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Sat Jul-17-04 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #60 |
| 61. we aren't getting out |
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Kerry says we are staying a long time, so we need to accept it and get over it.
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| -Was Ted Kennedy right to vote against the IWR... |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:08 AM |
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Why are we still having this discussion? |
Zynx |
Jul-17-04 10:10 AM |
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well |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:13 AM |
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Talk is cheap |
BareKnuckledLiberal |
Jul-17-04 10:39 AM |
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I agree. This is nice for background chit chat. But the fact is that we |
TexasSissy |
Jul-26-04 03:39 PM |
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Of course Ted Kennedy was correct to vote against it |
WI_DEM |
Jul-17-04 10:12 AM |
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Kennedy can understand Kerry's vote. . .why can't you? |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:15 AM |
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what I can't understand is |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:16 AM |
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Don't know - I wasn't in the Senate |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:24 AM |
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I wasnt in the senate either |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:26 AM |
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Threat of force to show seriousness, but Bush ABUSED it |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:33 AM |
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no, it was the authority to go to war |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:45 AM |
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Yes but.... |
hf_jai |
Jul-17-04 05:35 PM |
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it was a DEM controlled senate in 2002. |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 05:53 PM |
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Oops. Right you are... |
hf_jai |
Jul-17-04 06:45 PM |
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Well hell yes you can |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 10:17 AM |
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so you can both |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:20 AM |
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Dumb analogy - it is not either/or |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:30 AM |
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you can be for giving the president the power to wage war, |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:37 AM |
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My city council authorizes the police to use force, but not to KILL FOR NO |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:48 AM |
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not the same thing |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:54 AM |
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Are you sure? Because I am not so sure that Bush did not violate IWR |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:57 AM |
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I blame both of them. |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:59 AM |
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You act as if they have equal responsibility, and that indicates a lack of |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 11:06 AM |
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if he says that and then hands you a paper which says |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:11 AM |
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The President Takes an Oath Of Office |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 11:43 AM |
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If we should be able to "trust" the President |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 12:43 PM |
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Don't be ridiculous. . . |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 01:14 PM |
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did YOU believe there was an imminent threat? |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 02:20 PM |
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No I was skeptical, You and I are starting over again!!! see post #8 |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 04:58 PM |
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Hussein had been president for 24 years, and in that time he never |
zoeyfong |
Jul-18-04 05:20 AM |
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The "Kerry trusted Bush" line is an embarassment both to kerry and |
zoeyfong |
Jul-18-04 04:59 AM |
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He violated the country's trust??? Most americans wanted war, |
zoeyfong |
Jul-18-04 04:47 AM |
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Two different situations |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 10:32 AM |
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but the effect is the same! |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:34 AM |
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Because of George Bush |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 10:39 AM |
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If you give... |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:43 AM |
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George Bush isn't a child |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 10:51 AM |
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but Congress is like the president's parent |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:58 AM |
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The CiC STILL deploys troops |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 11:04 AM |
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Congress must be a check on the president |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:12 AM |
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Bush is responsible for his own actions; Kerry is responsible for his. |
zoeyfong |
Jul-18-04 05:06 AM |
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Another Thread appears to be applicable here |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:59 AM |
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You've just lost credibility |
Zidane |
Jul-27-04 03:01 AM |
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For some of us the election is about that vote |
TeacherCreature |
Jul-27-04 05:05 AM |
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it was not the only path available |
56kid |
Jul-17-04 04:05 PM |
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Put it this way |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-17-04 10:36 AM |
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Im voting for Kerry |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:40 AM |
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In 2002 I thought IWR was an up/down vote to invade |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:46 AM |
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thats a stupid reason not to apologize |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:48 AM |
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Let me put it another way |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 10:51 AM |
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I agree that Kerry's application was wrong |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:01 AM |
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Bush is the one who blew the application. . . |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 11:07 AM |
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why didnt john kerry do his |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:09 AM |
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Here is NYT interview |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 11:16 AM |
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thats nice |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:19 AM |
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He won't "apologize" for a vote to defend the US from an imminent threat |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 11:38 AM |
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thats not what the vote was about |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 12:43 PM |
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ahhhhh the big lie |
TeacherCreature |
Jul-17-04 08:22 PM |
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"that's all I care about on this issue" |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-17-04 12:27 PM |
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He's trying to Stop Bush - He is trying to DEFEAT GWB for the presidency |
emulatorloo |
Jul-17-04 11:24 AM |
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So why didn't he dissent when the war started, when presumably |
zoeyfong |
Jul-18-04 04:43 AM |
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It hardly matters, |
sunny5555 |
Jul-17-04 10:30 AM |
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the point is he should have stood up to Bush |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:33 AM |
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Two things |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 10:48 AM |
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that's a huge assumption |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 10:52 AM |
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That's NOT what I said |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 11:01 AM |
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and he won't |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:08 AM |
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lol |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 11:23 AM |
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a different foreign policy? |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:28 AM |
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More distortions |
sandnsea |
Jul-17-04 12:52 PM |
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I am voting for him |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 02:24 PM |
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Maybe,Maybe. |
sunny5555 |
Jul-17-04 11:06 AM |
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War powers act |
Zidane |
Jul-27-04 03:08 AM |
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Political expediency was probably a factor in Kerry & Edwards' |
Hoping4Change |
Jul-17-04 10:43 AM |
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I think it was more complex than that. |
Monte Carlo |
Jul-17-04 10:52 AM |
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Clinton, |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:02 AM |
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No, he is no stranger to unilateral military action. |
Monte Carlo |
Jul-17-04 01:30 PM |
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ever seen Bowling for Columbine |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 02:26 PM |
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Yes, I own the DVD. |
Monte Carlo |
Jul-17-04 02:47 PM |
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He was right, Kerry was wrong. But considering 70% of the population was |
mzmolly |
Jul-17-04 11:21 AM |
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I think his rationale was sad |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:23 AM |
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Were in 100% agreement here. |
mzmolly |
Jul-17-04 11:25 AM |
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no it didn't! |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 11:30 AM |
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I agree with you in principal, which is why I supported Dean. |
mzmolly |
Jul-17-04 11:37 AM |
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wouldnt the "ignorant populace" |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 02:29 PM |
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I don't know that the Dems who supported the war "love it." |
mzmolly |
Jul-17-04 02:52 PM |
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if they feel "had" over the war |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 02:55 PM |
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I think most other Presidents would have handled the authority given to |
mzmolly |
Jul-17-04 03:07 PM |
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I prefer sincerity too |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 03:10 PM |
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Hindsite is always 20/20. I think after Kerry is elected he'll say much |
mzmolly |
Jul-17-04 03:56 PM |
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but now less than half support the war |
TeacherCreature |
Jul-17-04 08:25 PM |
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Ted was right. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Jul-17-04 11:22 AM |
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The IWR vote is history-- what matters now is WHEN ARE WE GETTING OUT |
no name no slogan |
Jul-17-04 12:03 PM |
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we aren't getting out |
clarkVP |
Jul-17-04 12:19 PM |
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Kerry says one thing, but often does another |
no name no slogan |
Jul-17-04 05:35 PM |
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We're back to square one here. |
JVS |
Jul-26-04 12:56 PM |
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Kennedy was right |
Forkboy |
Jul-17-04 12:30 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-17-04 01:03 PM |
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Kennedy was right and so was Levin and Stabenow |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-17-04 01:38 PM |
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Dayton and Wellstone from my state of Minnesota were also right. |
mzmolly |
Jul-17-04 03:09 PM |
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They are not mutually exclusive, but Kennedy was wrong. |
gulliver |
Jul-17-04 02:46 PM |
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you would have been in a tiny minority among DUers back in 2002 |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 02:51 PM |
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That's definitely fallacious and possibly untrue. |
gulliver |
Jul-17-04 03:01 PM |
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you don't need evidence to vote AGIANST something |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 03:08 PM |
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There WAS evidence to vote for it. |
gulliver |
Jul-17-04 03:17 PM |
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if there was evidence necessary for a war |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 03:21 PM |
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What did 20 million people around the world know that the CIA didn't know? |
no name no slogan |
Jul-18-04 03:18 AM |
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Not enough evidence to support vote against? |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-17-04 03:24 PM |
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As I say elsewhere, there WAS sufficient evidence to vote for it. |
gulliver |
Jul-17-04 03:41 PM |
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Wow. |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-17-04 03:48 PM |
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OK. Well where's the circle? |
gulliver |
Jul-17-04 04:01 PM |
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This Thread Ain't Nothing But %^**! |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-17-04 02:47 PM |
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thank you for your constructive comments |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 02:52 PM |
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You Are Welcome |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-17-04 06:09 PM |
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It's spelled... |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 06:11 PM |
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I Fixed It |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-17-04 07:02 PM |
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I am, |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 07:46 PM |
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You Really Are Taken With Yourself |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-17-04 07:48 PM |
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If It Makes You Happy Ted Was Right But Ted's Backing Kerry Now |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-17-04 07:52 PM |
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you are quite amenable! |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 08:12 PM |
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When Bush Pulled Out Of The ABM Treaty Gore Said It Was A Horrible Mistake |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-17-04 08:20 PM |
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is "%^**!" some kind of abbreviation for "inconvenient"? |
JVS |
Jul-26-04 12:59 PM |
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Ted Kennedy did the right thing. |
maggiefaye |
Jul-17-04 03:41 PM |
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Kerry was wrong on 2002 IWR |
Larkspur |
Jul-17-04 03:54 PM |
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This argument is why a lot of us see this country going down |
Kanary |
Jul-17-04 03:59 PM |
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Thank you for summing up my thinking better than I would |
Forkboy |
Jul-17-04 05:01 PM |
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^_^ |
Kanary |
Jul-17-04 05:41 PM |
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I don't defend the actions |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-17-04 07:00 PM |
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I understand your thinking |
lastliberalintexas |
Jul-26-04 02:23 PM |
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It is now my opinion that the "DLC types" |
democratreformed |
Jul-26-04 04:50 PM |
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Hear Hear! |
Pastiche423 |
Jul-17-04 09:10 PM |
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Thanks, darboy. |
RafterMan |
Jul-17-04 06:48 PM |
#107 |
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you are very welcome, sir |
darboy |
Jul-17-04 06:51 PM |
#108 |
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Posting here is kind of like living in the novel 1984 |
TeacherCreature |
Jul-17-04 08:40 PM |
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Kerry's vote.... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Jul-17-04 08:34 PM |
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All Successful Politicians Are Trimmers.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-17-04 08:49 PM |
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So there.... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Jul-17-04 09:43 PM |
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I would say |
fujiyama |
Jul-18-04 05:47 AM |
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Kennedy was right, Kerry was wrong |
JVS |
Jul-26-04 12:58 PM |
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Kennedy was right. Kerry was stupid. At least Kerry isn't evil. |
genius |
Jul-26-04 01:19 PM |
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It depends |
Nicholas_J |
Jul-26-04 06:18 PM |
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War is peace |
TeacherCreature |
Jul-27-04 05:01 AM |
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The War Was Wrong.... The War Was Wrong.... The War Was Wrong..... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-26-04 06:39 PM |
#138 |
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LOL! Are people who lamely try to divert and divide |
John_H |
Jul-26-04 09:37 PM |
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so, just because I point out a complaint about our candidate |
darboy |
Jul-26-04 10:10 PM |
#140 |
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Kennedy was right and Kerry is wrong |
ACK |
Jul-27-04 08:44 AM |
#145 |
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