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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:38 PM
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84. Your vote wouldn't count in primaries either
If a candidate doesn't receive 15% of the vote in a district, they get zero delegates, just like in a caucus. The difference is, in a caucus, you can make a second choice if you wish to. If not, then your vote counted exactly as it would have in a primary.
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  -Are caucuses useful for determining our nominee? Cant trust em  May-13-08 06:16 PM   #0 
  - No. One Man = One Vote  prodn2000   May-13-08 06:17 PM   #1 
  - Federalist #10's discussion of "faction" has nothing  tishaLA   May-13-08 06:29 PM   #9 
  - Faction = A Clique or Subgroup  prodn2000   May-13-08 06:35 PM   #11 
     - You might want to brush up on Federalist #10  tishaLA   May-13-08 06:48 PM   #12 
     - Fed #10 talks about subgroups.  prodn2000   May-13-08 06:56 PM   #16 
     - so you're arguing...  tishaLA   May-13-08 07:08 PM   #21 
     - Well, they are male. This feminist doesn't want to rearrange History,  juajen   May-14-08 01:18 PM   #73 
     - You're pretty obtuse if you think caucuses are a faction...  crimsonblue   May-14-08 10:04 PM   #118 
        - It can't possibly cover all employees  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:10 PM   #119 
           - ok satan's advocate...  crimsonblue   May-14-08 10:14 PM   #121 
              - I'm questioning  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:18 PM   #124 
              - we had record turn-out in this year's caucus  hfojvt   May-15-08 03:08 AM   #135 
  - They also supported slavery and opposed term limits for president.  New Dawn   May-13-08 06:58 PM   #18 
  - No  MonkeyFunk   May-13-08 06:17 PM   #2 
  - I like them mixed in with Primaries. They do not inherently favor one  tekisui   May-13-08 06:18 PM   #3 
  - Bullshit. They are rife with bullies. So the stronger people  juajen   May-14-08 01:21 PM   #74 
  - No, it is closer to mob rule than a ballot box.  seriousstan   May-13-08 06:26 PM   #4 
  - Exactly how does the caucus system favor one candidate over the other?  kwenu   May-13-08 06:27 PM   #5 
  - That's the point of this thread. I hope we get some good responses.  Cant trust em   May-13-08 06:29 PM   #8 
  - Well it's obvious that they dont' reflect the real will of the people  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 09:44 AM   #37 
  - participating in a democracy is much easier when it only takes two minutes  Cant trust em   May-14-08 11:07 AM   #39 
     - sure  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 01:17 PM   #72 
        - You certanily make a good point, both systems have their benefits  Cant trust em   May-14-08 04:05 PM   #90 
           - ""getting together with your community" is not the distinguishing characteristic  MGKrebs   May-14-08 05:44 PM   #92 
              - I think we're discussing this somewhere downthread  Cant trust em   May-14-08 10:29 PM   #129 
  - I'll explain. It is said that Hillary's greatest support is little old ladies,  juajen   May-14-08 01:49 PM   #77 
  - no.  Texas Hill Country   May-13-08 06:27 PM   #6 
  - A system in which those who get involved and participate matter more than the apathetic?  Bucky   May-13-08 06:28 PM   #7 
  - Hey dude, who the Hell are you calling apathetic?  juajen   May-14-08 02:23 PM   #80 
  - Well the superdelegates are the most involved  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:13 PM   #120 
  - The level of commitment should not hold the balance of power. If it did we would never be  Zynx   May-15-08 03:10 AM   #136 
  - No...People shouldn't have to be trained how to vote  Secret_Society   May-13-08 06:31 PM   #10 
  - Absolutely not.  DemVet   May-13-08 06:51 PM   #13 
  - I don't like them for a variety of reasons. I've been to 3.  LisaM   May-13-08 06:54 PM   #14 
  - Yes, they're great.  New Dawn   May-13-08 06:55 PM   #15 
  - You're a riot and obviously have not read this thread. NT  juajen   May-14-08 02:31 PM   #81 
  - Maybe I don't understand the caucus system  bigwillq   May-13-08 06:56 PM   #17 
  - You don't have to chose another candidate.  justgamma   May-13-08 07:20 PM   #24 
     - So my vote doesn't really count  bigwillq   May-13-08 07:21 PM   #25 
     - Your vote wouldn't count in primaries either  Obama_for_our_future   May-14-08 02:38 PM   #84 
     - But states with viability tests don't allow you to vote for a non viable candidate.  rinsd   May-14-08 01:15 PM   #70 
  - I have loved going to my caucuses!  Undercurrent   May-13-08 07:03 PM   #19 
  - Exactly  Oak2004   May-14-08 09:42 AM   #36 
  - Do you vote for the Pres. nominee at those town hall meetings?  juajen   May-14-08 02:35 PM   #82 
  - No, we decide who will be our local officials, local policies, budgets, etc.  Oak2004   May-14-08 06:14 PM   #93 
  - What could possibly be more democratic than every single Democrat  MGKrebs   May-14-08 06:48 PM   #98 
  - You should try your local party meetings.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 06:46 PM   #97 
  - Voting in private is generally considered a good thing.  MGKrebs   May-13-08 07:03 PM   #20 
  - People will always complain about them, but here's the truth ..........  Exilednight   May-13-08 07:34 PM   #28 
     - I have no idea what you are talking about.  MGKrebs   May-13-08 08:08 PM   #30 
        - 1972 was the first nation wide primary, in the 1968 election only 13 states ........  Exilednight   May-14-08 09:03 AM   #34 
           - So NONE of the grassroots organizing that goes into GOTV  MGKrebs   May-14-08 12:51 PM   #59 
           - I've been reading up on this.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 06:44 PM   #96 
              - So what? We didn't even used to pick our own nominees. Caucuses are open to all now.  Justitia   May-14-08 08:17 PM   #100 
                 - Caucuses are open to all who can spend the time and are willing to expose themselves  MGKrebs   May-14-08 09:07 PM   #105 
                    - PA (where Hillary won) does not have early voting. If you can't vote at a certain time, tough.  Justitia   May-14-08 09:30 PM   #109 
                       - Please clarify.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 09:45 PM   #112 
                          - PA: 8 - 7, election day only, no early voting. TX has both a primary & caucus.  Justitia   May-14-08 09:52 PM   #115 
                             - Why can't you discuss this  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:17 PM   #122 
                             - OK, you are saying that the primary is the system that offers the most access,  MGKrebs   May-14-08 10:32 PM   #130 
                                - So I guess you haven't ever participated in a caucus & I guess you didn't like my explanation.  Justitia   May-15-08 02:57 AM   #134 
  - Damn useful for Obama.  aquart   May-13-08 07:09 PM   #22 
  - As they were for Bill Clinton - TWICE. Only the losers bitch about them.  Justitia   May-14-08 09:46 AM   #38 
     - Ah, "the ends justifies the means" argument.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 12:56 PM   #62 
        - Sorry, caucuses have been a tradition in Our Party long before Hillary Clinton couldn't win them.  Justitia   May-14-08 02:22 PM   #79 
           - See post #96.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 06:50 PM   #99 
           - Why not discuss the topic  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:21 PM   #125 
  - no, Caucuses are not good in my opinion. Nor are Superdelegates  musicblind   May-13-08 07:19 PM   #23 
  - No, and for the reasons you listed. You forgot to mention  DemBones DemBones   May-13-08 07:24 PM   #26 
  - I have a question for those who have primaries.  justgamma   May-13-08 07:29 PM   #27 
  - Discussion isn't the issue. It's voting in private.  MGKrebs   May-13-08 08:12 PM   #31 
  - I understand you want your vote private.  justgamma   May-13-08 10:43 PM   #32 
  - It doesn't happen. You wait in line and they give you your ballot and you mark it up.  Cant trust em   May-14-08 11:11 AM   #41 
  - Only if you consider the actual moment of voting as the only eligible  MGKrebs   May-14-08 01:01 PM   #66 
     - Right. But having caucuses on a specific day that gets major advertisement  Cant trust em   May-14-08 03:03 PM   #86 
  - Let me ask you a question... How do you elect your senators and reps?  MGKrebs   May-14-08 09:11 PM   #106 
  - I think we're coming to a good consensus here.  Cant trust em   May-14-08 11:17 AM   #42 
  - All Irrelevant Side Effects That Have Not An Iota To Do With Choosing The Best Nominee For The Party  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-14-08 11:43 AM   #44 
  - That is the great thing about the caucuses  Bettie   May-14-08 12:41 PM   #57 
  - there are state and local conventions  Bill McBlueState   May-14-08 12:56 PM   #63 
  - You can do all that at regular party meetings which is where that stuff is usually done.  rinsd   May-14-08 01:13 PM   #69 
  - Most people are far too busy to be involved in all of that.  Zynx   May-15-08 03:13 AM   #137 
  - I'd like to second justgamma's points.  Undercurrent   May-13-08 08:00 PM   #29 
  - Until we can guarantee that a primary ballot is legitimate (i.e.no electro-fraud machines)  newmajority   May-13-08 10:50 PM   #33 
  - Nonsense  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:23 PM   #126 
  - absolutely - 100 people vote and select delegates proportionately  crankychatter   May-14-08 09:06 AM   #35 
  - "Until Clinton started losing no one ever cared..."  paulk   May-14-08 09:06 PM   #104 
  - Frankly - No.  RoadRage   May-14-08 11:11 AM   #40 
  - No. They're Worthless, Completely Unrepresentative, Skewed And Should Be Totally Done Away With  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-14-08 11:41 AM   #43 
  - And If A State Doesn't Have The Bucks  otohara   May-14-08 11:48 AM   #45 
     - why did our state have a caucus instead of a primary this time  paulk   May-14-08 12:19 PM   #47 
        - Money & Low Turnout  otohara   May-14-08 02:03 PM   #78 
           - what I don't understand is - if primaries are still being held  paulk   May-14-08 02:35 PM   #83 
              - After 2008 Turnout - Primary  otohara   May-14-08 02:50 PM   #85 
  - I don't like caucuses  paulk   May-14-08 12:15 PM   #46 
  - You make some good points.  Cant trust em   May-14-08 12:27 PM   #51 
  - Hillary said that Iowa caucus was great!  IndianaGreen   May-14-08 12:20 PM   #48 
  - Caucuses were fine until Obama got into the race.  mystieus   May-14-08 12:21 PM   #49 
  - Ain't that the truth...  stillcool47   May-14-08 09:30 PM   #110 
     - No, it's not the truth  MonkeyFunk   May-14-08 10:25 PM   #128 
        - I understand the argument  stillcool47   May-14-08 10:44 PM   #131 
  - First, some definitions  IWantAnyDem   May-14-08 12:23 PM   #50 
  - I disagree with your definitions, and who "sponsors" (or counts the votes)  MGKrebs   May-14-08 08:58 PM   #103 
  - 38,571 caucuse Democrats Vs. 93,757 Democrats in the Nebraska preference primary?  indimuse   May-14-08 12:27 PM   #52 
  - Good points. Would you mind giving this a rec so we can put this on the greatest page?  Cant trust em   May-14-08 12:32 PM   #53 
  - I already did!  indimuse   May-14-08 12:59 PM   #65 
     - I'm proud of DU with this thread. It's been remarkably flame-free.  Cant trust em   May-14-08 03:20 PM   #89 
  - I dislike them  Marrah_G   May-14-08 12:36 PM   #54 
  - I wouldn't like it, but I can play that game.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 01:32 PM   #76 
  - Not really  lastliberalintexas   May-14-08 12:36 PM   #55 
  - I live in Iowa now  Bettie   May-14-08 12:36 PM   #56 
  - Construct a system that preserves the best elements of primaries & caucuses  Bill McBlueState   May-14-08 12:48 PM   #58 
  - How do you write italics in your post?  Cant trust em   May-14-08 12:55 PM   #60 
  - how to do it:  Bill McBlueState   May-14-08 01:02 PM   #67 
     - Thanks for the tip.  Cant trust em   May-14-08 03:07 PM   #88 
  - I would introduce Instant Runoff Voting to the process too.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 09:17 PM   #107 
  - "Fire House" Caucus....  PassingFair   May-14-08 10:24 PM   #127 
  - The Wyoming 'Caucus'  RichardRay   May-14-08 12:56 PM   #61 
  - I think it would be more interesting to have a poll  TheDoorbellRang   May-14-08 12:58 PM   #64 
  - I just started a poll on this  TheDoorbellRang   May-14-08 01:12 PM   #68 
  - I Agree On #2  Dinger   May-14-08 01:15 PM   #71 
  - States choose what process they want for themselves.  Cant trust em   May-14-08 03:04 PM   #87 
  - Cost is one issue.  RichardRay   May-14-08 08:37 PM   #102 
  - I think the first thing is to figure out exactly what our objective is with the nomination process  theboss   May-14-08 01:23 PM   #75 
  - they suck just like a 6 month long primary. nt  VotesForWomen   May-14-08 04:18 PM   #91 
  - Yes, they are  sniffa   May-14-08 06:14 PM   #94 
  - no, makes things much too complicated (n/t)  galledgoblin   May-14-08 06:16 PM   #95 
  - I can't believe that no one has mentioned Diebold  Condem   May-14-08 08:33 PM   #101 
  - And there is NO ONE at the caucuses trying to manipulate the voting.  MGKrebs   May-14-08 09:23 PM   #108 
  - Have you been to one, MG?  Condem   May-14-08 09:45 PM   #113 
     - You mean one for the presidential delegate selection?  MGKrebs   May-14-08 10:18 PM   #123 
  - Quite frankly, against the undemocratic nature of caucuses, I'm willing to take the risk.  Zynx   May-15-08 03:15 AM   #138 
  - They're an undemocratic farce, an engine driven by big money.  Seabiscuit   May-14-08 09:32 PM   #111 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-14-08 09:50 PM   #114 
  - I'll bet you 90% who posted here hasn't been to one  Condem   May-14-08 09:55 PM   #116 
  - On #2  quakerboy   May-14-08 09:57 PM   #117 
  - Nah  Blue_State_Elitist   May-14-08 10:50 PM   #132 
  - they are more useful than having superdelegates decide  CreekDog   May-14-08 10:59 PM   #133 
 

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