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Wed May-14-08 07:40 AM
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| 3. If FL and MI are seated "as is" after they broke the rules... |
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how fair is that to states that followed the rules?
Answer: not at all.
Sorry, Hilly. The party is far more important than your political ambition.
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| -FL and MI will not, can not, be decided in Hillary Clinton’s favor |
IsItJustMe |
May-14-08 07:36 AM |
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They will not be seated as is. |
bowens43 |
May-14-08 07:38 AM |
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"To argue otherwise is absurd, unscrupulous and dishonest." |
vi5 |
May-14-08 07:39 AM |
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If FL and MI are seated "as is" after they broke the rules... |
jefferson_dem |
May-14-08 07:40 AM |
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If florida and michigan are allowed to break the rules |
hendo |
May-14-08 11:17 AM |
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i dont mind them getting to send people to the convention |
iamthebandfanman |
May-14-08 07:42 AM |
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yep - the D's cannot acquiesce to the voters |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:44 AM |
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How do you think this should be resolved? |
Window |
May-14-08 07:46 AM |
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count the votes |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:53 AM |
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The votes will be counted in some fashion. But, as with everything in life, when you break the |
IsItJustMe |
May-14-08 07:58 AM |
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I did not break any rules |
DrDan |
May-14-08 08:02 AM |
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Yet you sure seem ignorant of the Party Rules. |
Independent-Voter |
May-14-08 09:35 AM |
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"ignorant" -???? - thank you |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:40 AM |
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And again, you should whine to your state representatives. |
Independent-Voter |
May-14-08 09:44 AM |
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why do you insist on being so offensive and insulting? |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:51 AM |
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Did you? |
Chulanowa |
May-14-08 03:21 PM |
#125 |
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oh good Lord |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:14 PM |
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Thank you for the ad hominem. Care to play again? Yes/No |
Chulanowa |
May-14-08 10:49 PM |
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you are welcome - no |
DrDan |
May-15-08 05:58 AM |
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How the Hell did the Michigan party members get an "equal voice in candidate selection" |
newmajority |
May-14-08 09:17 AM |
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sorry - I do not even attempt to carry on a conversattion when |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:22 AM |
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Lame excuse to drop the subject. n/t |
cui bono |
May-14-08 03:18 PM |
#123 |
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whatever. |
DrDan |
May-14-08 07:16 PM |
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Four candidates were on the ballot |
MonkeyFunk |
May-14-08 09:33 AM |
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"Obama chose not to run there - end of story." |
dchill |
May-14-08 09:41 AM |
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That's got nothing to do with |
MonkeyFunk |
May-14-08 09:46 AM |
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"Try to stay on topic." |
dchill |
May-14-08 10:02 AM |
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Wrong again - Obama chose to follow the rules that DNC laid out. |
Kittycat |
May-14-08 10:03 AM |
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There was no DNC rule |
MonkeyFunk |
May-14-08 10:23 AM |
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She agreed not to compete there. Read the OP. |
Usrename |
May-14-08 03:40 PM |
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Actually that's a lie....big surprise |
tmoore411 |
May-14-08 10:24 AM |
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She pledged that she would not compete there. Period. |
Usrename |
May-14-08 03:44 PM |
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Four candidates?? |
newmajority |
May-14-08 10:22 AM |
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You are wrong on all your points. Good job. |
bamalib |
May-14-08 01:09 PM |
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You are trying to deceive us on what the pledge said |
Pawel K |
May-14-08 03:20 PM |
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How do you count Obama's vote when he wasn't on the ballot in MI? |
casus belli |
May-14-08 12:52 PM |
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I can't speak for Michigan - he was on the Florida ballot |
DrDan |
May-14-08 01:03 PM |
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Which votes do you count and who do the "uncommitteds" go to? |
cui bono |
May-14-08 03:16 PM |
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You mean the Michigan and Florida... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:06 AM |
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actually I mean leaders at both the nat'l and the state level |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:24 AM |
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I'm so glad that my state.. |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:39 AM |
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please do not put words in my mouth - I am fully capable of doing that myself |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:44 AM |
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I wasn't putting words in your mouth.. |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:54 AM |
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I did not imply your state was doing any power-grabbing |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:59 AM |
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And who voted for those sanctions? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 10:09 AM |
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the "puinishment" for breaking the rule GOES AGAINST THE PARTY CHARTER |
DrDan |
May-14-08 10:13 AM |
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Howard Dean does not have the power... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 10:46 AM |
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and exactly how would you know how outraged I was then . . . |
DrDan |
May-14-08 11:52 AM |
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I didn't read a thing... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:18 PM |
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oh good heavens - what is your problem |
DrDan |
May-14-08 12:39 PM |
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"Bully my way"... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:51 PM |
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Now Michigan and Florida are rogue states? |
LisaM |
May-14-08 12:04 PM |
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What do you call 2 states out of 50 |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:21 PM |
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Oh hogwash, |
verges |
May-14-08 09:35 AM |
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I don't know the answer to that - and I am NOT a Hillary supporter |
DrDan |
May-14-08 09:54 AM |
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The answer is very simple. |
verges |
May-14-08 10:06 AM |
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it is not simple - that is why Dean has not yet been able to resolve it |
DrDan |
May-14-08 10:09 AM |
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A pledge is not a legally binding contract. |
RichGirl |
May-14-08 08:02 AM |
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The only pledge Hillary signed was... |
DemVet |
May-14-08 08:04 AM |
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If you say the same shit over and over does it make it true? |
Blondbostonian |
May-14-08 08:07 AM |
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The voters in Florida and Michigan decided in Hillary Clinton's favor. |
Maribelle |
May-14-08 08:07 AM |
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Hillary said Michigan doesn't count |
Blondbostonian |
May-14-08 08:09 AM |
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Florida and Michigan decided in Hillary's favor. Are you having problems following the tread? |
Maribelle |
May-14-08 08:31 AM |
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Our "boy" wasn't even on the ballot in Michgan |
EnviroBat |
May-14-08 08:54 AM |
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It was in response to the 'your girl' in the prior post. Do try to keep up. |
Maribelle |
May-14-08 09:58 AM |
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Do try to shut up. |
EnviroBat |
May-14-08 10:51 AM |
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How rude....and I think you meant TOO instead of to!! |
Jen-MI |
May-14-08 01:34 PM |
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Oh no, you got me there... |
EnviroBat |
May-14-08 01:51 PM |
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I'm not english teacher but I think you just made an ass of yourself. |
Pawel K |
May-14-08 03:23 PM |
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Address what he said. SHE SAID MICHIGAN WOULDN'T COUNT, ON THE RADIO. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-14-08 09:23 AM |
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It seems to me that you... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:10 AM |
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You don't think the fact that he wasn't on the ballot in one of those states, and didn't campaign |
breakaleg |
May-14-08 09:24 AM |
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It's not about any candidate. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 08:47 AM |
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That's important, but the rule of law in a democracy outweighs all other considerations. If that |
IsItJustMe |
May-14-08 08:52 AM |
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Democracy outweighs collective punishment on voters any day n/t |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:13 AM |
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It is? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:13 AM |
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Your state already voted. You had one day to vote and you wisely voted. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:16 AM |
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my state, |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 09:24 AM |
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Are you in a position of power to affect the date of elections? |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:28 AM |
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If those 'outraged' now... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 10:48 AM |
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You tell me. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 01:55 PM |
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It's so sad that THIS is the topic of outrage for some people |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:15 AM |
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The keyword is "proper" though |
dbmk |
May-14-08 09:35 AM |
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That's the thing... all she's got on this is BLUSTER. |
Lucky 13 |
May-14-08 09:20 AM |
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The same way that |
verges |
May-14-08 09:47 AM |
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Count FL and MI.... |
cricket08 |
May-14-08 09:26 AM |
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Too late. She should have thought of that before January. |
TahitiNut |
May-14-08 09:39 AM |
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FL and MI |
cricket08 |
May-14-08 09:44 AM |
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I just love the vacuous ipsedixitism of mindless sycophancy. |
TahitiNut |
May-14-08 09:53 AM |
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There's a difference between being seated, and being seated as is. |
Kittycat |
May-14-08 10:04 AM |
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They will be seated |
cali |
May-14-08 11:00 AM |
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Um...in the GE the voters will not be electing a party. They will elect a candiate. |
MichiganVote |
May-14-08 03:58 PM |
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I am going to ask this question loudly because it hasn't been answered yet |
Robyn66 |
May-14-08 09:28 AM |
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No. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:32 AM |
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Thats an assumption you make there at the beginning |
dbmk |
May-14-08 09:48 AM |
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Because Obama wants to win, just like Hillary wants to win |
PeterU |
May-14-08 09:58 AM |
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The way I see it... |
BalancedGoat |
May-14-08 10:08 AM |
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Your representatives did it. |
dbmk |
May-14-08 01:23 PM |
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Since your from Florida... |
verges |
May-14-08 10:00 AM |
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Had I written a letter to the editor or state representative.... |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:06 AM |
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My point is |
verges |
May-14-08 10:10 AM |
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But the voters didn't "change the rules" |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:17 AM |
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Who votes for your state legislatures? |
verges |
May-14-08 10:22 AM |
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Representative democracy does not exist without direct democracy first |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:24 AM |
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Wasn't the current legislature voted on? |
verges |
May-14-08 10:30 AM |
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Primaries are governed by state and federal election law |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:32 AM |
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Aren't they the ones who decided to break the rules? |
verges |
May-14-08 10:45 AM |
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The rules would have been broken with or without their input |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:48 AM |
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A slap on the wrist, |
verges |
May-14-08 10:59 AM |
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Ah, I see. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 11:08 AM |
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Are you a parent? |
verges |
May-14-08 11:15 AM |
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I am.... |
PeterU |
May-14-08 12:38 PM |
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Fair enough. |
verges |
May-14-08 12:50 PM |
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here here!!! |
DrDan |
May-14-08 12:11 PM |
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If O had won, would he and his supporters still be demanding those votes not count? |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 10:29 AM |
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See my post above. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 10:30 AM |
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Are you implying that Obama supporters are dishonest? |
CaptJasHook |
May-14-08 12:58 PM |
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Same question that was asked only reversed to ask it of Obama supporters. |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 08:29 PM |
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No. |
PassingFair |
May-14-08 03:44 PM |
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Thing is, they voted in her favor. This is really simple - |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 09:56 AM |
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Thing is, they voted in her favor. This is really simple - |
verges |
May-14-08 10:16 AM |
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Kicking and screaming? Pointing out a political reality is all. Question for you - |
Skip Intro |
May-14-08 10:25 AM |
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Yes. |
verges |
May-14-08 10:44 AM |
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They won't be. |
graycem |
May-14-08 10:29 AM |
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"Broke the rules"? Rules that disenfranchise 2.3 million Democratic voters? |
suston96 |
May-14-08 10:38 AM |
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Duh...there were other issues on the ballot... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:33 PM |
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Not were I voted! |
Jen-MI |
May-14-08 01:40 PM |
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who told you that? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 02:56 PM |
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It was on the local news! |
Jen-MI |
May-15-08 08:23 AM |
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"Good faith"? How about just following the Democratic Party Charter: All members are.. |
suston96 |
May-14-08 11:17 AM |
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Wait...which rules 'matter'? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 12:26 PM |
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As long as the DNC rules do NOT violate the Democratic Party Charter the DNC rules can be followed. |
suston96 |
May-14-08 12:54 PM |
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I know Florida |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 01:02 PM |
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Who needs the Democratic National Party to be truly Democratic AND truly National.....? |
suston96 |
May-14-08 01:42 PM |
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exactly! My state is better than your state... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 03:24 PM |
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Not exactly. ALL states must be treated equally. Some states had early primaries..... |
suston96 |
May-14-08 04:53 PM |
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A national primary day? |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 06:59 PM |
#134 |
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"Have all the candidates run...."? Actually, many countries do exactly that..... |
suston96 |
May-14-08 07:46 PM |
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well there you go... |
stillcool47 |
May-14-08 08:16 PM |
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If it comes down to a lawsuit... |
SanchoPanza |
May-14-08 12:42 PM |
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Yes!!! The Supreme Court should pick our nominee!!! |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
May-14-08 12:52 PM |
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You can thank Bush v. Gore for rendering state election law useless n/t |
PeterU |
May-14-08 01:17 PM |
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Then why did Obama campaign in Florida (Clinton & Edwards did not)??? |
kerry-is-my-prez |
May-14-08 03:43 PM |
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national ads != local ads. n/t |
muryan |
May-14-08 07:04 PM |
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perhaps that will be for TSCOTUS to decide |
mdmc |
May-14-08 07:05 PM |
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I say, seat 'em all as uncommitted delegates |
KamaAina |
May-14-08 07:18 PM |
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You're telling this to Americans who went through the 2000 election. "Good Faith" does NOT exist. |
Poll_Blind |
May-14-08 07:22 PM |
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Politics is not a court of law, it is the art of persuasion. |
2rth2pwr |
May-14-08 08:18 PM |
#143 |
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Fl and MI will be seated |
hokies4ever |
May-14-08 08:40 PM |
#145 |
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