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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:16 PM
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41. It has nothing to do with race. I'm from West Virginia too, born and raised
in a West Virginia "gated community" (a.k.a. trailer park). I'm still poor, and I still live in a trailer park, although I'm currently in college to try and climb out of the poverty that I was raised in. Folks around here (at least in my experience with my neighbors, friends, and family members) aren't racist, but they believe that he's too far left. It's not ABOUT race. It's about the fact that Obama has the passionate and LOUD devotion of the far left. Obama could be purple for all that West Virginia cares; the point is that a lot of folks around here think he's just the liberal version of Bush, thanks to the insane amount of media coverage given to the far-lefties who support him the loudest. Average people here think he's further left than Ted Kennedy, and probably a "secret Muslim" to boot, which is unbelievable considering how much time Obama spent trying to get rid of that particular falsehood.

West Virginians are pretty centrist; unfortunately, lots of them see Obama as a tool of the far left, and they consider that to be just as bad as Bush, who ran as a "compassionate conservative" but turned out to be a tool of the far right. They want peace and a political cease-fire for a while, and they're afraid that electing someone who's obviously a darling of the Big-L Liberals like us will translate to four-to-eight more years of vengeful vitriol and political mud-flinging. The most liberal, progressive, intelligent candidate in the WORLD cannot do us a damned bit of good if the centrists think that he or she is too far left. They'll vote for "maverick" McCain because they respect his service and they like the fact that he has the reputation of a rebel against his own party. That translates to "moderate" in their ears, regardless of whether or not it's actually true.

This is also why Obama isn't going to win the general election without some drastic damage-control action, but nobody around here wants to hear it. Centrists (or at least perceived centrists) are the ones who win national elections. Obama IS a centrist, but his supporters make it look otherwise in the eyes of ordinary folks. As soon as we nominate Obama, the Repuke leaders nationwide will be jumping for freaking joy, because they know damned well that their "maverick" has just been handed the election on a silver platter--by us. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see a flood of Freepers here the day after Obama gets the nomination officially, gloating over our own idiocy, and probably claiming that the Lim-bots had been planning this all along--pretending they wanted Hillary to win when they really wanted Obama to win, because they knew he'd be easier to paint as some far-left nut. Hard to paint Hillary as far-left when our own party has spent the past year railing her for not being leftie *enough*.

If we're gonna lose because Obama is seen as being too far-left, we might as well have nominated poor Dennis. At least he really IS a Liberal Progressive. *sigh* I swear, right now I pray on a daily basis that someone uncovers something nasty about McCain right before the election, like that he used to eat babies for breakfast or something, because that is truly the only way Obama has a chance of winning unless we figure out a way to make America see that he is NOT some far-left fanatic.

Dammit all to hell, I'm so frustrated I could spit. You ever feel that way? That what seems like the most obvious, common-sense thing in the universe just gets brushed aside because it isn't what the crowd wants to hear? I'd rather be acknowledging this reality and then trying to figure out a way to fix it, but we can't DO anything about it until people freaking admit that the problem EXISTS. Argh.

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  -To Camp Clinton: STOP STEREOTYPING White Working Class West Virginians as a bunch of Racists Skwmom  May-09-08 12:30 PM   #0 
  - Um, you realize you're talking about West Virginia, right?  BlooInBloo   May-09-08 12:32 PM   #1 
  - I do. While there are racists in WV, just like in other states, it is NOT to the  Skwmom   May-09-08 12:34 PM   #3 
  - It's all she has. (We're still talking about WV, right?)  BlooInBloo   May-09-08 12:43 PM   #11 
  - bwaaha. nt.  IndianaJones   May-09-08 12:36 PM   #5 
  - And your point is what?  wvbygod   May-09-08 01:18 PM   #20 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-09-08 01:19 PM   #22 
        - you are entitled to your opinion  wvbygod   May-09-08 01:47 PM   #36 
        - "And if you don't stop it, I will turn you into a goooooooooooo!"  sfexpat2000   May-09-08 01:50 PM   #38 
        - There's no such thing as a racist state  FlyingSquirrel   May-09-08 08:19 PM   #53 
  - I was just in our employee lunchroom, where the topic of conversation was....  VolcanoJen   May-09-08 12:33 PM   #2 
  - I know that I (and anyone else from WV) will have to defend against this  Skwmom   May-09-08 12:46 PM   #13 
  - That would be a good move for Senator Byrd.  VolcanoJen   May-09-08 12:57 PM   #14 
  - He's been quiet - I hope he's feeling okay n/t  livetohike   May-09-08 01:18 PM   #21 
  - totally unfair to West VA  marions ghost   May-09-08 01:41 PM   #31 
  - I'd suggest a less prejudicial lunchroom  wvbygod   May-09-08 02:08 PM   #39 
     - I'd suggest a candidate that didn't stoke the flames.  VolcanoJen   May-09-08 03:07 PM   #46 
  - Hillary Clinton did not claim that white working class people are racists...  The Night Owl   May-09-08 12:35 PM   #4 
  - Why would I retract the truth? Bubba and Hillary have no problem  Skwmom   May-09-08 12:39 PM   #8 
  - Show me the painting. {EOM}  The Night Owl   May-09-08 12:44 PM   #12 
  - there is no truth to retract  wvbygod   May-09-08 01:21 PM   #26 
     - Then why the huge protest vote?  Leopolds Ghost   May-09-08 01:29 PM   #29 
        - I don't know why 92% of a group votes for Obama  wvbygod   May-09-08 02:10 PM   #40 
           - Do you know why @ 90% of blacks voted for Kerry, Gore and Bill Clinton?  skipos   May-11-08 11:04 PM   #59 
  - its time to support the nominee.  Lerkfish   May-09-08 01:01 PM   #15 
  - Lying about Hillary Clinton is a bad way to support Barack Obama. {EOM}  The Night Owl   May-09-08 01:11 PM   #16 
  - actually, I haven't.  Lerkfish   May-09-08 01:13 PM   #18 
     - I can't help but notice that you're telling me to move on even though...  The Night Owl   May-09-08 01:21 PM   #25 
        - um...nope, epic fail.  Lerkfish   May-09-08 01:45 PM   #35 
           - Answer the question I asked you. If you want people to focus on McCain, then why...  The Night Owl   May-09-08 02:58 PM   #44 
              - because I must enjoy your fake martydom and excessive whining?  Lerkfish   May-09-08 03:46 PM   #50 
  - yes. Time to go at McCain.  knixphan   May-09-08 01:13 PM   #17 
  - then tell us why would they NOT vote for Obama?? YOU TELL US WHY  LSK   May-09-08 03:01 PM   #45 
     - How many times do I have to point out that Hillary Clinton did not say...  The Night Owl   May-09-08 04:02 PM   #51 
  - would typical white people be more comfortable for you? nt.  IndianaJones   May-09-08 12:37 PM   #6 
  - Well said, Skwmom  mystieus   May-09-08 12:37 PM   #7 
  - She's supposed to win WV in a walkover? Make her sweat for it!  rocknation   May-09-08 12:40 PM   #9 
  - Feel the BURN. Run, Hiullary, RUUUUUN! Damn she can run fast in high heels.  Leopolds Ghost   May-09-08 01:31 PM   #30 
  - Prove Hillary is wrong ...vote for Obama ...nuff said.  L0oniX   May-09-08 12:42 PM   #10 
  - got a link or any facts at all?  wvbygod   May-09-08 01:16 PM   #19 
  - What do you disagree with?  beachmom   May-09-08 01:21 PM   #24 
  - along with the entire post  wvbygod   May-09-08 01:43 PM   #32 
     - I think this qualifies as stereotyping - don't vote for the elitists making fun of you  JoeIsOneOfUs   May-11-08 11:51 PM   #62 
  - wvbygod insists that it is racist?  Leopolds Ghost   May-09-08 01:25 PM   #28 
     - nope. Leopolds Ghost need new lenses?  wvbygod   May-09-08 01:44 PM   #34 
  - I agree. The "swiftboating" of white working class people.  beachmom   May-09-08 01:20 PM   #23 
  - Is WV a key swing state? Yes. Kerry should have camped out in Wheeling and never left  Leopolds Ghost   May-09-08 01:25 PM   #27 
  - Is there a link to where either Clinton said that, or are you just making shit up?  Lilith Velkor   May-09-08 01:43 PM   #33 
  - I hope that you are right, Skwmom.  TBF   May-09-08 01:49 PM   #37 
  - It has nothing to do with race. I'm from West Virginia too, born and raised  oktoberain   May-09-08 02:16 PM   #41 
  - What fucking "far left"? You mean the 51% of Repubs that want universal health care  eridani   May-10-08 07:26 AM   #55 
     - Oh yes, I'm a DU-donating, lesbian, atheist, progressive activist Republican operative.  oktoberain   May-10-08 08:20 PM   #57 
        - The frame "far left" is Repuke, period  eridani   May-11-08 11:00 PM   #58 
  - to O supporters: stop making stuff up and playing the race card. it's not good for the GE.  VotesForWomen   May-09-08 02:41 PM   #42 
  - It's the Obama Camp, and his supporters (like here at DU) that's doing the stereotyping.  DemVet   May-09-08 02:43 PM   #43 
  - The most worrying part is if Hillary took this view to a world stage. Racial sensitivity has been...  barack the house   May-09-08 03:09 PM   #47 
  - Yah - everyone knows the skeletons are supposed to remain in the closet.  BlooInBloo   May-09-08 03:10 PM   #48 
  - This is an outstanding post and really highlights the problem it ways everyone can relate to.  barack the house   May-09-08 03:18 PM   #49 
  - If You're White and Working Class and Vote for Hillary, You Just Might Be a Racist  Crisco   May-09-08 04:05 PM   #52 
  - Hillary brought that up herself.  anonymous171   May-11-08 11:40 PM   #61 
  - Keep this kicked folks  barack the house   May-09-08 08:26 PM   #54 
  - I do not believe that HRC implied the West Virginians...  Secret_Society   May-10-08 07:29 AM   #56 
  - It isn't the Clintons doing the stereotyping, it is the MSM and the Obama camp....  McCamy Taylor   May-11-08 11:37 PM   #60 
 

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