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88. You cant take the troops out!
Here's what will happen if you do:
1. As the troop withdrawl begins, we lose all sorts of international credibility. No one in the world likes anyone who doesnt finish what they start.
2. With no police force or army, the country of Iraq will begin to tear itself apart, breaking up into tribal and ethnic states to the north, south, and center of Iraq.
3. With no governmental order established, the only source of unity comes with the many different religous orgs that run the countries. Soon, most towns are run by Mosques and religious heads of state.
4. No credible ties with Al Quaeda were ever established in Iraq. Now, however, the country is run by religious Right-wingers (sound familiar to anyone?). Al Qaeda is now accepted into Iraq with open arms. Most likely, the dominant religious figure takes power over Iraq.
5. Troops arive home, finally, to a country with a sluggish economy. Thousands upon thousands of troops refuse to renew their contracts in the National Guard/US Forces. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps recruits come in at only a trickle. Newly returned soldiers find it extremely hard to find any sort of job worthwild. While thousands of new jobs were created under president bush, working at WalMart for minimum wage seems not worth it to some. The jobs they used to have no longer exist or have been taken by other workers.
6. With smaller forces to work with, the US is even more unprepared than before 9/11. Now there is another state that fully sponsers Al Qaeda and any actions it takes against the US and its allies.
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  -KERRY ISN'T PROMISING TO BRING THE TROOPS HOME! Dancing_Dave  Jul-27-04 04:14 PM   #0 
  - More dismissing the base, more pandering to the Reich Wing fantasy bubble  tom_paine   Jul-27-04 04:15 PM   #1 
  - I don't think that will help at all. You have to get him elected then  LittleApple81   Jul-27-04 04:16 PM   #2 
  - If you want Bush out, help Kerry change AGAIN!  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 04:24 PM   #9 
  - But most Democrats and even most Americans want the troops out  no name no slogan   Jul-27-04 04:36 PM   #14 
  - NO KIDDING  ChompySnack   Jul-27-04 04:17 PM   #3 
  - International troops. International troops... Say it with me  mzmolly   Jul-27-04 04:18 PM   #4 
  - Yes I agree, International Troops" I can't seeing walking away  movonne   Jul-27-04 04:24 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-04 10:25 PM   #71 
  - Where are these international troops going to come from?  theboss   Jul-28-04 09:55 AM   #81 
  - Yup  Nicholas_J   Jul-27-04 10:24 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-04 10:25 PM   #70 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-04 10:26 PM   #72 
  - Please delete some of these  Nicholas_J   Jul-27-04 10:27 PM   #73 
  - Body bags to every corner of the world!  JVS   Jul-28-04 09:51 AM   #80 
     - Oh, and pulling out now will create world peace.  mzmolly   Jul-28-04 10:31 AM   #82 
        - What would be so awful about pulling out?  JVS   Jul-28-04 10:42 AM   #83 
           - Read up on it.  mzmolly   Jul-28-04 10:48 AM   #84 
              - My question is will it become less of a total mess if we stay  JVS   Jul-28-04 10:56 AM   #86 
                 - Part of me feels the way you do, and if Bush remains at the helm  mzmolly   Jul-28-04 11:04 AM   #87 
                    - You cant take the troops out!  LiveWire   Jul-28-04 12:32 PM   #88 
  - he held that position all through the primaries  Cocoa   Jul-27-04 04:21 PM   #5 
  - Kerry won because of his personality, $$, and organization  no name no slogan   Jul-27-04 04:43 PM   #17 
     - He hardly won big time?  Uzybone   Jul-27-04 05:55 PM   #34 
        - In the contested primaries, no he didn't  no name no slogan   Jul-27-04 09:17 PM   #59 
  - Where did you get these silly notions?  Lexingtonian   Jul-27-04 04:21 PM   #6 
  - The Iraq war is already lost.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 04:23 PM   #7 
  - The Crazy Canadian got it right!  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 04:50 PM   #20 
  - NATO and UN won't go in unless Iraq is stabilized.  blm   Jul-27-04 04:26 PM   #10 
  - What country wants to send their troops in that hell hole?  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 04:32 PM   #13 
  - Those "chips" are the lives of the everyday Iraqi citizen.  blm   Jul-27-04 04:36 PM   #15 
     - The Iraqis have to determine their own future.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 04:48 PM   #19 
     - And if we had interceded in Afghanistan back in 96  blm   Jul-27-04 04:56 PM   #23 
        - OMG, can people really be so TOTALLY CLUELESS about what's really happenin  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 05:47 PM   #31 
           - Totally agree.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 05:59 PM   #35 
           - LOL. Try and school me. I was with women trying to alert bozos  blm   Jul-27-04 07:34 PM   #53 
     - Kerry shouldn't have enabled Bush to  darboy   Jul-28-04 07:29 AM   #77 
  - BALDER DASH!  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 05:09 PM   #24 
  - Bin Laden and Saddam were enemies.  blm   Jul-27-04 07:42 PM   #54 
  - That's right -- even Kucinich's Web site hedged all bets with the words  Dems Will Win   Jul-27-04 05:18 PM   #27 
     - Sounds reasonable, but there's one thing way wrong  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 06:09 PM   #40 
  - He CAN'T bring all of our troops home  AngryLizard   Jul-27-04 04:26 PM   #11 
  - That's rather presumptuous, isn't it?  no name no slogan   Jul-27-04 04:51 PM   #21 
  - our moral obligation  GreenArrow   Jul-28-04 07:53 AM   #78 
  - Agree with most of the responses. First, he isn't president yet.  Brotherjohn   Jul-27-04 04:31 PM   #12 
  - So..... WHO IS?????  sandnsea   Jul-27-04 04:38 PM   #16 
  - Agreed  Ress12   Jul-27-04 04:51 PM   #22 
  - Integrating Forces  Bad Thoughts   Jul-27-04 06:06 PM   #38 
  - Withdrawing troops would violate International Law  Bad Thoughts   Jul-27-04 04:48 PM   #18 
  - The rule aside, I think it's a no-win situation  bigwillq   Jul-27-04 05:14 PM   #25 
  - Could be no win ...  Bad Thoughts   Jul-27-04 05:22 PM   #28 
  - Most Iraqis don't want your help or your sympathy.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 05:28 PM   #29 
     - They will never get my sympathy  bigwillq   Jul-27-04 05:33 PM   #30 
     - I give it a year or two.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 05:54 PM   #33 
     - I agree with the year or two timeline  bigwillq   Jul-27-04 06:02 PM   #37 
        - OK i guess.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 06:15 PM   #41 
     - We are NOT "cleaning up"!!!  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 06:54 PM   #49 
     - You cannot wash your hands of Iraq by blaming neocons  Bad Thoughts   Jul-27-04 06:00 PM   #36 
        - Read this article and see what you think.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 06:34 PM   #45 
           - RE:Scott Ritter at Common Dreams  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 09:52 PM   #62 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-04 06:20 PM   #42 
     - NO, SOMEONE WHO RESPECTS INTERNATIONAL LAW  Bad Thoughts   Jul-27-04 06:33 PM   #43 
     - And please don't insult!  Bad Thoughts   Jul-27-04 06:41 PM   #46 
     - Sorry if I was insulting.  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 09:58 PM   #64 
        - Hague Regulations of 1907  Bad Thoughts   Jul-27-04 11:55 PM   #74 
     - Geneva conventions.  mzmolly   Jul-27-04 06:50 PM   #47 
        - No, the Geneva Conventions  Dancing_Dave   Jul-27-04 10:03 PM   #66 
        - Actually the GC's require us not to leave the place in shambles.  mzmolly   Jul-28-04 10:52 AM   #85 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-04 10:06 PM   #68 
  - This is only news if you haven't been paying close attention  56kid   Jul-27-04 05:16 PM   #26 
  - No responsible leader would  dolstein   Jul-27-04 05:51 PM   #32 
  - I don't think stabilizing Iraq is going to happen.  The Crazy Canadian   Jul-27-04 06:07 PM   #39 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-04 06:57 PM   #50 
  - If he does not take steps to bring the troops home ASAP after he is  Zorra   Jul-27-04 06:34 PM   #44 
  - Dean said so himself his Iraq policy is the same as Kerry's  George_Bonanza   Jul-27-04 07:00 PM   #51 
     - I understand that  Zorra   Jul-27-04 07:45 PM   #55 
        - who says that DK will be running in 2008?  JohnKleeb   Jul-27-04 09:54 PM   #63 
           - No one. It was a  Zorra   Jul-27-04 10:04 PM   #67 
  - So he has the same position he had when the Democratic primary voters  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-27-04 06:54 PM   #48 
  - I have faith that President Kerry will bring the majority of them home  w4rma   Jul-27-04 07:33 PM   #52 
  - Kerry MUST spell out his plan on Thursday to make Iraq an  deminflorida   Jul-27-04 07:57 PM   #56 
  - I trust that Kerry will get us out of the mess. Nader won't because  oasis   Jul-27-04 08:44 PM   #57 
  - New President and Europe will come a' callin'...  fairfaxvadem   Jul-27-04 08:52 PM   #58 
  - Here's a thoughtful reply.  LoZoccolo   Jul-27-04 09:28 PM   #60 
  - If we suddenly pull out  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Jul-27-04 09:36 PM   #61 
  - We fucked it up, we have to fix it!!!  digno dave   Jul-27-04 10:01 PM   #65 
  - This is one of the liveliest discussions on DU  Dancing_Dave   Jul-28-04 03:06 AM   #75 
  - How dare you  darboy   Jul-28-04 07:24 AM   #76 
  - He'll Change Once Elected  DoomFook   Jul-28-04 08:28 AM   #79 

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