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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:34 PM
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70. Well said, except that Hillary the Great disappeared sometime around 2002
That's when the Great Pandering began (IWR vote was supposed to get her GE votes). This whole disastrous path, with the packaging and the handling and the polling and the personality changing began years ago, when she first started plotting this run. It didn't suddenly manifest in the late days of this campaign.
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  -'New and Improved Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton' grantcart  May-08-08 10:21 AM   #0 
  - Great piece, grantcart!!  cliffordu   May-08-08 10:27 AM   #1 
  - thanks clifford  grantcart   May-08-08 10:40 AM   #4 
  - whoa. good stuff, grantcart. ties it up just fine and dandy. :-D You  roguevalley   May-08-08 12:17 PM   #23 
  - insightful analysis.  poli speak   May-08-08 10:32 AM   #2 
  - thank you poli  grantcart   May-08-08 10:44 AM   #6 
  - But is it helping or harming our chances in November?...  PoliticalAmazon   May-09-08 08:21 PM   #113 
  - A wonderful piece. Thanks.  Occam Bandage   May-08-08 10:33 AM   #3 
  - Tks Occam.  grantcart   May-08-08 10:51 AM   #8 
  - Great summary... One thing I think hurt her  WannaJumpMyScooter   May-08-08 10:40 AM   #5 
  - Perhaps we can be magnamous in victory  grantcart   May-08-08 10:54 AM   #9 
  - Lao Tzu and grantcart know how to make it a Recommend  goclark   May-08-08 10:47 AM   #7 
  - Its not so much the darker side its that she doesn't trust how good she really is  grantcart   May-08-08 11:01 AM   #10 
     - That is it grantcart ~ she doesn't understand how good she is  goclark   May-08-08 11:26 AM   #12 
  - ..  grantcart   May-08-08 11:13 AM   #11 
  - K&R  redqueen   May-08-08 11:32 AM   #13 
  - tks  grantcart   May-08-08 11:44 AM   #16 
  - Great post.  Scurrilous   May-08-08 11:36 AM   #14 
  - tks  grantcart   May-08-08 11:52 AM   #18 
  - I really enjoyed this, grantcart. Spot on. REC-of-the-day.  JBoy   May-08-08 11:40 AM   #15 
  - tks jboy  grantcart   May-08-08 12:04 PM   #20 
  - rec'd  NatBurner   May-08-08 11:45 AM   #17 
  - thanks Nat  grantcart   May-08-08 12:10 PM   #21 
  - K/R.  Window   May-08-08 11:54 AM   #19 
  - Two factual errors in your post:  janesez   May-08-08 12:12 PM   #22 
  - Thank you for your reply  grantcart   May-08-08 12:48 PM   #26 
  - You listen to James Carville?  janesez   May-08-08 01:46 PM   #36 
     - Did you listen to the lecture by Carville  grantcart   May-08-08 02:29 PM   #42 
  - Obama's corporate platform isn't much different from Clinton's  eridani   May-08-08 06:11 PM   #65 
     - Oh well now we are talking about platforms  grantcart   May-08-08 06:23 PM   #67 
        - I support him because of his campaign organization n/t  eridani   May-08-08 06:29 PM   #68 
  - K&R  bhikkhu   May-08-08 12:26 PM   #24 
  - and a balance reply from bhikkhu is what you would expect  grantcart   May-08-08 01:04 PM   #28 
  - solid post k  goclark   May-08-08 12:33 PM   #25 
  - thanks goclark  grantcart   May-08-08 01:17 PM   #29 
  - K&R  Irishonly   May-08-08 12:51 PM   #27 
  - thanks Irish  grantcart   May-08-08 01:22 PM   #30 
  - Incredibly insightful piece!  NanceGreggs   May-08-08 01:25 PM   #31 
  - I think the old Hillary will return in time  ekwhite   May-09-08 12:43 AM   #88 
  - I think that's exactly right. It's like she surrounded herself with thugs  sfexpat2000   May-08-08 01:26 PM   #32 
  - I don't get it either ~ even if they were BFF  goclark   May-08-08 01:39 PM   #35 
  - K and R  Obama_for_our_future   May-08-08 01:28 PM   #33 
  - Great post-happy to K&R  liberaldem4ever   May-08-08 01:28 PM   #34 
  - thanks lib4ever  grantcart   May-08-08 02:43 PM   #43 
  - Hillary Clinton did not cry. You should retract that. {EOM}  The Night Owl   May-08-08 01:54 PM   #37 
  - If you prefer teared up that's fine. It is not material to the point.  grantcart   May-08-08 01:59 PM   #38 
     - I didn't see any tears. Keep going. You're moving toward reality now. {EOM}  The Night Owl   May-08-08 02:07 PM   #39 
        - The sentence is not inherently critical to the point of the section or the point  grantcart   May-08-08 02:20 PM   #41 
           - I am well aware of the fact that you aren't the first to push the lie that Hillary Clinton cried.  The Night Owl   May-08-08 03:42 PM   #49 
              - do you have any sense of the word 'irony'  grantcart   May-08-08 04:12 PM   #52 
  - Excellent writing, gc! K/R ... I might add:  phrigndumass   May-08-08 02:18 PM   #40 
  - Thanks, grantcart. I love your logic and manner of writing. No histrionics, no fat, no gristle.  hisownpetard   May-08-08 02:46 PM   #44 
  - and no carbs thanks  grantcart   May-08-08 03:12 PM   #48 
  - 50th Rec.  hisownpetard   May-08-08 02:47 PM   #45 
  - tks  grantcart   May-08-08 04:59 PM   #56 
  - Excellent piece. Not much I can add to the other kudos. n/t  reflection   May-08-08 02:50 PM   #46 
  - thanks for the reflection  grantcart   May-08-08 04:43 PM   #55 
  - Love the quote. :) And thanks for another good read. n/t  casus belli   May-08-08 02:51 PM   #47 
  - thanks CB  grantcart   May-08-08 04:25 PM   #54 
  - Grant, Excellent unitary piece and well written as always. K&R  akbacchus_BC   May-08-08 03:57 PM   #50 
  - thanks  grantcart   May-08-08 04:01 PM   #51 
  - Great post. K&R. - n/t  shomino   May-08-08 04:17 PM   #53 
  - Excellent. n/t  ProSense   May-08-08 05:03 PM   #57 
  - from you a great honor  grantcart   May-08-08 05:30 PM   #60 
  - I have a daughter that struggles with telling the truth sometimes...  mamalone   May-08-08 05:06 PM   #58 
  - thanks and have a great mom's day  grantcart   May-08-08 05:27 PM   #59 
  - K/R - The world is won by those who let it go. - indeed  dbmk   May-08-08 05:55 PM   #61 
  - tks  grantcart   May-08-08 06:04 PM   #62 
  - Since you are in to Lao Tzu  eridani   May-08-08 06:04 PM   #63 
  - Lao Tzu, Bhikkus, and Buddhist Democrats  ekwhite   May-09-08 12:49 AM   #92 
  - The "managed" Clinton campaigned on the Rethug fear frame  eridani   May-08-08 06:05 PM   #64 
  - KnR!  me b zola   May-08-08 06:13 PM   #66 
  - gracious er merci  grantcart   May-08-08 06:57 PM   #71 
  - K&R  Alexander   May-08-08 06:31 PM   #69 
  - Well said, except that Hillary the Great disappeared sometime around 2002  Stephanie   May-08-08 06:34 PM   #70 
  - Yes, the IWR vote. One case of poor judgment  bhikkhu   May-08-08 07:02 PM   #73 
  - yeah that was "pre packaging packaging"  grantcart   May-08-08 07:46 PM   #76 
  - Huge K&R  VolcanoJen   May-08-08 07:00 PM   #72 
  - thanks Jen  grantcart   May-08-08 07:25 PM   #74 
  - great post ur a asset to this site thanks  democracy1st   May-08-08 07:41 PM   #75 
  - Wonderful post  gbrenna   May-08-08 07:57 PM   #77 
  - welcome to DU  grantcart   May-08-08 07:58 PM   #78 
     - Thanks  gbrenna   May-09-08 08:11 PM   #112 
  - do dems a favor stop with this crap.  nvme   May-08-08 10:41 PM   #79 
  - this was relatively snark-free i believe  MirrorAshes   May-08-08 10:54 PM   #80 
  - Oh no, that's totally wrong! Read this  iconicgnom   May-08-08 11:10 PM   #82 
  - Clinton's are doing the damage race baiting etc,until she calms down we must stay alert  democracy1st   May-09-08 12:35 AM   #87 
  - You obviously didn't read the OP  grantcart   May-09-08 12:46 AM   #90 
  - Except your post fails to address Clinton the Senator ...  krkaufman   May-08-08 11:01 PM   #81 
  - Well at this point we are actually trying to find a bridge with Clinton supporters  grantcart   May-09-08 12:47 AM   #91 
  - Yep.  krkaufman   May-09-08 06:55 PM   #109 
  - That is part of the real tragedy of Hillary Clinton  ekwhite   May-09-08 12:57 AM   #95 
     - Yep. If she had put up a fight anything like she is in this election ...  krkaufman   May-09-08 06:54 PM   #108 
  - Another outstanding post by the one and only - grantcart!!  Major Hogwash   May-08-08 11:16 PM   #83 
  - K&R to keep this thread alive. Brilliant piece! n/t  akbacchus_BC   May-08-08 11:24 PM   #84 
  - That about wraps it up in a nutshell  bertman   May-08-08 11:37 PM   #85 
  - thanks  grantcart   May-09-08 03:41 AM   #98 
  - An excellent post, Grantcart!  ekwhite   May-09-08 12:22 AM   #86 
  - Shine on grantcart!  Dystopian   May-09-08 12:44 AM   #89 
  - A very enthralling post. k&r.  barack the house   May-09-08 12:51 AM   #93 
  - Wonderful. Just Wonderful!!!  DeSwiss   May-09-08 12:54 AM   #94 
  - thanks DeSwiss  grantcart   May-09-08 12:57 AM   #96 
  - So True  LiberalLovinLug   May-09-08 01:51 AM   #97 
  - Wonderful write up grantcart!  sonias   May-09-08 04:34 AM   #99 
  - Good one grantcart... Well thought out... K&R  futureliveshere   May-09-08 04:38 AM   #100 
  - OUTSTANDING POST! n/t  Tatiana   May-09-08 04:54 AM   #101 
  - "She was good enough and she should have had it."  quickesst   May-09-08 05:20 AM   #102 
  - Oh yeah....................... K i c k k k k k k k k k k k k!!!!!!!!!!  DeSwiss   May-09-08 05:54 AM   #103 
  - your post is on the money, but the timing is where I take issue  nvme   May-09-08 08:47 AM   #104 
  - K&R  dlfuller   May-09-08 09:46 AM   #105 
  - Let the healing begin  Mongooseflies   May-09-08 10:02 AM   #106 
  - Or the gloating.  Major Hogwash   May-09-08 06:57 PM   #110 
  - Great job GC. You are one helluva writer. kick  Tarheel_Dem   May-09-08 11:14 AM   #107 
  - perhaps in the end we will have them both so that everyone is happy in the party  GetTheRightVote   May-09-08 07:05 PM   #111 
  - wow who the fuck are you!  Egnever   May-09-08 08:27 PM   #114 
 

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