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Tue May-13-08 06:28 AM
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| 93. If, as you've claimed, HRC and Obama agree on most issues... |
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Why would Florida refuse to vote for the party unless HRC was imposed as the nominee(I say imposed since both of us now know she can't win the overall popular vote or the pledged delegate competition).
Why are you so committed to simply parroting the HRC line?
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| -Hillary supporters, I am really disappointed in some of you. |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 01:09 PM |
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ANd they know damn well that Hillary didn't care about MI until |
skipos |
May-12-08 01:12 PM |
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Just like the Republicans all of a sudden carrying about Iraq |
hokies4ever |
May-13-08 09:46 AM |
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I want to know when someone is going to tell Terry McAuliffe to stuff it |
CakeGrrl |
May-12-08 01:19 PM |
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Hillary, McAuliff and their schemes are no threat to us.... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 03:35 PM |
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It is pretty clear that such people are from the DLC appendage of the |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 01:33 PM |
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With all due respect I disagree |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 01:37 PM |
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well, then they have pretty well "lost their bearings" along |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 01:59 PM |
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I'm sure they don't see it that way, and I don't think it helps Obama... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 03:38 PM |
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It's about time they opened their eyes. |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 04:01 PM |
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You cannot force someone to "open thei eyes," and you can't force someone.... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 04:13 PM |
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Well, when you can |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 04:39 PM |
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Hillary supporters feel as strongly about their candidate as we do about ours... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 04:51 PM |
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Excellent post PA! |
bluesbassman |
May-12-08 11:13 PM |
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Thank you. |
emilyg |
May-12-08 11:59 PM |
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Thank you PA |
Marrah_G |
May-13-08 07:04 AM |
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i certainly will- great post PA |
beezlebum |
May-13-08 08:40 AM |
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It's not about who you choose to vote for! |
no1dolo |
May-13-08 01:19 PM |
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the DLC Dems |
marions ghost |
May-12-08 02:20 PM |
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Democrats stand for counting everyone's vote |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 01:43 PM |
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How do you feel about Hillary saying on NHPR that MI's primary wouldn't count for anything? |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 01:45 PM |
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No other states broke the rules. Nevada and SC both petitioned, and were approved to move ......... |
Exilednight |
May-12-08 01:53 PM |
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You haven't answered the other points |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 01:54 PM |
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Ok, try this on for size....... |
Exilednight |
May-12-08 02:05 PM |
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The agreement was a bad one |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 02:11 PM |
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They were never forced to sign anything. Please, I beg you, stop this shit. |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:18 PM |
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But still, she agreed to it, as did Obama. |
oxbow |
May-12-08 02:19 PM |
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The rules say the penalty.. |
dbmk |
May-12-08 02:24 PM |
#39 |
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it's funny... |
evolvingsteve |
May-13-08 10:59 AM |
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Cause there were guns being held to the candidates heads |
ut oh |
May-13-08 12:41 PM |
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So if they were forced |
JFN1 |
May-13-08 01:32 PM |
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Forced??? they volunteered and agreed! |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 12:50 PM |
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I agree with you, this should have been resolved before Jan 2008 |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 01:57 PM |
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The pledge was unrealistic |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 02:00 PM |
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How in the world can you possibly say that, you know you don't believe it |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:04 PM |
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I can say it very easily |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 02:06 PM |
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You can say it all you want, you are only proving what I said in the OP |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:10 PM |
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Denying the voters.... |
pipi_k |
May-13-08 07:51 AM |
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You continual 'hammering' of this point |
ut oh |
May-13-08 12:47 PM |
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Look, Both Obama and Hillary had to win without MI and FL that's an even playing field |
Heather MC |
May-13-08 07:11 AM |
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The pledge was a Clinton device to strengthen the penalties |
grantcart |
May-13-08 12:45 PM |
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The rules allowed for that and or any penalty |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 12:54 PM |
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You had to take it too far |
MattBaggins |
May-12-08 02:52 PM |
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Speak of the Devil. |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:12 AM |
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answer this one. why ignore the people that did NOT go out and vote because they were told |
seabeyond |
May-13-08 08:41 AM |
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exactly seabeyond |
SoFlaJet |
May-13-08 09:26 AM |
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i would not have voted. i would have been so PISSED at the people who actually |
seabeyond |
May-13-08 09:36 AM |
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the reason they took me off the 2000 rolls |
SoFlaJet |
May-13-08 10:14 AM |
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wow, wow, wow |
seabeyond |
May-13-08 11:06 AM |
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yea those motherfuckers had it all fixed in 2000 |
SoFlaJet |
May-13-08 11:35 AM |
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We stand for fairness in the system |
ut oh |
May-13-08 12:38 PM |
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Well, it's common sense. |
Beacool |
May-12-08 01:52 PM |
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I would accept that |
Egnever |
May-12-08 01:56 PM |
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Democrats in Florida |
FlaGranny |
May-12-08 02:15 PM |
#28 |
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how 'bout they don't vote at all? |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:31 PM |
#45 |
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If, as you've claimed, HRC and Obama agree on most issues... |
Ken Burch |
May-13-08 06:28 AM |
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Says you...... |
Beacool |
May-12-08 02:50 PM |
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Thanks! |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:14 AM |
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I didn't say the whole state was going to |
FlaGranny |
May-13-08 02:05 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification Granny |
mcollier |
May-13-08 07:59 AM |
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um.. they disenfranchised THEMSELVES |
SoCalDem |
May-12-08 02:17 PM |
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Uhmmm... no... the PEOPLE of Michigan did NOT do it to ourselves. |
TahitiNut |
May-12-08 02:31 PM |
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That's right - because you can't be disenfranchized in a primary |
sybylla |
May-13-08 09:11 AM |
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You keep saying that, but here's the facts. No matter who the nominee is, we will ............ |
Exilednight |
May-12-08 02:17 PM |
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wrong; dems have a good chance in FL; better if Clinton is the nominee. |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:34 AM |
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I disagree... |
Weevlitz |
May-13-08 08:37 AM |
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The Kabuki of sending "delegates" to Denver WON'T UNDO THE FUBAR. |
TahitiNut |
May-12-08 02:33 PM |
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And that would be fine |
Prophet 451 |
May-13-08 04:40 AM |
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Who stirred up their anger? Who insisted they should be angry? |
Kristi1696 |
May-13-08 09:40 AM |
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Hillary has dispensed with all sense of fair play and rules. |
AtomicKitten |
May-12-08 01:54 PM |
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Heh-indeedy. I'm glad you guys have the patience to actually type out the lies... |
BlooInBloo |
May-12-08 01:56 PM |
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Hear hear n/t |
Sundoggy |
May-12-08 01:57 PM |
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When did she Hillary sign a pledge saying that Michigan and Florida shouldn't count? |
Bentcorner |
May-12-08 02:11 PM |
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You are being dishonest |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:15 PM |
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I'm dishonest? I'm not the one stating things that aren't true.... |
Bentcorner |
May-12-08 02:19 PM |
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When she signed the pledge her campaign came out and said that those states shouldn't count |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:26 PM |
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To be precise |
dbmk |
May-12-08 03:11 PM |
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It was signed on August 28.. |
stillcool47 |
May-13-08 09:59 PM |
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Who's lying? |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:12 PM |
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Hillary said on NHPR that Michigan's primary wouldn't count for anything. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 02:14 PM |
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Again, a lie |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:16 PM |
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That's not the same thing as saying she signed a pledge stating that Michigan and Florida shouldn't |
Bentcorner |
May-12-08 02:22 PM |
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Hillary is ON RECORD as saying Michigan won't count. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 02:23 PM |
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It's not the end of the discussion, obviously. |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:33 PM |
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The pledge she signed not only mentioned campaigning, it mentioned paticipation |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:42 PM |
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And Obama wanted to seat the delegates |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 03:06 PM |
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Ok, so you choose to argue about what participate means? |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 03:15 PM |
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You're wrong |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 04:04 PM |
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You have completely ignored every claim I have made. What am I wrong about? |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 04:44 PM |
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If being honest, ethical, and fair cost us the General....then |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 01:08 PM |
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You are wasting your time. It doesn't matter how much common |
JeanGrey |
May-13-08 05:26 AM |
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You're just wrong... |
stillcool47 |
May-13-08 09:57 PM |
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Michigan is a reliably Democratic state |
suzie |
May-13-08 05:56 AM |
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End of discussion? You realize this is a discussion forum, right? |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 06:08 AM |
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15 second AUDIO CLIP of Hillary saying MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-13-08 08:49 AM |
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You guys are trying to paint me as a liar by lying, please stop it |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:10 AM |
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An Undeniable, Unspinnable Fact |
fascisthunter |
May-13-08 08:45 AM |
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OH BULLSHIT |
Voltaire |
May-13-08 11:36 AM |
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All candidates signed on August 28... |
stillcool47 |
May-13-08 09:46 PM |
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And they adhered to it by not campaigning in those states |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:25 PM |
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Just curious |
suzie |
May-13-08 05:50 AM |
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Do you have any evidence of such a pledge? |
Secret_Society |
May-12-08 02:13 PM |
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No, it's an elaborate hoax by the Obama campaign and the media. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 02:14 PM |
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I assume your serious about that since you didn't provide evidence? |
Secret_Society |
May-12-08 02:25 PM |
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Have you read the pledge yourself? It talks about participation |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:44 PM |
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It doesn't say "Should not count" like you said it did. And by "participate", that only means |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 08:54 AM |
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razzle dazzle me Chicago style.......... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
May-12-08 02:14 PM |
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Did the DNC ask that candidates remove their names from ballots? |
redqueen |
May-12-08 02:28 PM |
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Oh, woe is meeeee! |
Jamastiene |
May-12-08 02:34 PM |
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Another person that's been here since 2003 with over 16,000 posts proves my point |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:40 PM |
#49 |
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How about "Obama lost Michigan?" |
Erin Elizabeth |
May-12-08 03:10 PM |
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the primaries are about choosing the best candidate; if you screw FL and MI, your candidate could li |
VotesForWomen |
May-12-08 03:58 PM |
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"if you screw FL and MI" - and the lie continues. The state parties screwed the voters. Nobody else. |
BlooInBloo |
May-12-08 04:46 PM |
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they can hold their primaries whenever they want, for all i care. you're saying their votes don't co |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:40 AM |
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This Michigander got screwed by the Dems |
shaniqua6392 |
May-13-08 07:47 AM |
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hear, hear. one-day national primary. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:40 PM |
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of course they can hold their primaries whenever they want |
habitual |
May-13-08 07:53 AM |
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According to the DNC rules, if a state breaks the rules - 50% of their delegates count. |
pirhana |
May-12-08 05:06 PM |
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Actually, The Rules State That The State Automatically Loses |
lligrd |
May-12-08 11:28 PM |
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in my opinion-- the only people that have the right to be outraged... |
IndependentDem |
May-12-08 11:43 PM |
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Totally agree with you |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:01 AM |
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I'm sorry I disappoint |
emilyg |
May-13-08 12:06 AM |
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My favorite is the guy who insists "if you believe in math, you are a tool" |
IronLionZion |
May-13-08 01:43 AM |
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You are lying |
bamalib |
May-13-08 02:34 AM |
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i disagree with your version of events, but did you ever stop and think that dems might just need FL |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:31 AM |
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Do you realize it would be political suicide for the dem party to award the nomination to HRC? |
rosebud57 |
May-13-08 04:01 AM |
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Even if she win the popular vote? |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 06:11 AM |
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it's idiotic to say there is a popular vote |
IronLionZion |
May-13-08 08:47 AM |
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Sorry you feel the need to be so rude. What if more people vote for |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 08:50 AM |
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What if horses had horns? |
IronLionZion |
May-13-08 10:24 AM |
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NO |
Voltaire |
May-13-08 11:41 AM |
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so we're going to lose either way? you may be right. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:41 PM |
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Also FL rules say you can't take candidates names off the ballot. You sign a contract by honor you s |
barack the house |
May-13-08 04:54 AM |
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You're the dumb one, not the Clinton supporters |
unlawflcombatnt |
May-13-08 05:31 AM |
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You've been here almost 4 years, over 2000 posts |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:05 AM |
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Until the bitter end... |
Jamastiene |
May-13-08 06:03 AM |
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I am not a big fan of Senator Clinton but.... |
shaniqua6392 |
May-13-08 06:06 AM |
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I don't see it that way... |
Towlie |
May-13-08 06:33 AM |
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Your "stupid neighbors" did the right thing. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 12:49 PM |
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So you're going to stay home and let McSame win? |
Raineyb |
May-14-08 01:58 PM |
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That's okay, I am pretty disappointed in a fair share of Obama supporters here also |
Marrah_G |
May-13-08 06:10 AM |
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Very much so |
OzarkDem |
May-13-08 06:15 AM |
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That's not being very nice to Clinton supporters... only a relatively small minority |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:17 AM |
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Cheers |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:07 AM |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
May-13-08 06:19 AM |
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Sorry, Dad |
Crisco |
May-13-08 06:36 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-13-08 07:59 AM |
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Obviously you didn't read the pledge |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:02 AM |
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My thoughts exactly. I hope they return to their senses. To be fair though, |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:12 AM |
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I will support any Dem over McCain as I have always said.... BUT |
glenhappy |
May-13-08 08:29 AM |
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and if my aunt had nads she'd be my uncle |
frylock |
May-13-08 11:08 AM |
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Big surprise..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
May-13-08 09:08 AM |
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Nothing any politician did should disenfranchise voters. |
Deep13 |
May-13-08 10:04 AM |
#127 |
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I'm neutral in this race, but I have a question -- why should Florida Dems |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 10:39 AM |
#130 |
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Actually it was the Florida legislature, not the governor |
kay1864 |
May-13-08 11:16 AM |
#135 |
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Crist led the push and the majority Republicans agreed. |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 02:51 PM |
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And they could have taken a principled stand |
kay1864 |
May-13-08 03:30 PM |
#155 |
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Too many unpopular "principled stands" lead to being voted out in the next |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 05:07 PM |
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The principle? Simple. |
kay1864 |
May-13-08 08:55 PM |
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Not much of a principle, IMHO. |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 10:45 PM |
#164 |
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Now you're talking about the *outcome*, not the *principle* |
kay1864 |
May-14-08 08:40 AM |
#165 |
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I mean that obeying the DNC is not much of a principle. |
pnwmom |
May-14-08 11:35 AM |
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Well, that's kind of the point of a principled stand, now isn't it? |
kay1864 |
May-14-08 12:01 PM |
#167 |
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It doesn't matter which candidate you support. |
PeterU |
May-13-08 10:41 AM |
#131 |
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You are totally right that the voters themselves |
bbgrunt |
May-13-08 11:29 AM |
#136 |
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But you are asking the rest of the country to accept a tainted election (AGAIN in Florida's case)... |
calipendence |
May-13-08 11:38 AM |
#139 |
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I don't mean any harm but I really feel like her supporters |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-13-08 12:56 PM |
#147 |
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My favorite is "they are about tied and she is almost as popular" |
rosebud57 |
May-13-08 07:55 PM |
#159 |
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Bingo...absolutely the fair thing to do...I WONDER.... |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 01:14 PM |
#149 |
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And usually you don't threaten the cop if you expect better treatment either! |
calipendence |
May-13-08 01:27 PM |
#151 |
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That this is SUCH a subject of outrage for you.... |
PeterU |
May-14-08 12:42 PM |
#168 |
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