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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #102
117. Obviously you didn't read the pledge
but I really appreciate being called a liar by someone that doesn't seem to understand what "participate" means.
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  -Hillary supporters, I am really disappointed in some of you. Pawel K  May-12-08 01:09 PM   #0 
  - ANd they know damn well that Hillary didn't care about MI until  skipos   May-12-08 01:12 PM   #1 
  - Just like the Republicans all of a sudden carrying about Iraq  hokies4ever   May-13-08 09:46 AM   #126 
  - I want to know when someone is going to tell Terry McAuliffe to stuff it  CakeGrrl   May-12-08 01:19 PM   #2 
  - Hillary, McAuliff and their schemes are no threat to us....  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 03:35 PM   #58 
  - It is pretty clear that such people are from the DLC appendage of the  bbgrunt   May-12-08 01:33 PM   #3 
  - With all due respect I disagree  Pawel K   May-12-08 01:37 PM   #4 
  - well, then they have pretty well "lost their bearings" along  bbgrunt   May-12-08 01:59 PM   #15 
     - I'm sure they don't see it that way, and I don't think it helps Obama...  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 03:38 PM   #59 
        - It's about time they opened their eyes.  bbgrunt   May-12-08 04:01 PM   #61 
           - You cannot force someone to "open thei eyes," and you can't force someone....  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 04:13 PM   #63 
              - Well, when you can  bbgrunt   May-12-08 04:39 PM   #64 
                 - Hillary supporters feel as strongly about their candidate as we do about ours...  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 04:51 PM   #67 
                    - Excellent post PA!  bluesbassman   May-12-08 11:13 PM   #69 
                    - Thank you.  emilyg   May-12-08 11:59 PM   #72 
                    - Thank you PA  Marrah_G   May-13-08 07:04 AM   #96 
                    - i certainly will- great post PA  beezlebum   May-13-08 08:40 AM   #109 
                    - It's not about who you choose to vote for!  no1dolo   May-13-08 01:19 PM   #150 
  - the DLC Dems  marions ghost   May-12-08 02:20 PM   #36 
  - Democrats stand for counting everyone's vote  OzarkDem   May-12-08 01:43 PM   #5 
  - How do you feel about Hillary saying on NHPR that MI's primary wouldn't count for anything?  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 01:45 PM   #6 
  - No other states broke the rules. Nevada and SC both petitioned, and were approved to move .........  Exilednight   May-12-08 01:53 PM   #8 
  - You haven't answered the other points  OzarkDem   May-12-08 01:54 PM   #9 
     - Ok, try this on for size.......  Exilednight   May-12-08 02:05 PM   #18 
        - The agreement was a bad one  OzarkDem   May-12-08 02:11 PM   #21 
           - They were never forced to sign anything. Please, I beg you, stop this shit.  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:18 PM   #33 
           - But still, she agreed to it, as did Obama.  oxbow   May-12-08 02:19 PM   #35 
           - The rules say the penalty..  dbmk   May-12-08 02:24 PM   #39 
           - it's funny...  evolvingsteve   May-13-08 10:59 AM   #132 
           - Cause there were guns being held to the candidates heads  ut oh   May-13-08 12:41 PM   #142 
           - So if they were forced  JFN1   May-13-08 01:32 PM   #152 
           - Forced??? they volunteered and agreed!  netgui68   May-13-08 12:50 PM   #145 
  - I agree with you, this should have been resolved before Jan 2008  Pawel K   May-12-08 01:57 PM   #13 
  - The pledge was unrealistic  OzarkDem   May-12-08 02:00 PM   #16 
     - How in the world can you possibly say that, you know you don't believe it  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:04 PM   #17 
     - I can say it very easily  OzarkDem   May-12-08 02:06 PM   #19 
        - You can say it all you want, you are only proving what I said in the OP  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:10 PM   #20 
        - Denying the voters....  pipi_k   May-13-08 07:51 AM   #99 
        - You continual 'hammering' of this point  ut oh   May-13-08 12:47 PM   #144 
     - Look, Both Obama and Hillary had to win without MI and FL that's an even playing field  Heather MC   May-13-08 07:11 AM   #97 
     - The pledge was a Clinton device to strengthen the penalties  grantcart   May-13-08 12:45 PM   #143 
     - The rules allowed for that and or any penalty  netgui68   May-13-08 12:54 PM   #146 
  - You had to take it too far  MattBaggins   May-12-08 02:52 PM   #53 
  - Speak of the Devil.  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:12 AM   #104 
  - answer this one. why ignore the people that did NOT go out and vote because they were told  seabeyond   May-13-08 08:41 AM   #110 
  - exactly seabeyond  SoFlaJet   May-13-08 09:26 AM   #123 
     - i would not have voted. i would have been so PISSED at the people who actually  seabeyond   May-13-08 09:36 AM   #124 
        - the reason they took me off the 2000 rolls  SoFlaJet   May-13-08 10:14 AM   #128 
           - wow, wow, wow  seabeyond   May-13-08 11:06 AM   #133 
              - yea those motherfuckers had it all fixed in 2000  SoFlaJet   May-13-08 11:35 AM   #137 
  - We stand for fairness in the system  ut oh   May-13-08 12:38 PM   #141 
  - Well, it's common sense.  Beacool   May-12-08 01:52 PM   #7 
  - I would accept that  Egnever   May-12-08 01:56 PM   #12 
  - Democrats in Florida  FlaGranny   May-12-08 02:15 PM   #28 
  - how 'bout they don't vote at all?  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:31 PM   #45 
  - If, as you've claimed, HRC and Obama agree on most issues...  Ken Burch   May-13-08 06:28 AM   #93 
  - Says you......  Beacool   May-12-08 02:50 PM   #52 
  - Thanks!  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:14 AM   #105 
  - I didn't say the whole state was going to  FlaGranny   May-13-08 02:05 PM   #153 
  - Thanks for the clarification Granny  mcollier   May-13-08 07:59 AM   #101 
  - um.. they disenfranchised THEMSELVES  SoCalDem   May-12-08 02:17 PM   #31 
  - Uhmmm... no... the PEOPLE of Michigan did NOT do it to ourselves.  TahitiNut   May-12-08 02:31 PM   #44 
     - That's right - because you can't be disenfranchized in a primary  sybylla   May-13-08 09:11 AM   #122 
  - You keep saying that, but here's the facts. No matter who the nominee is, we will ............  Exilednight   May-12-08 02:17 PM   #32 
  - wrong; dems have a good chance in FL; better if Clinton is the nominee.  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:34 AM   #77 
     - I disagree...  Weevlitz   May-13-08 08:37 AM   #108 
  - The Kabuki of sending "delegates" to Denver WON'T UNDO THE FUBAR.  TahitiNut   May-12-08 02:33 PM   #46 
  - And that would be fine  Prophet 451   May-13-08 04:40 AM   #80 
  - Who stirred up their anger? Who insisted they should be angry?  Kristi1696   May-13-08 09:40 AM   #125 
  - Hillary has dispensed with all sense of fair play and rules.  AtomicKitten   May-12-08 01:54 PM   #10 
  - Heh-indeedy. I'm glad you guys have the patience to actually type out the lies...  BlooInBloo   May-12-08 01:56 PM   #11 
  - Hear hear n/t  Sundoggy   May-12-08 01:57 PM   #14 
  - When did she Hillary sign a pledge saying that Michigan and Florida shouldn't count?  Bentcorner   May-12-08 02:11 PM   #22 
  - You are being dishonest  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:15 PM   #29 
  - I'm dishonest? I'm not the one stating things that aren't true....  Bentcorner   May-12-08 02:19 PM   #34 
     - When she signed the pledge her campaign came out and said that those states shouldn't count  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:26 PM   #42 
        - To be precise  dbmk   May-12-08 03:11 PM   #56 
  - It was signed on August 28..  stillcool47   May-13-08 09:59 PM   #163 
  - Who's lying?  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:12 PM   #23 
  - Hillary said on NHPR that Michigan's primary wouldn't count for anything.  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 02:14 PM   #25 
  - Again, a lie  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:16 PM   #30 
  - That's not the same thing as saying she signed a pledge stating that Michigan and Florida shouldn't  Bentcorner   May-12-08 02:22 PM   #37 
  - Hillary is ON RECORD as saying Michigan won't count. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 02:23 PM   #38 
  - It's not the end of the discussion, obviously.  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:33 PM   #47 
  - The pledge she signed not only mentioned campaigning, it mentioned paticipation  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:42 PM   #50 
  - And Obama wanted to seat the delegates  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 03:06 PM   #54 
     - Ok, so you choose to argue about what participate means?  Pawel K   May-12-08 03:15 PM   #57 
     - You're wrong  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 04:04 PM   #62 
     - You have completely ignored every claim I have made. What am I wrong about?  Pawel K   May-12-08 04:44 PM   #65 
     - If being honest, ethical, and fair cost us the General....then  netgui68   May-13-08 01:08 PM   #148 
     - You are wasting your time. It doesn't matter how much common  JeanGrey   May-13-08 05:26 AM   #82 
     - You're just wrong...  stillcool47   May-13-08 09:57 PM   #162 
  - Michigan is a reliably Democratic state  suzie   May-13-08 05:56 AM   #85 
  - End of discussion? You realize this is a discussion forum, right?  Bentcorner   May-13-08 06:08 AM   #88 
  - 15 second AUDIO CLIP of Hillary saying MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT.  GarbagemanLB   May-13-08 08:49 AM   #113 
  - You guys are trying to paint me as a liar by lying, please stop it  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:10 AM   #121 
  - An Undeniable, Unspinnable Fact  fascisthunter   May-13-08 08:45 AM   #111 
  - OH BULLSHIT  Voltaire   May-13-08 11:36 AM   #138 
  - All candidates signed on August 28...  stillcool47   May-13-08 09:46 PM   #161 
  - And they adhered to it by not campaigning in those states  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:25 PM   #41 
  - Just curious  suzie   May-13-08 05:50 AM   #84 
  - Do you have any evidence of such a pledge?  Secret_Society   May-12-08 02:13 PM   #24 
  - No, it's an elaborate hoax by the Obama campaign and the media.  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 02:14 PM   #27 
     - I assume your serious about that since you didn't provide evidence?  Secret_Society   May-12-08 02:25 PM   #40 
        - Have you read the pledge yourself? It talks about participation  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:44 PM   #51 
           - It doesn't say "Should not count" like you said it did. And by "participate", that only means  Bentcorner   May-13-08 08:54 AM   #115 
  - razzle dazzle me Chicago style..........  ElsewheresDaughter   May-12-08 02:14 PM   #26 
  - Did the DNC ask that candidates remove their names from ballots?  redqueen   May-12-08 02:28 PM   #43 
  - Oh, woe is meeeee!  Jamastiene   May-12-08 02:34 PM   #48 
  - Another person that's been here since 2003 with over 16,000 posts proves my point  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:40 PM   #49 
  - How about "Obama lost Michigan?"  Erin Elizabeth   May-12-08 03:10 PM   #55 
  - the primaries are about choosing the best candidate; if you screw FL and MI, your candidate could li  VotesForWomen   May-12-08 03:58 PM   #60 
  - "if you screw FL and MI" - and the lie continues. The state parties screwed the voters. Nobody else.  BlooInBloo   May-12-08 04:46 PM   #66 
     - they can hold their primaries whenever they want, for all i care. you're saying their votes don't co  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:40 AM   #78 
        - This Michigander got screwed by the Dems  shaniqua6392   May-13-08 07:47 AM   #98 
        - hear, hear. one-day national primary. nt  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:40 PM   #156 
        - of course they can hold their primaries whenever they want  habitual   May-13-08 07:53 AM   #100 
  - According to the DNC rules, if a state breaks the rules - 50% of their delegates count.  pirhana   May-12-08 05:06 PM   #68 
  - Actually, The Rules State That The State Automatically Loses  lligrd   May-12-08 11:28 PM   #70 
  - in my opinion-- the only people that have the right to be outraged...  IndependentDem   May-12-08 11:43 PM   #71 
  - Totally agree with you  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:01 AM   #116 
  - I'm sorry I disappoint  emilyg   May-13-08 12:06 AM   #73 
  - My favorite is the guy who insists "if you believe in math, you are a tool"  IronLionZion   May-13-08 01:43 AM   #74 
  - You are lying  bamalib   May-13-08 02:34 AM   #75 
  - i disagree with your version of events, but did you ever stop and think that dems might just need FL  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:31 AM   #76 
  - Do you realize it would be political suicide for the dem party to award the nomination to HRC?  rosebud57   May-13-08 04:01 AM   #79 
     - Even if she win the popular vote?  Bentcorner   May-13-08 06:11 AM   #90 
     - it's idiotic to say there is a popular vote  IronLionZion   May-13-08 08:47 AM   #112 
        - Sorry you feel the need to be so rude. What if more people vote for  Bentcorner   May-13-08 08:50 AM   #114 
           - What if horses had horns?  IronLionZion   May-13-08 10:24 AM   #129 
           - NO  Voltaire   May-13-08 11:41 AM   #140 
     - so we're going to lose either way? you may be right. nt  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:41 PM   #157 
  - Also FL rules say you can't take candidates names off the ballot. You sign a contract by honor you s  barack the house   May-13-08 04:54 AM   #81 
  - You're the dumb one, not the Clinton supporters  unlawflcombatnt   May-13-08 05:31 AM   #83 
  - You've been here almost 4 years, over 2000 posts  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:05 AM   #118 
  - Until the bitter end...  Jamastiene   May-13-08 06:03 AM   #86 
  - I am not a big fan of Senator Clinton but....  shaniqua6392   May-13-08 06:06 AM   #87 
  - I don't see it that way...  Towlie   May-13-08 06:33 AM   #94 
  - Your "stupid neighbors" did the right thing.  PeterU   May-14-08 12:49 PM   #169 
  - So you're going to stay home and let McSame win?  Raineyb   May-14-08 01:58 PM   #170 
  - That's okay, I am pretty disappointed in a fair share of Obama supporters here also  Marrah_G   May-13-08 06:10 AM   #89 
  - Very much so  OzarkDem   May-13-08 06:15 AM   #91 
  - That's not being very nice to Clinton supporters... only a relatively small minority  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:17 AM   #106 
  - Cheers  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:07 AM   #119 
  - K & R  democracy1st   May-13-08 06:19 AM   #92 
  - Sorry, Dad  Crisco   May-13-08 06:36 AM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-08 07:59 AM   #102 
  - Obviously you didn't read the pledge  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:02 AM   #117 
  - My thoughts exactly. I hope they return to their senses. To be fair though,  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:12 AM   #103 
  - I will support any Dem over McCain as I have always said.... BUT  glenhappy   May-13-08 08:29 AM   #107 
  - and if my aunt had nads she'd be my uncle  frylock   May-13-08 11:08 AM   #134 
  - Big surprise.....  BlackVelvet04   May-13-08 09:08 AM   #120 
  - Nothing any politician did should disenfranchise voters.  Deep13   May-13-08 10:04 AM   #127 
  - I'm neutral in this race, but I have a question -- why should Florida Dems  pnwmom   May-13-08 10:39 AM   #130 
  - Actually it was the Florida legislature, not the governor  kay1864   May-13-08 11:16 AM   #135 
     - Crist led the push and the majority Republicans agreed.  pnwmom   May-13-08 02:51 PM   #154 
        - And they could have taken a principled stand  kay1864   May-13-08 03:30 PM   #155 
           - Too many unpopular "principled stands" lead to being voted out in the next  pnwmom   May-13-08 05:07 PM   #158 
              - The principle? Simple.  kay1864   May-13-08 08:55 PM   #160 
                 - Not much of a principle, IMHO.  pnwmom   May-13-08 10:45 PM   #164 
                    - Now you're talking about the *outcome*, not the *principle*  kay1864   May-14-08 08:40 AM   #165 
                       - I mean that obeying the DNC is not much of a principle.  pnwmom   May-14-08 11:35 AM   #166 
                          - Well, that's kind of the point of a principled stand, now isn't it?  kay1864   May-14-08 12:01 PM   #167 
  - It doesn't matter which candidate you support.  PeterU   May-13-08 10:41 AM   #131 
  - You are totally right that the voters themselves  bbgrunt   May-13-08 11:29 AM   #136 
  - But you are asking the rest of the country to accept a tainted election (AGAIN in Florida's case)...  calipendence   May-13-08 11:38 AM   #139 
     - I don't mean any harm but I really feel like her supporters  Liberal_Stalwart71   May-13-08 12:56 PM   #147 
     - My favorite is "they are about tied and she is almost as popular"  rosebud57   May-13-08 07:55 PM   #159 
     - Bingo...absolutely the fair thing to do...I WONDER....  netgui68   May-13-08 01:14 PM   #149 
        - And usually you don't threaten the cop if you expect better treatment either!  calipendence   May-13-08 01:27 PM   #151 
  - That this is SUCH a subject of outrage for you....  PeterU   May-14-08 12:42 PM   #168 

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