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103. My thoughts exactly. I hope they return to their senses. To be fair though,
it really is a very small minority of her supporters that have truly lost it.

The rest are either too polite to be so noticeable, or they realize that it's over and have opted not to exacerbate things.
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  -Hillary supporters, I am really disappointed in some of you. Pawel K  May-12-08 01:09 PM   #0 
  - ANd they know damn well that Hillary didn't care about MI until  skipos   May-12-08 01:12 PM   #1 
  - Just like the Republicans all of a sudden carrying about Iraq  hokies4ever   May-13-08 09:46 AM   #126 
  - I want to know when someone is going to tell Terry McAuliffe to stuff it  CakeGrrl   May-12-08 01:19 PM   #2 
  - Hillary, McAuliff and their schemes are no threat to us....  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 03:35 PM   #58 
  - It is pretty clear that such people are from the DLC appendage of the  bbgrunt   May-12-08 01:33 PM   #3 
  - With all due respect I disagree  Pawel K   May-12-08 01:37 PM   #4 
  - well, then they have pretty well "lost their bearings" along  bbgrunt   May-12-08 01:59 PM   #15 
     - I'm sure they don't see it that way, and I don't think it helps Obama...  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 03:38 PM   #59 
        - It's about time they opened their eyes.  bbgrunt   May-12-08 04:01 PM   #61 
           - You cannot force someone to "open thei eyes," and you can't force someone....  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 04:13 PM   #63 
              - Well, when you can  bbgrunt   May-12-08 04:39 PM   #64 
                 - Hillary supporters feel as strongly about their candidate as we do about ours...  PoliticalAmazon   May-12-08 04:51 PM   #67 
                    - Excellent post PA!  bluesbassman   May-12-08 11:13 PM   #69 
                    - Thank you.  emilyg   May-12-08 11:59 PM   #72 
                    - Thank you PA  Marrah_G   May-13-08 07:04 AM   #96 
                    - i certainly will- great post PA  beezlebum   May-13-08 08:40 AM   #109 
                    - It's not about who you choose to vote for!  no1dolo   May-13-08 01:19 PM   #150 
  - the DLC Dems  marions ghost   May-12-08 02:20 PM   #36 
  - Democrats stand for counting everyone's vote  OzarkDem   May-12-08 01:43 PM   #5 
  - How do you feel about Hillary saying on NHPR that MI's primary wouldn't count for anything?  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 01:45 PM   #6 
  - No other states broke the rules. Nevada and SC both petitioned, and were approved to move .........  Exilednight   May-12-08 01:53 PM   #8 
  - You haven't answered the other points  OzarkDem   May-12-08 01:54 PM   #9 
     - Ok, try this on for size.......  Exilednight   May-12-08 02:05 PM   #18 
        - The agreement was a bad one  OzarkDem   May-12-08 02:11 PM   #21 
           - They were never forced to sign anything. Please, I beg you, stop this shit.  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:18 PM   #33 
           - But still, she agreed to it, as did Obama.  oxbow   May-12-08 02:19 PM   #35 
           - The rules say the penalty..  dbmk   May-12-08 02:24 PM   #39 
           - it's funny...  evolvingsteve   May-13-08 10:59 AM   #132 
           - Cause there were guns being held to the candidates heads  ut oh   May-13-08 12:41 PM   #142 
           - So if they were forced  JFN1   May-13-08 01:32 PM   #152 
           - Forced??? they volunteered and agreed!  netgui68   May-13-08 12:50 PM   #145 
  - I agree with you, this should have been resolved before Jan 2008  Pawel K   May-12-08 01:57 PM   #13 
  - The pledge was unrealistic  OzarkDem   May-12-08 02:00 PM   #16 
     - How in the world can you possibly say that, you know you don't believe it  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:04 PM   #17 
     - I can say it very easily  OzarkDem   May-12-08 02:06 PM   #19 
        - You can say it all you want, you are only proving what I said in the OP  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:10 PM   #20 
        - Denying the voters....  pipi_k   May-13-08 07:51 AM   #99 
        - You continual 'hammering' of this point  ut oh   May-13-08 12:47 PM   #144 
     - Look, Both Obama and Hillary had to win without MI and FL that's an even playing field  Heather MC   May-13-08 07:11 AM   #97 
     - The pledge was a Clinton device to strengthen the penalties  grantcart   May-13-08 12:45 PM   #143 
     - The rules allowed for that and or any penalty  netgui68   May-13-08 12:54 PM   #146 
  - You had to take it too far  MattBaggins   May-12-08 02:52 PM   #53 
  - Speak of the Devil.  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:12 AM   #104 
  - answer this one. why ignore the people that did NOT go out and vote because they were told  seabeyond   May-13-08 08:41 AM   #110 
  - exactly seabeyond  SoFlaJet   May-13-08 09:26 AM   #123 
     - i would not have voted. i would have been so PISSED at the people who actually  seabeyond   May-13-08 09:36 AM   #124 
        - the reason they took me off the 2000 rolls  SoFlaJet   May-13-08 10:14 AM   #128 
           - wow, wow, wow  seabeyond   May-13-08 11:06 AM   #133 
              - yea those motherfuckers had it all fixed in 2000  SoFlaJet   May-13-08 11:35 AM   #137 
  - We stand for fairness in the system  ut oh   May-13-08 12:38 PM   #141 
  - Well, it's common sense.  Beacool   May-12-08 01:52 PM   #7 
  - I would accept that  Egnever   May-12-08 01:56 PM   #12 
  - Democrats in Florida  FlaGranny   May-12-08 02:15 PM   #28 
  - how 'bout they don't vote at all?  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:31 PM   #45 
  - If, as you've claimed, HRC and Obama agree on most issues...  Ken Burch   May-13-08 06:28 AM   #93 
  - Says you......  Beacool   May-12-08 02:50 PM   #52 
  - Thanks!  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:14 AM   #105 
  - I didn't say the whole state was going to  FlaGranny   May-13-08 02:05 PM   #153 
  - Thanks for the clarification Granny  mcollier   May-13-08 07:59 AM   #101 
  - um.. they disenfranchised THEMSELVES  SoCalDem   May-12-08 02:17 PM   #31 
  - Uhmmm... no... the PEOPLE of Michigan did NOT do it to ourselves.  TahitiNut   May-12-08 02:31 PM   #44 
     - That's right - because you can't be disenfranchized in a primary  sybylla   May-13-08 09:11 AM   #122 
  - You keep saying that, but here's the facts. No matter who the nominee is, we will ............  Exilednight   May-12-08 02:17 PM   #32 
  - wrong; dems have a good chance in FL; better if Clinton is the nominee.  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:34 AM   #77 
     - I disagree...  Weevlitz   May-13-08 08:37 AM   #108 
  - The Kabuki of sending "delegates" to Denver WON'T UNDO THE FUBAR.  TahitiNut   May-12-08 02:33 PM   #46 
  - And that would be fine  Prophet 451   May-13-08 04:40 AM   #80 
  - Who stirred up their anger? Who insisted they should be angry?  Kristi1696   May-13-08 09:40 AM   #125 
  - Hillary has dispensed with all sense of fair play and rules.  AtomicKitten   May-12-08 01:54 PM   #10 
  - Heh-indeedy. I'm glad you guys have the patience to actually type out the lies...  BlooInBloo   May-12-08 01:56 PM   #11 
  - Hear hear n/t  Sundoggy   May-12-08 01:57 PM   #14 
  - When did she Hillary sign a pledge saying that Michigan and Florida shouldn't count?  Bentcorner   May-12-08 02:11 PM   #22 
  - You are being dishonest  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:15 PM   #29 
  - I'm dishonest? I'm not the one stating things that aren't true....  Bentcorner   May-12-08 02:19 PM   #34 
     - When she signed the pledge her campaign came out and said that those states shouldn't count  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:26 PM   #42 
        - To be precise  dbmk   May-12-08 03:11 PM   #56 
  - It was signed on August 28..  stillcool47   May-13-08 09:59 PM   #163 
  - Who's lying?  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:12 PM   #23 
  - Hillary said on NHPR that Michigan's primary wouldn't count for anything.  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 02:14 PM   #25 
  - Again, a lie  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:16 PM   #30 
  - That's not the same thing as saying she signed a pledge stating that Michigan and Florida shouldn't  Bentcorner   May-12-08 02:22 PM   #37 
  - Hillary is ON RECORD as saying Michigan won't count. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 02:23 PM   #38 
  - It's not the end of the discussion, obviously.  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:33 PM   #47 
  - The pledge she signed not only mentioned campaigning, it mentioned paticipation  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:42 PM   #50 
  - And Obama wanted to seat the delegates  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 03:06 PM   #54 
     - Ok, so you choose to argue about what participate means?  Pawel K   May-12-08 03:15 PM   #57 
     - You're wrong  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 04:04 PM   #62 
     - You have completely ignored every claim I have made. What am I wrong about?  Pawel K   May-12-08 04:44 PM   #65 
     - If being honest, ethical, and fair cost us the General....then  netgui68   May-13-08 01:08 PM   #148 
     - You are wasting your time. It doesn't matter how much common  JeanGrey   May-13-08 05:26 AM   #82 
     - You're just wrong...  stillcool47   May-13-08 09:57 PM   #162 
  - Michigan is a reliably Democratic state  suzie   May-13-08 05:56 AM   #85 
  - End of discussion? You realize this is a discussion forum, right?  Bentcorner   May-13-08 06:08 AM   #88 
  - 15 second AUDIO CLIP of Hillary saying MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT.  GarbagemanLB   May-13-08 08:49 AM   #113 
  - You guys are trying to paint me as a liar by lying, please stop it  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:10 AM   #121 
  - An Undeniable, Unspinnable Fact  fascisthunter   May-13-08 08:45 AM   #111 
  - OH BULLSHIT  Voltaire   May-13-08 11:36 AM   #138 
  - All candidates signed on August 28...  stillcool47   May-13-08 09:46 PM   #161 
  - And they adhered to it by not campaigning in those states  MonkeyFunk   May-12-08 02:25 PM   #41 
  - Just curious  suzie   May-13-08 05:50 AM   #84 
  - Do you have any evidence of such a pledge?  Secret_Society   May-12-08 02:13 PM   #24 
  - No, it's an elaborate hoax by the Obama campaign and the media.  GarbagemanLB   May-12-08 02:14 PM   #27 
     - I assume your serious about that since you didn't provide evidence?  Secret_Society   May-12-08 02:25 PM   #40 
        - Have you read the pledge yourself? It talks about participation  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:44 PM   #51 
           - It doesn't say "Should not count" like you said it did. And by "participate", that only means  Bentcorner   May-13-08 08:54 AM   #115 
  - razzle dazzle me Chicago style..........  ElsewheresDaughter   May-12-08 02:14 PM   #26 
  - Did the DNC ask that candidates remove their names from ballots?  redqueen   May-12-08 02:28 PM   #43 
  - Oh, woe is meeeee!  Jamastiene   May-12-08 02:34 PM   #48 
  - Another person that's been here since 2003 with over 16,000 posts proves my point  Pawel K   May-12-08 02:40 PM   #49 
  - How about "Obama lost Michigan?"  Erin Elizabeth   May-12-08 03:10 PM   #55 
  - the primaries are about choosing the best candidate; if you screw FL and MI, your candidate could li  VotesForWomen   May-12-08 03:58 PM   #60 
  - "if you screw FL and MI" - and the lie continues. The state parties screwed the voters. Nobody else.  BlooInBloo   May-12-08 04:46 PM   #66 
     - they can hold their primaries whenever they want, for all i care. you're saying their votes don't co  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:40 AM   #78 
        - This Michigander got screwed by the Dems  shaniqua6392   May-13-08 07:47 AM   #98 
        - hear, hear. one-day national primary. nt  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:40 PM   #156 
        - of course they can hold their primaries whenever they want  habitual   May-13-08 07:53 AM   #100 
  - According to the DNC rules, if a state breaks the rules - 50% of their delegates count.  pirhana   May-12-08 05:06 PM   #68 
  - Actually, The Rules State That The State Automatically Loses  lligrd   May-12-08 11:28 PM   #70 
  - in my opinion-- the only people that have the right to be outraged...  IndependentDem   May-12-08 11:43 PM   #71 
  - Totally agree with you  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:01 AM   #116 
  - I'm sorry I disappoint  emilyg   May-13-08 12:06 AM   #73 
  - My favorite is the guy who insists "if you believe in math, you are a tool"  IronLionZion   May-13-08 01:43 AM   #74 
  - You are lying  bamalib   May-13-08 02:34 AM   #75 
  - i disagree with your version of events, but did you ever stop and think that dems might just need FL  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:31 AM   #76 
  - Do you realize it would be political suicide for the dem party to award the nomination to HRC?  rosebud57   May-13-08 04:01 AM   #79 
     - Even if she win the popular vote?  Bentcorner   May-13-08 06:11 AM   #90 
     - it's idiotic to say there is a popular vote  IronLionZion   May-13-08 08:47 AM   #112 
        - Sorry you feel the need to be so rude. What if more people vote for  Bentcorner   May-13-08 08:50 AM   #114 
           - What if horses had horns?  IronLionZion   May-13-08 10:24 AM   #129 
           - NO  Voltaire   May-13-08 11:41 AM   #140 
     - so we're going to lose either way? you may be right. nt  VotesForWomen   May-13-08 03:41 PM   #157 
  - Also FL rules say you can't take candidates names off the ballot. You sign a contract by honor you s  barack the house   May-13-08 04:54 AM   #81 
  - You're the dumb one, not the Clinton supporters  unlawflcombatnt   May-13-08 05:31 AM   #83 
  - You've been here almost 4 years, over 2000 posts  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:05 AM   #118 
  - Until the bitter end...  Jamastiene   May-13-08 06:03 AM   #86 
  - I am not a big fan of Senator Clinton but....  shaniqua6392   May-13-08 06:06 AM   #87 
  - I don't see it that way...  Towlie   May-13-08 06:33 AM   #94 
  - Your "stupid neighbors" did the right thing.  PeterU   May-14-08 12:49 PM   #169 
  - So you're going to stay home and let McSame win?  Raineyb   May-14-08 01:58 PM   #170 
  - That's okay, I am pretty disappointed in a fair share of Obama supporters here also  Marrah_G   May-13-08 06:10 AM   #89 
  - Very much so  OzarkDem   May-13-08 06:15 AM   #91 
  - That's not being very nice to Clinton supporters... only a relatively small minority  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:17 AM   #106 
  - Cheers  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:07 AM   #119 
  - K & R  democracy1st   May-13-08 06:19 AM   #92 
  - Sorry, Dad  Crisco   May-13-08 06:36 AM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-08 07:59 AM   #102 
  - Obviously you didn't read the pledge  Pawel K   May-13-08 09:02 AM   #117 
  - My thoughts exactly. I hope they return to their senses. To be fair though,  Dr_eldritch   May-13-08 08:12 AM   #103 
  - I will support any Dem over McCain as I have always said.... BUT  glenhappy   May-13-08 08:29 AM   #107 
  - and if my aunt had nads she'd be my uncle  frylock   May-13-08 11:08 AM   #134 
  - Big surprise.....  BlackVelvet04   May-13-08 09:08 AM   #120 
  - Nothing any politician did should disenfranchise voters.  Deep13   May-13-08 10:04 AM   #127 
  - I'm neutral in this race, but I have a question -- why should Florida Dems  pnwmom   May-13-08 10:39 AM   #130 
  - Actually it was the Florida legislature, not the governor  kay1864   May-13-08 11:16 AM   #135 
     - Crist led the push and the majority Republicans agreed.  pnwmom   May-13-08 02:51 PM   #154 
        - And they could have taken a principled stand  kay1864   May-13-08 03:30 PM   #155 
           - Too many unpopular "principled stands" lead to being voted out in the next  pnwmom   May-13-08 05:07 PM   #158 
              - The principle? Simple.  kay1864   May-13-08 08:55 PM   #160 
                 - Not much of a principle, IMHO.  pnwmom   May-13-08 10:45 PM   #164 
                    - Now you're talking about the *outcome*, not the *principle*  kay1864   May-14-08 08:40 AM   #165 
                       - I mean that obeying the DNC is not much of a principle.  pnwmom   May-14-08 11:35 AM   #166 
                          - Well, that's kind of the point of a principled stand, now isn't it?  kay1864   May-14-08 12:01 PM   #167 
  - It doesn't matter which candidate you support.  PeterU   May-13-08 10:41 AM   #131 
  - You are totally right that the voters themselves  bbgrunt   May-13-08 11:29 AM   #136 
  - But you are asking the rest of the country to accept a tainted election (AGAIN in Florida's case)...  calipendence   May-13-08 11:38 AM   #139 
     - I don't mean any harm but I really feel like her supporters  Liberal_Stalwart71   May-13-08 12:56 PM   #147 
     - My favorite is "they are about tied and she is almost as popular"  rosebud57   May-13-08 07:55 PM   #159 
     - Bingo...absolutely the fair thing to do...I WONDER....  netgui68   May-13-08 01:14 PM   #149 
        - And usually you don't threaten the cop if you expect better treatment either!  calipendence   May-13-08 01:27 PM   #151 
  - That this is SUCH a subject of outrage for you....  PeterU   May-14-08 12:42 PM   #168 
 

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