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| 11. Heh-indeedy. I'm glad you guys have the patience to actually type out the lies... |
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... Because I sure don't. That's teamwork! Just call me when you need snark!  |
| -Hillary supporters, I am really disappointed in some of you. |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 01:09 PM |
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ANd they know damn well that Hillary didn't care about MI until |
skipos |
May-12-08 01:12 PM |
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Just like the Republicans all of a sudden carrying about Iraq |
hokies4ever |
May-13-08 09:46 AM |
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I want to know when someone is going to tell Terry McAuliffe to stuff it |
CakeGrrl |
May-12-08 01:19 PM |
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Hillary, McAuliff and their schemes are no threat to us.... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 03:35 PM |
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It is pretty clear that such people are from the DLC appendage of the |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 01:33 PM |
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With all due respect I disagree |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 01:37 PM |
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well, then they have pretty well "lost their bearings" along |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 01:59 PM |
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I'm sure they don't see it that way, and I don't think it helps Obama... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 03:38 PM |
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It's about time they opened their eyes. |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 04:01 PM |
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You cannot force someone to "open thei eyes," and you can't force someone.... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 04:13 PM |
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Well, when you can |
bbgrunt |
May-12-08 04:39 PM |
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Hillary supporters feel as strongly about their candidate as we do about ours... |
PoliticalAmazon |
May-12-08 04:51 PM |
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Excellent post PA! |
bluesbassman |
May-12-08 11:13 PM |
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Thank you. |
emilyg |
May-12-08 11:59 PM |
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Thank you PA |
Marrah_G |
May-13-08 07:04 AM |
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i certainly will- great post PA |
beezlebum |
May-13-08 08:40 AM |
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It's not about who you choose to vote for! |
no1dolo |
May-13-08 01:19 PM |
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the DLC Dems |
marions ghost |
May-12-08 02:20 PM |
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Democrats stand for counting everyone's vote |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 01:43 PM |
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How do you feel about Hillary saying on NHPR that MI's primary wouldn't count for anything? |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 01:45 PM |
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No other states broke the rules. Nevada and SC both petitioned, and were approved to move ......... |
Exilednight |
May-12-08 01:53 PM |
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You haven't answered the other points |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 01:54 PM |
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Ok, try this on for size....... |
Exilednight |
May-12-08 02:05 PM |
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The agreement was a bad one |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 02:11 PM |
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They were never forced to sign anything. Please, I beg you, stop this shit. |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:18 PM |
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But still, she agreed to it, as did Obama. |
oxbow |
May-12-08 02:19 PM |
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The rules say the penalty.. |
dbmk |
May-12-08 02:24 PM |
#39 |
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it's funny... |
evolvingsteve |
May-13-08 10:59 AM |
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Cause there were guns being held to the candidates heads |
ut oh |
May-13-08 12:41 PM |
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So if they were forced |
JFN1 |
May-13-08 01:32 PM |
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Forced??? they volunteered and agreed! |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 12:50 PM |
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I agree with you, this should have been resolved before Jan 2008 |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 01:57 PM |
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The pledge was unrealistic |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 02:00 PM |
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How in the world can you possibly say that, you know you don't believe it |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:04 PM |
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I can say it very easily |
OzarkDem |
May-12-08 02:06 PM |
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You can say it all you want, you are only proving what I said in the OP |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:10 PM |
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Denying the voters.... |
pipi_k |
May-13-08 07:51 AM |
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You continual 'hammering' of this point |
ut oh |
May-13-08 12:47 PM |
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Look, Both Obama and Hillary had to win without MI and FL that's an even playing field |
Heather MC |
May-13-08 07:11 AM |
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The pledge was a Clinton device to strengthen the penalties |
grantcart |
May-13-08 12:45 PM |
#143 |
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The rules allowed for that and or any penalty |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 12:54 PM |
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You had to take it too far |
MattBaggins |
May-12-08 02:52 PM |
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Speak of the Devil. |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:12 AM |
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answer this one. why ignore the people that did NOT go out and vote because they were told |
seabeyond |
May-13-08 08:41 AM |
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exactly seabeyond |
SoFlaJet |
May-13-08 09:26 AM |
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i would not have voted. i would have been so PISSED at the people who actually |
seabeyond |
May-13-08 09:36 AM |
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the reason they took me off the 2000 rolls |
SoFlaJet |
May-13-08 10:14 AM |
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wow, wow, wow |
seabeyond |
May-13-08 11:06 AM |
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yea those motherfuckers had it all fixed in 2000 |
SoFlaJet |
May-13-08 11:35 AM |
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We stand for fairness in the system |
ut oh |
May-13-08 12:38 PM |
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Well, it's common sense. |
Beacool |
May-12-08 01:52 PM |
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I would accept that |
Egnever |
May-12-08 01:56 PM |
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Democrats in Florida |
FlaGranny |
May-12-08 02:15 PM |
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how 'bout they don't vote at all? |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:31 PM |
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If, as you've claimed, HRC and Obama agree on most issues... |
Ken Burch |
May-13-08 06:28 AM |
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Says you...... |
Beacool |
May-12-08 02:50 PM |
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Thanks! |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:14 AM |
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I didn't say the whole state was going to |
FlaGranny |
May-13-08 02:05 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification Granny |
mcollier |
May-13-08 07:59 AM |
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um.. they disenfranchised THEMSELVES |
SoCalDem |
May-12-08 02:17 PM |
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Uhmmm... no... the PEOPLE of Michigan did NOT do it to ourselves. |
TahitiNut |
May-12-08 02:31 PM |
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That's right - because you can't be disenfranchized in a primary |
sybylla |
May-13-08 09:11 AM |
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You keep saying that, but here's the facts. No matter who the nominee is, we will ............ |
Exilednight |
May-12-08 02:17 PM |
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wrong; dems have a good chance in FL; better if Clinton is the nominee. |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:34 AM |
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I disagree... |
Weevlitz |
May-13-08 08:37 AM |
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The Kabuki of sending "delegates" to Denver WON'T UNDO THE FUBAR. |
TahitiNut |
May-12-08 02:33 PM |
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And that would be fine |
Prophet 451 |
May-13-08 04:40 AM |
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Who stirred up their anger? Who insisted they should be angry? |
Kristi1696 |
May-13-08 09:40 AM |
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Hillary has dispensed with all sense of fair play and rules. |
AtomicKitten |
May-12-08 01:54 PM |
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Heh-indeedy. I'm glad you guys have the patience to actually type out the lies... |
BlooInBloo |
May-12-08 01:56 PM |
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Hear hear n/t |
Sundoggy |
May-12-08 01:57 PM |
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When did she Hillary sign a pledge saying that Michigan and Florida shouldn't count? |
Bentcorner |
May-12-08 02:11 PM |
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You are being dishonest |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:15 PM |
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I'm dishonest? I'm not the one stating things that aren't true.... |
Bentcorner |
May-12-08 02:19 PM |
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When she signed the pledge her campaign came out and said that those states shouldn't count |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:26 PM |
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To be precise |
dbmk |
May-12-08 03:11 PM |
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It was signed on August 28.. |
stillcool47 |
May-13-08 09:59 PM |
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Who's lying? |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:12 PM |
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Hillary said on NHPR that Michigan's primary wouldn't count for anything. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 02:14 PM |
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Again, a lie |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:16 PM |
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That's not the same thing as saying she signed a pledge stating that Michigan and Florida shouldn't |
Bentcorner |
May-12-08 02:22 PM |
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Hillary is ON RECORD as saying Michigan won't count. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 02:23 PM |
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It's not the end of the discussion, obviously. |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:33 PM |
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The pledge she signed not only mentioned campaigning, it mentioned paticipation |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:42 PM |
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And Obama wanted to seat the delegates |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 03:06 PM |
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Ok, so you choose to argue about what participate means? |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 03:15 PM |
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You're wrong |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 04:04 PM |
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You have completely ignored every claim I have made. What am I wrong about? |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 04:44 PM |
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If being honest, ethical, and fair cost us the General....then |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 01:08 PM |
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You are wasting your time. It doesn't matter how much common |
JeanGrey |
May-13-08 05:26 AM |
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You're just wrong... |
stillcool47 |
May-13-08 09:57 PM |
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Michigan is a reliably Democratic state |
suzie |
May-13-08 05:56 AM |
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End of discussion? You realize this is a discussion forum, right? |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 06:08 AM |
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15 second AUDIO CLIP of Hillary saying MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-13-08 08:49 AM |
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You guys are trying to paint me as a liar by lying, please stop it |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:10 AM |
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An Undeniable, Unspinnable Fact |
fascisthunter |
May-13-08 08:45 AM |
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OH BULLSHIT |
Voltaire |
May-13-08 11:36 AM |
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All candidates signed on August 28... |
stillcool47 |
May-13-08 09:46 PM |
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And they adhered to it by not campaigning in those states |
MonkeyFunk |
May-12-08 02:25 PM |
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Just curious |
suzie |
May-13-08 05:50 AM |
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Do you have any evidence of such a pledge? |
Secret_Society |
May-12-08 02:13 PM |
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No, it's an elaborate hoax by the Obama campaign and the media. |
GarbagemanLB |
May-12-08 02:14 PM |
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I assume your serious about that since you didn't provide evidence? |
Secret_Society |
May-12-08 02:25 PM |
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Have you read the pledge yourself? It talks about participation |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:44 PM |
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It doesn't say "Should not count" like you said it did. And by "participate", that only means |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 08:54 AM |
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razzle dazzle me Chicago style.......... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
May-12-08 02:14 PM |
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Did the DNC ask that candidates remove their names from ballots? |
redqueen |
May-12-08 02:28 PM |
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Oh, woe is meeeee! |
Jamastiene |
May-12-08 02:34 PM |
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Another person that's been here since 2003 with over 16,000 posts proves my point |
Pawel K |
May-12-08 02:40 PM |
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How about "Obama lost Michigan?" |
Erin Elizabeth |
May-12-08 03:10 PM |
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the primaries are about choosing the best candidate; if you screw FL and MI, your candidate could li |
VotesForWomen |
May-12-08 03:58 PM |
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"if you screw FL and MI" - and the lie continues. The state parties screwed the voters. Nobody else. |
BlooInBloo |
May-12-08 04:46 PM |
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they can hold their primaries whenever they want, for all i care. you're saying their votes don't co |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:40 AM |
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This Michigander got screwed by the Dems |
shaniqua6392 |
May-13-08 07:47 AM |
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hear, hear. one-day national primary. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:40 PM |
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of course they can hold their primaries whenever they want |
habitual |
May-13-08 07:53 AM |
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According to the DNC rules, if a state breaks the rules - 50% of their delegates count. |
pirhana |
May-12-08 05:06 PM |
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Actually, The Rules State That The State Automatically Loses |
lligrd |
May-12-08 11:28 PM |
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in my opinion-- the only people that have the right to be outraged... |
IndependentDem |
May-12-08 11:43 PM |
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Totally agree with you |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:01 AM |
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I'm sorry I disappoint |
emilyg |
May-13-08 12:06 AM |
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My favorite is the guy who insists "if you believe in math, you are a tool" |
IronLionZion |
May-13-08 01:43 AM |
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You are lying |
bamalib |
May-13-08 02:34 AM |
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i disagree with your version of events, but did you ever stop and think that dems might just need FL |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:31 AM |
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Do you realize it would be political suicide for the dem party to award the nomination to HRC? |
rosebud57 |
May-13-08 04:01 AM |
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Even if she win the popular vote? |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 06:11 AM |
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it's idiotic to say there is a popular vote |
IronLionZion |
May-13-08 08:47 AM |
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Sorry you feel the need to be so rude. What if more people vote for |
Bentcorner |
May-13-08 08:50 AM |
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What if horses had horns? |
IronLionZion |
May-13-08 10:24 AM |
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NO |
Voltaire |
May-13-08 11:41 AM |
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so we're going to lose either way? you may be right. nt |
VotesForWomen |
May-13-08 03:41 PM |
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Also FL rules say you can't take candidates names off the ballot. You sign a contract by honor you s |
barack the house |
May-13-08 04:54 AM |
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You're the dumb one, not the Clinton supporters |
unlawflcombatnt |
May-13-08 05:31 AM |
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You've been here almost 4 years, over 2000 posts |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:05 AM |
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Until the bitter end... |
Jamastiene |
May-13-08 06:03 AM |
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I am not a big fan of Senator Clinton but.... |
shaniqua6392 |
May-13-08 06:06 AM |
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I don't see it that way... |
Towlie |
May-13-08 06:33 AM |
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Your "stupid neighbors" did the right thing. |
PeterU |
May-14-08 12:49 PM |
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So you're going to stay home and let McSame win? |
Raineyb |
May-14-08 01:58 PM |
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That's okay, I am pretty disappointed in a fair share of Obama supporters here also |
Marrah_G |
May-13-08 06:10 AM |
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Very much so |
OzarkDem |
May-13-08 06:15 AM |
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That's not being very nice to Clinton supporters... only a relatively small minority |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:17 AM |
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Cheers |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:07 AM |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
May-13-08 06:19 AM |
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Sorry, Dad |
Crisco |
May-13-08 06:36 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-13-08 07:59 AM |
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Obviously you didn't read the pledge |
Pawel K |
May-13-08 09:02 AM |
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My thoughts exactly. I hope they return to their senses. To be fair though, |
Dr_eldritch |
May-13-08 08:12 AM |
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I will support any Dem over McCain as I have always said.... BUT |
glenhappy |
May-13-08 08:29 AM |
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and if my aunt had nads she'd be my uncle |
frylock |
May-13-08 11:08 AM |
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Big surprise..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
May-13-08 09:08 AM |
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Nothing any politician did should disenfranchise voters. |
Deep13 |
May-13-08 10:04 AM |
#127 |
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I'm neutral in this race, but I have a question -- why should Florida Dems |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 10:39 AM |
#130 |
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Actually it was the Florida legislature, not the governor |
kay1864 |
May-13-08 11:16 AM |
#135 |
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Crist led the push and the majority Republicans agreed. |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 02:51 PM |
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And they could have taken a principled stand |
kay1864 |
May-13-08 03:30 PM |
#155 |
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Too many unpopular "principled stands" lead to being voted out in the next |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 05:07 PM |
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The principle? Simple. |
kay1864 |
May-13-08 08:55 PM |
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Not much of a principle, IMHO. |
pnwmom |
May-13-08 10:45 PM |
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Now you're talking about the *outcome*, not the *principle* |
kay1864 |
May-14-08 08:40 AM |
#165 |
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I mean that obeying the DNC is not much of a principle. |
pnwmom |
May-14-08 11:35 AM |
#166 |
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Well, that's kind of the point of a principled stand, now isn't it? |
kay1864 |
May-14-08 12:01 PM |
#167 |
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It doesn't matter which candidate you support. |
PeterU |
May-13-08 10:41 AM |
#131 |
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You are totally right that the voters themselves |
bbgrunt |
May-13-08 11:29 AM |
#136 |
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But you are asking the rest of the country to accept a tainted election (AGAIN in Florida's case)... |
calipendence |
May-13-08 11:38 AM |
#139 |
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I don't mean any harm but I really feel like her supporters |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-13-08 12:56 PM |
#147 |
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My favorite is "they are about tied and she is almost as popular" |
rosebud57 |
May-13-08 07:55 PM |
#159 |
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Bingo...absolutely the fair thing to do...I WONDER.... |
netgui68 |
May-13-08 01:14 PM |
#149 |
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And usually you don't threaten the cop if you expect better treatment either! |
calipendence |
May-13-08 01:27 PM |
#151 |
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That this is SUCH a subject of outrage for you.... |
PeterU |
May-14-08 12:42 PM |
#168 |
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