JoFerret
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Tue May-06-08 05:15 PM
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This is true. But we sure have a deal of trumped up divides and differences going now don't we? And don't the media love it.
And people seem to actually believe they are deep, unbreachable and significant.
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| -I don't want to scare you but...these 2 candidates are pretty much the same. |
janesez |
May-06-08 03:46 PM |
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No and no. They're not pretty much the same. IWR, K-L, etc. No. no. nt |
thereismore |
May-06-08 03:49 PM |
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Sigh. |
janesez |
May-06-08 03:50 PM |
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Thanks for the post, Janesez. Gives me some hope that this place will |
Radio_Lady |
May-06-08 03:52 PM |
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Glad to read a modulated post, Radio Lady. |
lumpy |
May-06-08 04:56 PM |
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She was. nt |
thereismore |
May-06-08 04:05 PM |
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amazing how people have to be reminded of that little fact. obama couldn't have |
niyad |
May-06-08 04:51 PM |
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Obama didn't bother to vote on Kyle-Lieberman. |
last1standing |
May-06-08 03:57 PM |
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In the real world of Democrats |
leftofcool |
May-06-08 03:51 PM |
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Exactly - ANYBODY BUT THE REPIGS! |
janesez |
May-06-08 03:51 PM |
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When I think back to Bill Clinton's support for NAFTA, telecom reform |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:48 PM |
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My candidate didn't align himself with McCain against the other candidate of his party. |
Oregonian |
May-06-08 03:51 PM |
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Well, your candidate deserves to win, right? |
Radio_Lady |
May-06-08 03:52 PM |
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Sigh. |
janesez |
May-06-08 03:53 PM |
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I'm just saying ... They are NOT the same. |
Oregonian |
May-06-08 03:55 PM |
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Can you take the high road and join the Democratic cry |
Juniperx |
May-06-08 03:54 PM |
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See my journal post. I plan to let it remain there until November 2008. |
Radio_Lady |
May-06-08 03:55 PM |
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Bravo from a fellow Democrat and we need more like you |
dogday |
May-06-08 03:59 PM |
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Thanks. I will never desert the Democratic party. Expect to vote that way for the rest of my life. |
Radio_Lady |
May-06-08 04:00 PM |
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Well done, Radio_Lady! |
Juniperx |
May-06-08 04:09 PM |
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Their voting records are practically |
leftynyc |
May-06-08 03:52 PM |
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Their voting records, their platforms, their policy ideas, their ideology. |
janesez |
May-06-08 03:54 PM |
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The supporters of both candidates |
leftynyc |
May-07-08 09:34 AM |
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That it is.... |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-07-08 03:15 PM |
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Remember, he couldn't ditch Wright until the time when he COULD ditch Wright! |
Radio_Lady |
May-06-08 03:54 PM |
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He gave a major speech against it. |
Levgreee |
May-06-08 03:55 PM |
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When he had NOTHING TO LOSE. |
janesez |
May-06-08 03:56 PM |
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How did he have nothing to lose, exactly? A speech like that would follow him around his whole |
Levgreee |
May-06-08 04:02 PM |
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He was a STATE SENATOR in a heavily Democratic area. |
janesez |
May-06-08 04:03 PM |
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And you believe he just wanted to stay a state senator the rest of his career? |
Levgreee |
May-06-08 04:09 PM |
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He gave that speech a few months before his run for US Senate |
TheDoorbellRang |
May-06-08 04:43 PM |
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I remember further back than 6 months ago. I and many more |
lumpy |
May-06-08 05:11 PM |
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How does he have nothing to lose? |
BklnDem75 |
May-06-08 04:19 PM |
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Bullshit. He was running for Senate in a Democratic Primary. |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:43 PM |
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But Hillary actually did vote for the IWR |
DanTex |
May-06-08 04:09 PM |
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... and Obama stayed in his church for 20 years! |
Radio_Lady |
May-06-08 04:48 PM |
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omg w/ the church shit |
beezlebum |
May-06-08 05:10 PM |
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Are you kidding me? You're comparing a decision to allow the slaughter of innocents |
Oregonian |
May-06-08 10:12 PM |
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You'll have to ask her why she voted |
leftynyc |
May-07-08 09:36 AM |
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So Hillary moved left for a year before the Democratic Primary. |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:41 PM |
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Don't speak to me about pandering |
leftynyc |
May-07-08 09:33 AM |
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I am alerting your post |
ZombyWoof |
May-06-08 03:55 PM |
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Crap, sorry, forgot where I was for a minute. |
janesez |
May-06-08 03:59 PM |
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Put some 1's with your exclamation points |
ZombyWoof |
May-06-08 04:02 PM |
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"I'm on hold with them now, what should I say?" - Arwalden |
janesez |
May-06-08 04:05 PM |
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Exactly |
KingFlorez |
May-06-08 03:56 PM |
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One is DLC and the other is not |
mrone2 |
May-06-08 03:57 PM |
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Perhaps to you. |
janesez |
May-06-08 04:01 PM |
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You're probably right, but the erradication of the DLC has to start someplace |
mrone2 |
May-06-08 04:06 PM |
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That's the spirit! |
Zodiak Ironfist |
May-06-08 04:21 PM |
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Very well stated and I couldn't agree with you more |
mrone2 |
May-06-08 04:23 PM |
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We have broken their backs, there is NO DOUBT. |
PassingFair |
May-06-08 10:06 PM |
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The DLC members support Obama |
Two Americas |
May-06-08 04:20 PM |
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If they do then it certainly seems |
mrone2 |
May-06-08 04:25 PM |
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I suppose |
Two Americas |
May-06-08 04:30 PM |
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You should look again |
Zodiak Ironfist |
May-06-08 05:21 PM |
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thanks |
Two Americas |
May-06-08 05:51 PM |
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Barack Obama's Chief Economic Advisor is also Head Economist for the DLC :( |
Romulox |
May-06-08 04:47 PM |
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A Politician is A Politician is A Politician |
dogday |
May-06-08 04:00 PM |
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well |
masshole |
May-06-08 04:01 PM |
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No, they're nothing alike. |
bowens43 |
May-06-08 04:04 PM |
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Hey, there's that reason and level-headedness I was looking for! |
janesez |
May-06-08 04:05 PM |
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Uh, you forgot neocon feminazi. nt. |
cbayer |
May-06-08 04:39 PM |
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peter barack obama is an opportunist who would have us believe absurdities |
niyad |
May-06-08 05:00 PM |
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Hear hear The veil needs lifting |
lumpy |
May-06-08 05:28 PM |
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K & R |
highplainsdem |
May-06-08 04:05 PM |
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On the issues, you're probably right |
NeedleCast |
May-06-08 04:06 PM |
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Judging others' integrity is a pretty woolly business. |
janesez |
May-06-08 04:08 PM |
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Race-baiting eh? |
redqueen |
May-06-08 04:11 PM |
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That's flame-baiting, not race-baiting. |
cbayer |
May-06-08 04:33 PM |
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Asking for evidence is flamebait? |
redqueen |
May-06-08 04:34 PM |
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Yes, Redqueen. |
cbayer |
May-06-08 04:44 PM |
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I guess. |
redqueen |
May-06-08 04:48 PM |
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Awww, Redqueen. |
cbayer |
May-06-08 04:55 PM |
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I suppose it's a sign of being cowed. |
redqueen |
May-06-08 05:25 PM |
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Someone With 16 Posts To Their Credit Is Not Going to Be Taken Seriously As Inquisitor, Ya Know? |
Crisco |
May-06-08 10:10 PM |
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The Clintons represent the Clintons...Obama represents the Democratic Party |
zulchzulu |
May-06-08 04:13 PM |
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I vouchsafe that is YOUR opinion. I've come to a different conclusion. |
Radio_Lady |
May-06-08 04:49 PM |
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They will NOT implement their policies or run the White House in the same way though! |
Triana |
May-06-08 04:19 PM |
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That's where he will disappoint his base |
ZombyWoof |
May-06-08 04:41 PM |
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Shh, you'll confuse them. |
janesez |
May-06-08 09:55 PM |
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Me? Scare? |
ZombyWoof |
May-07-08 03:14 PM |
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why would that scare me |
texshelters |
May-06-08 04:21 PM |
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The world according to CNN. |
dailykoff |
May-06-08 04:22 PM |
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No, they're not anything alike. |
TexasObserver |
May-06-08 04:25 PM |
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Do you expect Hillary to roll back the "unitary executive"? |
eallen |
May-06-08 04:29 PM |
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Thanks for your concern, Ralph. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-06-08 04:31 PM |
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LOFL |
FlyingSquirrel |
May-06-08 04:35 PM |
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I am a Democrat and I will fully support the Democratic nominee |
cbayer |
May-06-08 04:35 PM |
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Many of the same stated positions, two totally different people |
BeyondGeography |
May-06-08 04:36 PM |
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Obamas energy postion is what makes me want to vote for him |
uponit7771 |
May-06-08 04:36 PM |
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Actually. The people themselves are NOTHING alike. |
bunnies |
May-06-08 04:38 PM |
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Complete Bullshit. |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:39 PM |
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delete |
speedoo |
May-06-08 04:44 PM |
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Leading what? |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:46 PM |
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sorry, I deleted... was addressing OP and posted in the wrong place. nt |
speedoo |
May-06-08 04:47 PM |
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ah! |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:49 PM |
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Say It Isn't So! |
Crisco |
May-06-08 04:42 PM |
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you're right... |
joeybee12 |
May-06-08 04:42 PM |
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I hear a lot of progressive female supports of Hillary make this argument. |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:45 PM |
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Except one of them has already won the nomination |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-06-08 04:46 PM |
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Absolutely untrue |
ZombyWoof |
May-06-08 04:55 PM |
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That isn't how it worked for Clinton, Gore and Kerry. |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:57 PM |
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please tell me exactly when peter barack obama secured the necessary 2.025 delegates |
niyad |
May-06-08 05:04 PM |
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And I suppose your opinion would be unchanged if Hillary were leading this? |
speedoo |
May-06-08 04:46 PM |
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Well drawn post, janesez. I agree wholeheartedly with what |
lumpy |
May-06-08 04:49 PM |
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If you want to understand the difference between the two. |
Radical Activist |
May-06-08 04:52 PM |
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I use to agree with you. |
sellitman |
May-06-08 04:52 PM |
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Yes you are scaring me.....because it appears that you believe that folks here |
FrenchieCat |
May-06-08 04:55 PM |
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Sure. One appeals to bigots and wants to obliterate 70 million people. The other doesn't... |
BlooInBloo |
May-06-08 04:57 PM |
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policy-wise...maybe |
jeffrey_X |
May-06-08 04:59 PM |
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k & r |
niyad |
May-06-08 05:01 PM |
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Tell me about it. |
cat_girl25 |
May-06-08 05:03 PM |
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Thanks janesez |
JoFerret |
May-06-08 05:15 PM |
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Together they would be unbeatable... |
Sancho |
May-06-08 05:30 PM |
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All of you who think it does not matter if a dem wins if it is not your |
MasonJar |
May-06-08 05:34 PM |
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Not to mention HUNDREDS on the federal courts. |
janesez |
May-06-08 10:03 PM |
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please-clinton has run a completly sleazy campaign and her connections are right wing |
natrat |
May-06-08 05:59 PM |
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Pretty much |
bigwillq |
May-06-08 10:06 PM |
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Well said! |
BigBearJohn |
May-06-08 10:49 PM |
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No, there is no ideological divide |
eridani |
May-07-08 05:23 AM |
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Gas tax holiday ring a bell? |
hokies4ever |
May-07-08 05:28 AM |
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You are saying Obama pandered three times in the State Senate? |
DemGa |
May-07-08 09:35 AM |
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No, we're saying he learned a lesson and Clinton should stop getting ideas from McSame |
SoonerPride |
May-07-08 03:15 PM |
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You know Clinton's plan is different than McCain's plan |
DemGa |
May-07-08 03:48 PM |
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It is economic folly |
SoonerPride |
May-07-08 03:54 PM |
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Then you also agree that Obama pandered three times |
DemGa |
May-07-08 03:59 PM |
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Hmmm, one is DLC and one isn't n/t |
itsjustme |
May-07-08 03:06 PM |
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Of course they are |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-07-08 03:08 PM |
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Yup. Has to be personal - there isn't anything else to argue about. |
janesez |
May-07-08 03:10 PM |
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As a full out |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-07-08 03:20 PM |
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Don't mean to stomp on your scare argument, but |
ProSense |
May-07-08 03:27 PM |
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See post 76. |
janesez |
May-07-08 03:29 PM |
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What does that have to do with the comparing Hillary to Obama? |
ProSense |
May-07-08 03:32 PM |
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You posted a thread about Hillary and Lieberman's DLC ties. |
janesez |
May-07-08 03:33 PM |
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An adviser with DLC ties, doesn't transform Obama's campaign into the DLC |
ProSense |
May-07-08 03:53 PM |
#133 |
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