....and I think you meant TOO instead of to!! |
Jen-MI |
May-14-08 01:34 PM |
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Oh no, you got me there... |
EnviroBat |
May-14-08 01:51 PM |
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I'm not english teacher but I think you just made an ass of yourself. |
Pawel K |
May-14-08 03:23 PM |
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Address what he said. SHE SAID MICHIGAN WOULDN'T COUNT, ON THE RADIO. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-14-08 09:23 AM |
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It seems to me that you... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:10 AM |
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You don't think the fact that he wasn't on the ballot in one of those states, and didn't campaign |
breakaleg |
May-14-08 09:24 AM |
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It's not about any candidate. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 08:47 AM |
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That's important, but the rule of law in a democracy outweighs all other considerations. If that |
IsItJustMe |
May-14-08 08:52 AM |
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Democracy outweighs collective punishment on voters any day n/t |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:13 AM |
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It is? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:13 AM |
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Your state already voted. You had one day to vote and you wisely voted. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:16 AM |
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my state, |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:24 AM |
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Are you in a position of power to affect the date of elections? |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:28 AM |
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If those 'outraged' now... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 10:48 AM |
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You tell me. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 01:55 PM |
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It's so sad that THIS is the topic of outrage for some people |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:15 AM |
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The keyword is "proper" though |
dbmk |
May-14-08 09:35 AM |
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That's the thing... all she's got on this is BLUSTER. |
Lucky 13 |
May-14-08 09:20 AM |
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The same way that |
verges |
May-14-08 09:47 AM |
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Count FL and MI.... |
cricket08 |
May-14-08 09:26 AM |
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Too late. She should have thought of that before January. |
TahitiNut |
May-14-08 09:39 AM |
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FL and MI |
cricket08 |
May-14-08 09:44 AM |
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I just love the vacuous ipsedixitism of mindless sycophancy. |
TahitiNut |
May-14-08 09:53 AM |
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There's a difference between being seated, and being seated as is. |
Kittycat |
May-14-08 10:04 AM |
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They will be seated |
cali |
May-14-08 11:00 AM |
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Um...in the GE the voters will not be electing a party. They will elect a candiate. |
MichiganVote |
May-14-08 03:58 PM |
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I am going to ask this question loudly because it hasn't been answered yet |
Robyn66 |
May-14-08 09:28 AM |
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No. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:32 AM |
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Thats an assumption you make there at the beginning |
dbmk |
May-14-08 09:48 AM |
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Because Obama wants to win, just like Hillary wants to win |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:58 AM |
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The way I see it... |
BalancedGoat |
May-14-08 10:08 AM |
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Your representatives did it. |
dbmk |
May-14-08 01:23 PM |
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Since your from Florida... |
verges |
May-14-08 10:00 AM |
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Had I written a letter to the editor or state representative.... |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:06 AM |
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My point is |
verges |
May-14-08 10:10 AM |
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But the voters didn't "change the rules" |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:17 AM |
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Who votes for your state legislatures? |
verges |
May-14-08 10:22 AM |
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Representative democracy does not exist without direct democracy first |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:24 AM |
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Wasn't the current legislature voted on? |
verges |
May-14-08 10:30 AM |
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Primaries are governed by state and federal election law |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:32 AM |
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Aren't they the ones who decided to break the rules? |
verges |
May-14-08 10:45 AM |
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The rules would have been broken with or without their input |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:48 AM |
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A slap on the wrist, |
verges |
May-14-08 10:59 AM |
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Ah, I see. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 11:08 AM |
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Are you a parent? |
verges |
May-14-08 11:15 AM |
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I am.... |
PeterU |
May-14-08 12:38 PM |
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Fair enough. |
verges |
May-14-08 12:50 PM |
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here here!!! |
DrDan |
May-14-08 12:11 PM |
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If O had won, would he and his supporters still be demanding those votes not count? |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 10:29 AM |
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See my post above. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:30 AM |
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Are you implying that Obama supporters are dishonest? |
CaptJasHook |
May-14-08 12:58 PM |
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Same question that was asked only reversed to ask it of Obama supporters. |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 08:29 PM |
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No. |
PassingFair |
May-14-08 03:44 PM |
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Thing is, they voted in her favor. This is really simple - |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 09:56 AM |
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Thing is, they voted in her favor. This is really simple - |
verges |
May-14-08 10:16 AM |
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Kicking and screaming? Pointing out a political reality is all. Question for you - |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 10:25 AM |
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Yes. |
verges |
May-14-08 10:44 AM |
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They won't be. |
graycem |
May-14-08 10:29 AM |
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"Broke the rules"? Rules that disenfranchise 2.3 million Democratic voters? |
suston96 |
May-14-08 10:38 AM |
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Duh...there were other issues on the ballot... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:33 PM |
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Not were I voted! |
Jen-MI |
May-14-08 01:40 PM |
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who told you that? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 02:56 PM |
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It was on the local news! |
Jen-MI |
May-15-08 08:23 AM |
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"Good faith"? How about just following the Democratic Party Charter: All members are.. |
suston96 |
May-14-08 11:17 AM |
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Wait...which rules 'matter'? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:26 PM |
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As long as the DNC rules do NOT violate the Democratic Party Charter the DNC rules can be followed. |
suston96 |
May-14-08 12:54 PM |
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I know Florida |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 01:02 PM |
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Who needs the Democratic National Party to be truly Democratic AND truly National.....? |
suston96 |
May-14-08 01:42 PM |
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exactly! My state is better than your state... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 03:24 PM |
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Not exactly. ALL states must be treated equally. Some states had early primaries..... |
suston96 |
May-14-08 04:53 PM |
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A national primary day? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 06:59 PM |
#134 |
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"Have all the candidates run...."? Actually, many countries do exactly that..... |
suston96 |
May-14-08 07:46 PM |
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well there you go... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 08:16 PM |
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If it comes down to a lawsuit... |
SanchoPanza |
May-14-08 12:42 PM |
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Yes!!! The Supreme Court should pick our nominee!!! |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
May-14-08 12:52 PM |
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You can thank Bush v. Gore for rendering state election law useless n/t |
PeterU |
May-14-08 01:17 PM |
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Then why did Obama campaign in Florida (Clinton & Edwards did not)??? |
kerry-is-my-prez |
May-14-08 03:43 PM |
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national ads != local ads. n/t |
muryan |
May-14-08 07:04 PM |
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perhaps that will be for TSCOTUS to decide |
mdmc |
May-14-08 07:05 PM |
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I say, seat 'em all as uncommitted delegates |
KamaAina |
May-14-08 07:18 PM |
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You're telling this to Americans who went through the 2000 election. "Good Faith" does NOT exist. |
Poll_Blind |
May-14-08 07:22 PM |
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Politics is not a court of law, it is the art of persuasion. |
2rth2pwr |
May-14-08 08:18 PM |
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Fl and MI will be seated |
hokies4ever |
May-14-08 08:40 PM |
#145 |
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