| 154. What is the feeling in WV about the war? |
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Would a military VP, like Jim Webb or Wesley Clark help out Obama in WV in the general election, or is it pretty much a given they will vote for McCain?
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| -Please allow me to explain West Virginia to you |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:21 AM |
#0 |
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Excellent post! I love WV, btw.....it's almost heaven to me |
livetohike |
May-07-08 11:27 AM |
#1 |
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The WV I know and love |
iiibbb |
May-07-08 03:45 PM |
#116 |
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Jesco!!! I've got his autograph. n/t |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:26 PM |
#178 |
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I've traveled the West Virginia Turnpike every year since 1978 or earlier. |
yardwork |
May-07-08 11:31 AM |
#2 |
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K & R |
Withywindle |
May-07-08 11:31 AM |
#3 |
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Thanks for the information! K&R |
anonymous171 |
May-07-08 11:32 AM |
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you arent racist cause there are no black people...but.... |
Egnever |
May-07-08 11:32 AM |
#4 |
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I was making a joke. I also said I know where every Catholic lives. |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:42 AM |
#9 |
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Say do you also know how many of you are there in WV |
futureliveshere |
May-07-08 11:51 AM |
#22 |
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at last count, 8 |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:53 AM |
#25 |
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Funny. But true, I'm afraid. n/t |
Kukesa |
May-07-08 12:14 PM |
#43 |
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Yoiks... Sigh!! Thanks. |
futureliveshere |
May-07-08 12:32 PM |
#59 |
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My husband and I are two of them, lol. |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:27 PM |
#179 |
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I know you're an Obama guy..I remember. |
zidzi |
May-07-08 03:26 PM |
#107 |
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Senator Jay Rockefeller. |
ellisonz |
May-07-08 07:25 PM |
#157 |
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I'd say you missed the point. |
demwing |
May-07-08 11:43 AM |
#10 |
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you can be both |
woolldog |
May-07-08 12:16 PM |
#46 |
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But that's the racist you can actually talk to. |
ieoeja |
May-07-08 04:11 PM |
#126 |
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I grew up in WVA, and the OP is correct. WVA AA population about 3.5% |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-07-08 12:01 PM |
#34 |
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Bluefield is strange because it is divided by a state line too, right? |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:03 PM |
#36 |
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There's two Blfds, Blfd WVA and Blfd Va |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-07-08 10:03 PM |
#168 |
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That phrase isn't a joke |
NobleCynic |
May-08-08 12:14 AM |
#189 |
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What's the best way for Obama to campaign there? |
rocknation |
May-07-08 11:35 AM |
#5 |
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I don't think he has time for the town meeting approach. |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:45 AM |
#14 |
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Fortunately, Obama's sitting so pretty that Hillary needs 86% of the vote |
rocknation |
May-07-08 11:54 AM |
#27 |
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He would do better to campaign in Kentucky, I think |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:11 PM |
#40 |
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"you physically can't get to some of them" |
Bill McBlueState |
May-07-08 12:33 PM |
#60 |
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I've been to most counties, but you really have to desire to get to some of them |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:37 PM |
#65 |
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Webster County demographics |
Bill McBlueState |
May-07-08 01:03 PM |
#76 |
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His name's John |
theboss |
May-07-08 01:05 PM |
#79 |
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When I was a child, I raised goats for 4-H . My dad and I drove to this place called Duck |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:33 PM |
#180 |
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I'd think the college crowd would be the best place to campaign. |
L0oniX |
May-07-08 10:09 PM |
#170 |
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I have a friend in West Virginia |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
May-07-08 11:38 AM |
#6 |
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I'm really glad I read all of this before responding. |
deadmessengers |
May-07-08 11:38 AM |
#7 |
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The point I was trying to make is, we aren't like other states. |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:48 AM |
#17 |
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I can empathize with you there... |
Blue_In_AK |
May-08-08 12:19 AM |
#190 |
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great post and a real insight about the "on the ground" politics |
nomorewhopper |
May-07-08 11:39 AM |
#8 |
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We've had "persistent economic troubles" since 1863 |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:49 AM |
#19 |
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So are you saying it's the incumbency ALONE that is valued, regardless of what an incumbent is |
patrice |
May-07-08 11:43 AM |
#11 |
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No one particularly cares about Byrd's constitutional views |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:52 AM |
#23 |
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Okay, so how does the Constitution rate in a "Southern mentality"? nt |
patrice |
May-07-08 11:58 AM |
#30 |
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I don't get the question |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:00 PM |
#32 |
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You got the question okay. Just trying to understand what factors might |
patrice |
May-07-08 12:12 PM |
#41 |
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McCain's military background will trump anything he can do on the ground, I think |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:16 PM |
#45 |
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Thanks for the reality check. I hope the campaign demonstrates their respect |
patrice |
May-07-08 12:20 PM |
#51 |
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Unless it's John Kerry, yes? Then it's the purple heart band-aid treatment? |
kaybea |
May-07-08 01:38 PM |
#89 |
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Kerry had his own problems in WV |
theboss |
May-07-08 02:48 PM |
#100 |
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I thought the GOP put out a flier saying Democrats would ban the bible. |
beachmom |
May-07-08 03:54 PM |
#120 |
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Give us a little more credit that that |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:13 PM |
#127 |
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Oh, that is true on the steel -- Bush, a free trader, went all protective on steel. |
beachmom |
May-07-08 04:35 PM |
#137 |
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Bush's protectionism on steel triggered a fist fight that I witnessed |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:38 PM |
#139 |
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Yeah, a douche, great reply, really answers that rank hypocrisy. |
kaybea |
May-07-08 04:30 PM |
#135 |
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I can somewhat see where the poster is coming from |
knight_of_the_star |
May-07-08 06:02 PM |
#151 |
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Hypocritical of folks, isn't it. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 03:32 PM |
#109 |
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You just made me ROFL |
knight_of_the_star |
May-07-08 06:00 PM |
#150 |
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You have to experience life with Senator Byrd to understand it. |
theboss |
May-07-08 06:29 PM |
#155 |
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Your Own Personal Byrd... Someone who can answer your prayers / someone who cares... |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 09:57 PM |
#165 |
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WE NEED A PIC!! Photoshoppers? |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 09:55 PM |
#163 |
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Hey can you help me? I remember being about 12 and my family got lost on this back road off of |
beat tk |
May-07-08 11:45 AM |
#12 |
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Try this link to Lost River State Park: |
Kukesa |
May-07-08 01:09 PM |
#81 |
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My husband was born in Elkins and went to Greenbrier Military |
Kukesa |
May-07-08 11:45 AM |
#13 |
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Oh man Elkins! That has got to be one of the prettiest places in the US. |
beat tk |
May-07-08 11:46 AM |
#15 |
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Gotta agree with you. Almost heaven? n/t |
Kukesa |
May-07-08 11:49 AM |
#20 |
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Elkins is gorgeous country; impossible to get to though |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:55 AM |
#29 |
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Is it a closed primary? And do you know how many Democrats there are roughly? |
NotThisTime |
May-07-08 11:47 AM |
#16 |
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Independents can vote in the Democratic primary. |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:54 PM |
#186 |
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very interesting post, thank you for the info! |
Texas Hill Country |
May-07-08 11:49 AM |
#18 |
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Great post and great job at "Expectation Management" |
futureliveshere |
May-07-08 11:50 AM |
#21 |
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Shorter: Bigoted hillbillies who lost to Pitt last year - WOOT!! |
BlooInBloo |
May-07-08 11:52 AM |
#24 |
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My dad and I were trying to decide if that was the single worst day in state history |
theboss |
May-07-08 11:58 AM |
#31 |
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Heh. That's what's so great about rivalries - each one is a coin flip... |
BlooInBloo |
May-07-08 12:01 PM |
#35 |
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Excellent post! |
kentuck |
May-07-08 11:54 AM |
#26 |
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"my hometown which is really a suburb of Pittsburgh in some ways" |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 11:55 AM |
#28 |
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I was just going to ask him |
OnionPatch |
May-07-08 11:02 PM |
#187 |
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Big Red, or Catholic Central? |
skypuddle |
May-08-08 10:37 AM |
#202 |
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I played Little League right next to it |
theboss |
May-08-08 10:47 AM |
#204 |
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Wintersville High School |
OnionPatch |
May-08-08 03:50 PM |
#208 |
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I can probably tell you |
theboss |
May-08-08 04:06 PM |
#212 |
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Very interesting. |
janeaustin |
May-07-08 12:00 PM |
#33 |
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This is a FACT that is both indisputable, and unchangeable: |
AchtungToddler |
May-07-08 12:06 PM |
#37 |
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I don't disagree |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:07 PM |
#38 |
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Grew up in Martinsburg |
The Ghost |
May-07-08 12:09 PM |
#39 |
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The Eastern Panhandle and Northern Panhandle are outliers |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:17 PM |
#47 |
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so do you think Obama can win WV? |
The Ghost |
May-07-08 12:20 PM |
#50 |
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No...in neither the primary nor the general |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:22 PM |
#54 |
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Isnt ironic that WV seceded |
The Ghost |
May-07-08 12:23 PM |
# |
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We didn't really secede over slavery |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:29 PM |
#58 |
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Technicalities! :) |
The Ghost |
May-07-08 12:33 PM |
#61 |
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the eastern panhandle may be an outlier, but it has a nice chunk |
DeaconBlues |
May-08-08 11:22 AM |
#207 |
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I think you hit it on the head! I was married to a W Virginian whose family changed their name from |
1776Forever |
May-07-08 12:12 PM |
#42 |
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OMG...I loved this post. |
Harvey Korman |
May-07-08 12:15 PM |
#44 |
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I loved it too. Nice to read something both funny and true. n/t |
Kukesa |
May-07-08 12:18 PM |
#48 |
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Nicely put. Lived in Lewisburg for two years. I miss it. Beautiful down there. n/t |
JohnnyBoots |
May-07-08 12:18 PM |
#49 |
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Are you an osteopath? |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:20 PM |
#52 |
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The old Greenbrier Military Academy is now |
Kukesa |
May-07-08 12:25 PM |
#56 |
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My wife is. The O-School was great for both of us. They really |
JohnnyBoots |
May-07-08 01:55 PM |
#93 |
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Now is the time for all good Dems to come to the aid of their party! |
ClayZ |
May-07-08 12:20 PM |
#53 |
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Nice! .jpeg!! Thanks. nt |
patrice |
May-07-08 12:23 PM |
#55 |
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I found it right here on DU :-) |
ClayZ |
May-07-08 12:35 PM |
#63 |
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Sorry, but Idaho and Wyoming are racially isolated as well. That didn't stop them from voting Obama |
Alhena |
May-07-08 12:26 PM |
#57 |
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Obama might win a WV Caucus |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:34 PM |
#62 |
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Did the Big Dog win in WV twice? |
arewenotdemo |
May-07-08 10:50 PM |
#184 |
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What white people don't get their choice. and if it is not Obama |
dogday |
May-07-08 12:36 PM |
#64 |
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Yeah, there is a distinction. I don't think racists voted for Clinton in NH. |
beachmom |
May-07-08 03:58 PM |
#122 |
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I think most people vote what they know.... eom |
dogday |
May-07-08 08:56 PM |
#159 |
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Wisconsin as well. (I agree w the rest of your post as to the real reason) |
harun |
May-07-08 12:39 PM |
#67 |
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Then what do you call 92% voting for obama??? |
wvbygod |
May-07-08 01:56 PM |
#94 |
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Hi fellow Mountaineer! |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 02:25 PM |
#99 |
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Welcome to DU! |
Mudoria |
May-07-08 02:49 PM |
#101 |
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I lived in Buckhannon for a year |
DesertedRose |
May-07-08 12:39 PM |
#66 |
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Ok...Buckhannon deserves its own little section because scary shit happens there |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:47 PM |
#68 |
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My husband's mother was born in Buckhannon and the KKK |
Kukesa |
May-07-08 01:03 PM |
#75 |
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I'm not being defensive, but it's the only part of the state where I've heard extensive KKK stories |
theboss |
May-07-08 01:07 PM |
#80 |
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"Long live the Dancing Outlaw " |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 03:52 PM |
#119 |
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My Brother (who is black) lives in parkersburg and he loves it |
Fluffdaddy |
May-07-08 12:47 PM |
#69 |
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I have two questions about West Virginians... > |
TexanDem |
May-07-08 12:48 PM |
#70 |
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The first one is tricky |
theboss |
May-07-08 12:56 PM |
#71 |
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Thank you very much. Will be interesting to see how it goes. |
TexanDem |
May-07-08 12:59 PM |
#73 |
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my mother grew up in Charleston |
bigtree |
May-07-08 12:57 PM |
#72 |
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I went to a Rainbow Gathering in WV 18 years ago. |
fight4my3sons |
May-07-08 01:02 PM |
#74 |
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Wow. Freaking Amazing Post. |
prodn2000 |
May-07-08 01:04 PM |
#77 |
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I'm familiar with the state |
marions ghost |
May-07-08 01:04 PM |
#78 |
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There is no loyalty to the Republican Party in WV...never has been |
theboss |
May-07-08 01:11 PM |
#82 |
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sounds about right |
marions ghost |
May-07-08 01:54 PM |
#92 |
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Thanks for the thorough and informative description and a question for you |
onenote |
May-07-08 01:11 PM |
#83 |
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Some...maybe....Our relationship with our senators is weird |
theboss |
May-07-08 01:16 PM |
#84 |
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thanks. |
onenote |
May-07-08 01:20 PM |
#85 |
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Here ya go. Let's see if I look familiar... |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 01:23 PM |
#86 |
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I liked Morgantown |
DesertedRose |
May-07-08 01:50 PM |
#90 |
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I still live here in Morgantown, and ugh, I'm getting too damned old for this place. |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 02:16 PM |
#98 |
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Wow...you look amazing. n/t |
hillsidestrangler |
May-07-08 01:50 PM |
#91 |
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Well thank you. |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 02:13 PM |
#96 |
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That was my first thought too.. You watch out |
SoCalDem |
May-07-08 03:36 PM |
#110 |
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Hey, I only go after the conservatives.... |
hillsidestrangler |
May-07-08 10:18 PM |
#175 |
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uhhh....... |
BigDaddy44 |
May-07-08 03:24 PM |
#106 |
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Thanks, I think. |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 03:54 PM |
#121 |
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She's mine. I saw her first. |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:16 PM |
#129 |
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"Though a cousin of hers will be at my wedding..." |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 09:52 PM |
#162 |
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You're beautiful! |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 10:25 PM |
#177 |
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Sky... |
HooptieWagon |
May-07-08 10:37 PM |
#182 |
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"I'd be happy to show you around." |
skypuddle |
May-08-08 09:27 AM |
#199 |
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I'm busted! |
HooptieWagon |
May-08-08 09:50 AM |
#200 |
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I was born and raised in a PGH suburb too and |
ladywnch |
May-07-08 01:28 PM |
#87 |
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I admit ... |
Khaotic |
May-07-08 01:35 PM |
#88 |
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Do y'all grow a lot of weed? The demo's and geography suggest it. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-07-08 01:58 PM |
#95 |
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Marijuana is WV's #1 cash crop. |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 02:15 PM |
#97 |
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There was a program on The History Channel about pot-growing in Appalachia |
theboss |
May-07-08 02:52 PM |
#102 |
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Think of the roads, schools, and healthcare |
Jed Dilligan |
May-07-08 02:57 PM |
#103 |
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"We are not liberal" Excuse me, whsat is your definition of liberal? Don't you care about economics? |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 03:21 PM |
#104 |
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40 years ago, the Unions had power. |
theboss |
May-07-08 03:39 PM |
#112 |
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The more MR and other "efficiency" measures they endorse, the more jobs will be cut. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 03:49 PM |
#118 |
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I never thought of West Virginia as a paticulary pro-capitliast state |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:20 PM |
#131 |
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I might live with capitalism (the original version, not what we have now.) |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 10:02 PM |
#167 |
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I'm really trying to explain how odd West Virginia's politics are |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:41 PM |
#140 |
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Sounds like it is a clannish place... not unlike parts of Scotland and Ireland |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 10:05 PM |
#169 |
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"other mountainous "don't fuck with us and we won't fuck with you" type places." |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 10:18 PM |
#174 |
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Could be a Dem pick up this fall. Important to hold a Dem primary there to |
McCamy Taylor |
May-07-08 03:23 PM |
#105 |
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As an Obama supporter, I think WV is one state that Hillary can win that he can't |
theboss |
May-07-08 03:41 PM |
#115 |
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Also, those interstates and strip mines are filling every single holler with gravel and slag |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 03:27 PM |
#108 |
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All Obama needs is to declare Jesco White as his running mate... |
iiibbb |
May-07-08 03:36 PM |
#111 |
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West Virginians who work in the DC area (mostly building trades) like to joke about "Homey" |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 03:40 PM |
#113 |
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Yikes , I wouldn't like to be live there |
UndertheOcean |
May-07-08 03:40 PM |
#114 |
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Not having any zoning has its advantages |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:30 PM |
#134 |
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You forgot to mention Don Blankenship |
underpants |
May-07-08 03:45 PM |
#117 |
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So Hillary wins because she's the incumbent (sort of). |
ieoeja |
May-07-08 04:00 PM |
#123 |
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I think Obama has a hell of a hill to climb in the general |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:31 PM |
#136 |
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Considering Al Gore lost by 5.... |
ieoeja |
May-07-08 04:36 PM |
#138 |
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Obama doesn't stand a chance against McCain in WV. |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:52 PM |
#185 |
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Nice synopsis. |
susankh4 |
May-07-08 04:02 PM |
#124 |
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I certainly would not recognize that as the state |
MadAnne |
May-07-08 04:06 PM |
#125 |
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Are you in Bluefield? |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:28 PM |
#133 |
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good post - sad, funny, frustrating |
RainDog |
May-07-08 04:15 PM |
#128 |
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You forgot Morgantown. There are plenty of black people in Morgantown. |
oktoberain |
May-07-08 04:18 PM |
#130 |
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Morgantown is only 4 percent black. |
theboss |
May-07-08 04:27 PM |
#132 |
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Yes, but that only counts the people who live within the city limits. |
oktoberain |
May-07-08 06:05 PM |
#152 |
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Hey! |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 09:22 PM |
#161 |
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posting from my home here in Bluefield and...... |
bobbydem |
May-07-08 05:13 PM |
#141 |
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Is not having many or any blacks in your state really a justification for being racist? |
kwenu |
May-07-08 05:22 PM |
#142 |
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A guy from Sweden would probably be poked with a stick |
theboss |
May-07-08 05:24 PM |
#144 |
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You know, I don't think I want to allow you to |
MadAnne |
May-07-08 05:31 PM |
#146 |
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Wierd albino ice-men should always be poked! Just look at Conan O'Brien n/t |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 10:15 PM |
#172 |
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One horribly ugly xenophobic/racial moment from my childhood |
theboss |
May-07-08 05:34 PM |
#147 |
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Did the steel mill get built? n/t |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-07-08 10:17 PM |
#173 |
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Yes |
theboss |
May-08-08 12:33 AM |
#193 |
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I had to laugh at this. Simply because it is so ridiculous. I hope they've made a little progress |
kwenu |
May-07-08 11:41 PM |
#188 |
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Dude. This was 1983 |
theboss |
May-08-08 12:34 AM |
#194 |
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Obama plans to win Wyoming instead |
OzarkDem |
May-07-08 05:23 PM |
#143 |
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I remember someone posting... |
stillcool47 |
May-07-08 05:29 PM |
#145 |
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Why are the Appalachians so Hillarite? |
carolinayellowdog |
May-07-08 05:36 PM |
#148 |
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Thanks for the info!! |
Zachstar |
May-07-08 05:43 PM |
#149 |
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Basically, West Virginia is full |
spokane |
May-07-08 06:06 PM |
#153 |
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What is the feeling in WV about the war? |
dansolo |
May-07-08 06:11 PM |
#154 |
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Great info TB, throughout the tread. Thanks. |
WIllo |
May-07-08 07:09 PM |
#156 |
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Hmm..thanks for the heads up. I'll probably avoid that area for now nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
May-07-08 07:31 PM |
#158 |
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One of the black people who live in WV |
MadAnne |
May-07-08 09:02 PM |
#160 |
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Mountain Stage is the gem of the state! LOVE that show. n/t |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:40 PM |
#183 |
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Wouldn't you say that anti-environmentalism has something to do with it? |
Hippo_Tron |
May-07-08 09:56 PM |
#164 |
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No, it has much more to do with Gun politics than environmentalsim. |
skypuddle |
May-07-08 10:14 PM |
#171 |
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Agreed. The majority of West Virginians actually OPPOSE strip mining. n/t |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:35 PM |
#181 |
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Could you also recognize them by this flag ? Just wondering. |
L0oniX |
May-07-08 10:01 PM |
#166 |
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West Virginian for Obama here checking in. |
Blondiegrrl |
May-07-08 10:25 PM |
#176 |
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Obama will win Monongalia county... |
skypuddle |
May-08-08 10:34 AM |
#201 |
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Can you really see him winning Hancok or Ohio counties? |
theboss |
May-08-08 10:42 AM |
#203 |
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Ohio county? Yeah. |
skypuddle |
May-08-08 10:58 AM |
#205 |
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Nice explanation |
davidpdx |
May-08-08 12:27 AM |
#191 |
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As a black man who lived in Parkersburg, WV for 1 year |
hokies4ever |
May-08-08 12:32 AM |
#192 |
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"most blacks wouldn't feel comfortable living or even visiting." Why? |
Fluffdaddy |
May-08-08 05:17 AM |
#196 |
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There is a clue in the OP |
Apollo11 |
May-08-08 05:35 AM |
#197 |
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Don't overstate the case |
theboss |
May-08-08 08:11 AM |
#198 |
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Anyone think Obama will campaign there? |
pettypace |
May-08-08 01:32 AM |
#195 |
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Absolutely fascinating stuff! |
msallied |
May-08-08 11:20 AM |
#206 |
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You make West Virginians sound like a bunch of willfully ignorant morons |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-08-08 03:55 PM |
#209 |
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I think we sound like nice people |
theboss |
May-08-08 04:04 PM |
#211 |
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I'd like to thank the OP for a great post. |
george_maniakes |
May-08-08 03:58 PM |
#210 |
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New Poll on RCP |
Secret_Society |
May-08-08 04:29 PM |
#213 |