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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:29 PM
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59. Good to know.
Edited on Mon May-12-08 11:29 PM by mac2
Those secret organizations are illegal under the Logan Act. By ignoring their influence and power...we give them power over us. They never act in our best interest so it's a slap in the face to democracy is it not?
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  -Jim Webb is the best VP candidate? So no problems with his anti-women writings? sfam  May-12-08 09:53 PM   #0 
  - I think he'd be a disastrous VP choice  bicentennial_baby   May-12-08 09:55 PM   #1 
  - Needs to be either Richardson, Strickland, Rendell, Ritter, or Clinton  Unsane   May-12-08 11:51 PM   #72 
  - I think Clark provides everything Webb does, and more  AchtungToddler   May-12-08 09:56 PM   #2 
  - Does Clark bring a state even more into play like Webb does in VA?  hnmnf   May-12-08 09:57 PM   #7 
     - Webb might be more of a boost in VA, but they both help in that state  AchtungToddler   May-12-08 09:59 PM   #12 
        - I like the boost in VA thing, but Webb will hurt us in other places...not sure Clark...  sfam   May-12-08 10:02 PM   #17 
        - I think Webb helps just as much as Clark does in southern states  hnmnf   May-12-08 10:03 PM   #18 
  - he's apologized.  woolldog   May-12-08 09:56 PM   #3 
  - Of course he doesn't hate women. That's not my point. This is something the Repubs can exploit...  sfam   May-12-08 09:58 PM   #8 
  - watch this (defending himself on CNN):  woolldog   May-12-08 10:03 PM   #19 
  - EXACTLY. Do we really want our VP spending his time telling the MSM why he doesn't hate women?  sfam   May-12-08 10:15 PM   #30 
  - It was from 1979. I really don't think they can make an issue of it.  Shakespeare   May-12-08 10:30 PM   #39 
     - Wanna bet? You really don't see McCain picking a woman and then...  sfam   May-12-08 10:34 PM   #42 
        - No, I really don't.  Shakespeare   May-12-08 10:36 PM   #45 
           - Fair enough. If Webb gets selected, I'll hope your crystal ball is better than mine...nt  sfam   May-12-08 10:44 PM   #49 
  -, wow....  bicentennial_baby   May-12-08 09:58 PM   #10 
     - My 37 wives prove I love women too.  Forkboy   May-12-08 11:51 PM   #71 
  - He didnt have a women's issue in VA  hnmnf   May-12-08 09:56 PM   #4 
  - Bullshit. Not true. Not true at all.  sfam   May-12-08 09:57 PM   #6 
     - Webb did well among women in VA  hnmnf   May-12-08 09:59 PM   #11 
        - Webb barely won by less than half of 1%...This was the ONLY attack that the Repubs ran..  sfam   May-12-08 10:01 PM   #14 
           - Webb won 55 percent of the women's vote in 2006. Kerry for example won only 51%  hnmnf   May-12-08 10:06 PM   #23 
              - This was more due to the Maccaca comments...again, these ads ran non-stop...BUT AGAIN...  sfam   May-12-08 10:11 PM   #26 
  - Ouch.  anonymous171   May-12-08 09:56 PM   #5 
  - That is why I don't want him.  PM7nj   May-12-08 09:58 PM   #9 
  - Exactly. Someone like Sebelius would ensure a huge women's vote even among moderate repubs nt  sfam   May-12-08 09:59 PM   #13 
     - I think if we don't have a woman on the ticket McCain will...  PM7nj   May-12-08 10:05 PM   #21 
     - Moderate Republicans won't vote for a woman and a  mac2   May-12-08 10:53 PM   #53 
        - So how did she get so popular in a blood red state again? Just wondering...nt  sfam   May-12-08 10:54 PM   #54 
        - Maybe the Republican was a worse choice?  mac2   May-12-08 11:00 PM   #56 
        - She's Pro-Choice, in trouble with the bishop for it, not supposed to go to Communion.  patrice   May-12-08 11:57 PM   #73 
  - I'd like for him to keep that senate seat. I wonder if it would go  Ilsa   May-12-08 10:01 PM   #15 
  - YES...That is my fear too. It took a crappy candidate saying Maccaca...  sfam   May-12-08 10:06 PM   #22 
  - Military Women Endorse Webb  sandnsea   May-12-08 10:02 PM   #16 
  - I live in the DC area...I experienced the campaign daily...yes Webb dealt with this issue...  sfam   May-12-08 10:04 PM   #20 
  - Everybody will have to deal with something  sandnsea   May-12-08 10:12 PM   #27 
     - That wasn't the case in the Senate race. It was his 80s writings that caused issues...and..  sfam   May-12-08 10:13 PM   #29 
        - The man who opened the way for women's rights in the Navy?  sandnsea   May-12-08 10:20 PM   #33 
           - You miss my point. I hold NOTHING against Webb for this...but this will be an issue the Repubs...  sfam   May-12-08 10:24 PM   #34 
  - sandnsea, what do you think about Webb as VP? n/t  woolldog   May-12-08 10:07 PM   #24 
     - Other than the penis stuff in his book  sandnsea   May-12-08 10:10 PM   #25 
        - Honestly, the attacks on his fiction writings fell on deaf ears...those went nowhere...but..  sfam   May-12-08 10:12 PM   #28 
           - Compare Virginia to WV, KY, PA, OH  sandnsea   May-12-08 10:16 PM   #31 
              - His answer was that these things were based on actual events he saw, many times...  sfam   May-12-08 10:19 PM   #32 
  - I didn't know about this stuff  CaptJasHook   May-12-08 10:25 PM   #35 
  - He rethought it in the 80's  sandnsea   May-12-08 10:27 PM   #36 
  - He really has rethought his position, and is doing a great job in the Senate...Let's leave him there  sfam   May-12-08 10:27 PM   #37 
  - He's also pretty tight with the military and that worries me.  dailykoff   May-12-08 10:29 PM   #38 
  - Ferraro sucked as a candidate, so did Mondale...this is not a good reason to stay away from women...  sfam   May-12-08 10:33 PM   #40 
     - The fact that they picked Ferraro before investigating her  mac2   May-12-08 10:36 PM   #44 
        - I think they were both good candidates,  dailykoff   May-13-08 12:01 AM   #74 
  - Women in the military are being rapped and abused.  mac2   May-12-08 10:33 PM   #41 
  - I just would rather our VP augment Obama's strengths instead of sending us down a rathole...  sfam   May-12-08 10:35 PM   #43 
     - I don't like counting VPs before the primary is over.  mac2   May-12-08 10:39 PM   #46 
  - I can't think of one instance in history when a VP candidate caused the ticket to lose.  totodeinhere   May-12-08 10:41 PM   #47 
  - Fair point. Quale did not do Bush any favors...nt  sfam   May-12-08 10:43 PM   #48 
  - People didn't know much about Quale.  mac2   May-12-08 10:51 PM   #52 
  - Here's one.  mac2   May-12-08 10:50 PM   #51 
     - No, Lieberman didn't cost Gore the election. Gore won and the Repukes stole it from him.  totodeinhere   May-12-08 10:55 PM   #55 
        - There is no reason why it had to be so close.  mac2   May-12-08 11:04 PM   #58 
           - That's not the point. Lieberman may not have been popular with all Dems, but...  totodeinhere   May-13-08 07:47 AM   #77 
              - I'll say it again.  mac2   May-13-08 08:10 PM   #78 
              - I'll say it again.  totodeinhere   May-14-08 10:34 AM   #80 
              - Delete  mac2   May-13-08 08:11 PM   #79 
  - Jim Webb, bad choice for Obama  rove karl rove   May-12-08 10:44 PM   #50 
  - Webb's a good guy, but he needs to hold that Senate seat for at least one term  patrice   May-12-08 11:02 PM   #57 
  - Good to know.  mac2   May-12-08 11:29 PM   #59 
  - Nothing secret about PNAC. He didn't sign their original plan for Iraq in '97  patrice   May-12-08 11:38 PM   #60 
     - That rules him out ENTIRELY.  dailykoff   May-12-08 11:40 PM   #63 
     - Those secret groups have plans that we don't agree with.  mac2   May-12-08 11:41 PM   #64 
  - God help us another PNAC mole.  dailykoff   May-12-08 11:38 PM   #61 
     - A patriot questions his government leaders.  mac2   May-12-08 11:43 PM   #67 
        - I'm not being sarcastic.  dailykoff   May-12-08 11:46 PM   #69 
  - Wow. This is trash that was spewed on Free Republic in 2006  ButterflyBlood   May-12-08 11:40 PM   #62 
  - Google it and see it is not a Republican lie.  mac2   May-12-08 11:41 PM   #65 
  - Try rereading the OP. This is NOT about whether Webb believes this crap. This is about...  sfam   May-12-08 11:43 PM   #66 
     - These secret elite organizations exist.  mac2   May-12-08 11:46 PM   #68 
        - Just to be clear, my OP has nothing to do with secret elite organizations...I was discussing...  sfam   May-12-08 11:48 PM   #70 
  - I haven't paid much attention to the Obama/Vp threads lately  muryan   May-13-08 12:03 AM   #75 
  - I love Webb as a Senator, but he is crazy  theboss   May-13-08 12:05 AM   #76 
  - That is a good point. I also think we need his Senate seat.  beachmom   May-14-08 10:38 AM   #81 
  - sexism is ok, racism is not - dont you love the double standard?  Texas Hill Country   May-14-08 10:40 AM   #82 

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