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Basically, Obama will be the nominee. The superdelegates are NOT going to jeopardize the future of the party by alienating the massive youth vote this cycle. If the superdelegates take the nom away from Obama, the Dem Party will have lost a generation. (ah, here it is... this article. It makes several salient points as to why Obama *will be* the nominee.) p.s. I would add my own spin, as well, that going with Obama and LOSING will also be better for the party, because the youth demo will then be alienated even further from the Republican Party, having seen the campaign that they had run against Obama. (In the same way that the youth have become alienated from the Clintons.) The Party elders will be looking-out for the future of the Party, and it lies with an Obama nomination. |
| -Obama's absymal performance among White Democrats. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 03:54 PM |
#0 |
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I will never understand the logic of equating the primaries to the general election... |
GarbagemanLB |
Apr-25-08 03:56 PM |
#1 |
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It's not logic: it's spin |
Hardhead |
Apr-25-08 04:07 PM |
#25 |
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seconded. |
knixphan |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#196 |
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in a caucus |
northzax |
Apr-25-08 08:09 PM |
#221 |
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Caucus vs. primary is beside the point |
Hardhead |
Apr-26-08 11:45 AM |
#271 |
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Not logic. It's CalvinBall. n/t |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:08 PM |
#27 |
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It's like the Yankees bragging about losing 10-2 in a baseball game instead of 10-0 |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:08 PM |
#28 |
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Please answer the question. Why will the majority of Hillary's base vote for McCain over Obama? |
GarbagemanLB |
Apr-25-08 04:09 PM |
#30 |
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Is her support coming from Reagan democrats and values voters? |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:12 PM |
#40 |
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I never said the majority. I said enough to swing the election. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:12 PM |
#41 |
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Bingo!@ nt |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:56 PM |
#96 |
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Eureka! I think he's got it. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:57 PM |
#97 |
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Holy cow! that makes sense. |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:57 PM |
#98 |
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. |
Abacus |
Apr-25-08 10:13 PM |
#242 |
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EXACTLY! |
zlt234 |
Apr-26-08 11:17 AM |
#268 |
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No - it's like a football team pretending they got a first down when they're a yard short . . . |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:25 PM |
#59 |
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Whoever your candidate |
shadowknows69 |
Apr-25-08 05:04 PM |
#106 |
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You forgot such states as Vermont |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:10 PM |
#153 |
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Maine and Vermont are reliably Democratic states. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:16 PM |
#160 |
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she won't get the chance. she's done. |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:32 PM |
#183 |
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Whatever you say. You continue to not address my points and instead engage in cognitive dissonance. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:33 PM |
#186 |
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Pointing out the obvious |
JoFerret |
Apr-26-08 02:16 PM |
#274 |
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RE: BEG TO DIFFER |
cjsmom44 |
Apr-26-08 05:54 AM |
#262 |
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New Map |
gbrenna |
Apr-25-08 07:17 PM |
#161 |
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Where is Obama going to win 270 electorate votes without Florida and Ohio? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:26 PM |
#171 |
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New Map |
gbrenna |
Apr-25-08 08:04 PM |
#217 |
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Your post is fine, and welcome to DU. |
Straight Shooter |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#175 |
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Thanks! |
gbrenna |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#199 |
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Especially when you translate the results to the electoral college |
JoFerret |
Apr-26-08 06:53 AM |
#266 |
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You want us to keep it civil after that subject line? |
sparosnare |
Apr-25-08 03:56 PM |
#2 |
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It's the truth. Obama has done terribly among white Democrats. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:09 PM |
#29 |
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Absolutely not true. Hillary is more successful with whites of certain... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:14 PM |
#44 |
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Huh? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:51 PM |
#90 |
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Your inaccurate insult of young voters is disgusting... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 05:29 PM |
# |
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Duplicate deleted. |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 05:29 PM |
#121 |
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The numbers speak for themselves. When you lost white Dems 70-28 that cuts across age |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:02 PM |
#150 |
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old? You mean over thirty-five? |
northzax |
Apr-25-08 08:13 PM |
#223 |
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no it's not "the truth". it's your opinion |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:12 PM |
#155 |
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No, it's a fact. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:27 PM |
#174 |
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And you conveniently ignore almost all the states he's won |
gmudem |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#197 |
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All of them caucuses states. What's your point? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 08:19 PM |
#225 |
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I'll be back. |
CreekDog |
Apr-25-08 03:56 PM |
#3 |
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Maybe we should make the primaries whites only the way we used to |
democrattotheend |
Apr-25-08 03:57 PM |
#4 |
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Because we are picking a Democratic nominee. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#33 |
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Whtie Democratic vote is now more important because Hillary wants it that way. n/t |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:15 PM |
#46 |
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No, the argument is GE electability since GE demographics are different than primary demographics |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:06 PM |
#151 |
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GREAT point! |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:26 PM |
#60 |
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Very true, and I am sick of it. And I'm white, if that matters. |
democrattotheend |
Apr-25-08 04:43 PM |
#82 |
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That is an example of what I am talking about. Here is the MS result with GE demographics |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:11 PM |
#154 |
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Not to mention the fact that it will be miracle if Obama wins 60% of the Latino vote. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:23 PM |
# |
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Since when did you support Hillary? |
AX10 |
Apr-25-08 03:57 PM |
#5 |
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Exactly what I was thinking... |
Kittycat |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#10 |
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The night of the PA primary |
democrattotheend |
Apr-25-08 03:59 PM |
#13 |
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I've had questions about Obama's electability for a month now. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:11 PM |
#36 |
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"blown out"? he took 11 pts away from HRC's previous 20-pt lead |
ima_sinnic |
Apr-25-08 05:13 PM |
#109 |
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So in your opinion Democrats are racists? |
bowens43 |
Apr-25-08 03:57 PM |
#6 |
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When did I ever say that? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:11 PM |
#38 |
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yea them dammed nigras is unlektabelll *chew spit* |
dionysus |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#7 |
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Oh no! White people won't vote for a black guy! |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#8 |
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Chris Dodd is black? He got 0% of the white vote. Obama just has limited appeal beyond his ethnicity |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:13 PM |
#156 |
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another lying piece of racist shit from the king of that genre |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:16 PM |
#159 |
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Where's the appeal? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:20 PM |
#165 |
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Saying Obama loses whites due to racism is like saying Richardson lost due to racism |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:53 PM |
#200 |
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What? His position on the issues is almost the same as Hillary's |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:14 PM |
#227 |
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Fatal flaw in logic |
nichomachus |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#9 |
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You can't argue that with HillFans. |
Kittycat |
Apr-25-08 04:01 PM |
#15 |
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Agreed, it's a flawed interpretation of the data |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#35 |
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Of course he would win most but the $270 question is how many? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:15 PM |
#158 |
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If you are registered as a Democrat, you are a Democrat. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:13 PM |
#43 |
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Furthermore, I think a lot of them will vote McCain in November if Hillary gets the nom. nt |
thecatburgler |
Apr-25-08 05:23 PM |
#117 |
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and those are the people who get to vote in november |
northzax |
Apr-25-08 08:28 PM |
#226 |
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I'm sure they'll all vote McCain right? |
haymakeragain |
Apr-25-08 03:59 PM |
#11 |
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You're right. those people will vote for more war, less health care & GOP econ policies :rolleyes: |
uponit7771 |
Apr-25-08 03:59 PM |
#12 |
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In 2000 and in 2004 why not 2008? |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:34 PM |
#71 |
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It's less abysmal than Clinton's performance among African American Democrats |
orangepeel68 |
Apr-25-08 04:00 PM |
#14 |
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HuffPo: Irreparable Breach Between Clinton And Blacks Is Foreseeable |
Kittycat |
Apr-25-08 04:06 PM |
#23 |
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Don't forget young people. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Apr-25-08 06:22 PM |
#136 |
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That recent Politico post summed the issue up, rather well. |
krkaufman |
Apr-26-08 12:59 PM |
#273 |
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I'm hoping that all the disgusted repukes will vote Obama. |
crim son |
Apr-25-08 04:01 PM |
#16 |
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Try The Mirror Of This Argument, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:02 PM |
#17 |
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bravo - well done |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 04:06 PM |
#22 |
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Blacks have voted for Democrats for 30 years. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:16 PM |
#47 |
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And Whites Who Identify As Democrats Tend, Too, To Vote For Democrats, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:27 PM |
#62 |
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Tell that to John Kerry. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:30 PM |
# |
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So You Are Saying, Sir, that White Democrats Will Not Vote For A White Candidate Either? |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:38 PM |
#76 |
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No, what I am saying is that there is a certain type of candidate will appeal to these voters. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:42 PM |
#80 |
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This Can Be Played From A Number Of Angles, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:49 PM |
#89 |
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Hillary does about equal among White Democratic males as Obama. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:57 PM |
#99 |
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But We Have Got Beyond That Already, Sir, In This Little Exercise |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 05:08 PM |
#107 |
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What is happening now is apples and oranges to the 2004 primary. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:13 PM |
#108 |
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Primary Elections And General Elections Are Apples And Oranges, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 05:23 PM |
#116 |
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Amen |
beat tk |
Apr-25-08 05:31 PM |
#123 |
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I'm sorry, but Obama does extremely well against Clinton among men.... |
beat tk |
Apr-25-08 05:22 PM |
#114 |
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There will be but she more than offsets that by getting more female support than Obama |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:18 PM |
#163 |
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More female support, more Latino support, more core Democratic support. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:25 PM |
#169 |
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The only shot Obama has is indies and they will peel away as he gets vetted, attacked as "too libera |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#205 |
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McCain likely win more indies as Obama gets vetted. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:59 PM |
#210 |
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That is the common sense strategy |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 08:05 PM |
#218 |
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Solid Democrats - i.e. people that vote on Democratic issues and |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:23 PM |
#229 |
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Good chance of that |
JoFerret |
Apr-26-08 03:10 PM |
#275 |
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Obama is a much weaker candidate than Clinton for GE |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:17 PM |
#162 |
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The undemocratic caucus system has given Obama his delegate margins. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:30 PM |
#180 |
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This may be the wrong year to take black voters for granted, assuming that they have nowhere else to |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:30 PM |
#65 |
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Which is an interesting proposition: is not nominating Obama an affront to the other 40 million AA's |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:22 PM |
#167 |
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They may sit this one out ... Hillary has turned into the WHITE candidate |
LSparkle |
Apr-25-08 04:42 PM |
#79 |
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Clinton wins outside of her ethnic group. She wins Latinos 2:1 and Asians by almost as much |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:23 PM |
#168 |
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Yet loses the historically most loyal Dem constituency by HUGE margins? |
LSparkle |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#176 |
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She will not lose the most loyal Dem constituency by a huge margin in the GE. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:35 PM |
#190 |
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You (like your candidate) are taking a LOT of people for granted ... |
LSparkle |
Apr-25-08 07:49 PM |
#194 |
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So did Dukakis in the 88' primaries (10-90). What happened when Dukakis had a white GE opponent? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:54 PM |
#201 |
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They are loyal and this is their reward? |
jefferson_dem |
Apr-25-08 05:24 PM |
# |
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Latinos are too. So Richardson should be named VP or else it is giving the finger to 15% of the USA? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:57 PM |
#208 |
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I love you . . . |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:27 PM |
#61 |
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so none of the white folks who voted for Hillary will vote for Obama. |
bunnies |
Apr-25-08 04:02 PM |
#18 |
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That's really what this thread amounts to - the claim that most white Democrats are racist |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:33 PM |
#230 |
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Here you go |
Indenturedebtor |
Apr-25-08 04:02 PM |
#19 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-25-08 04:03 PM |
#20 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#31 |
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Those are your own words, not mine. I never said such a thing. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:17 PM |
#48 |
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You are ignoring the concept of Clinton loyalty |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:05 PM |
#21 |
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For now. But as a trend, the more voters get to know Hillary, the more they move... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:12 PM |
#39 |
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If Obama were white, he wouldn't be getting 90% of the black vote. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:18 PM |
#50 |
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You know this how? |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:30 PM |
#66 |
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Because Hillary and the Clintons used to have tons of black support. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:32 PM |
#69 |
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That's a pretty bizarre leap of logic |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:59 PM |
#101 |
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I think you made my point. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:02 PM |
#104 |
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If you think I made your point, you're even more confused |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 05:24 PM |
#118 |
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The data doesn't support your conclusions |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:35 PM |
#73 |
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That isn't the assumption |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:27 PM |
#172 |
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Perhaps Obama should don a sheet and wave the 'Fedrut flag to appeal to them. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-25-08 04:07 PM |
#24 |
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You're in the wrong party if you use racism |
DJ13 |
Apr-25-08 04:07 PM |
#26 |
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Who is using racism? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:19 PM |
#52 |
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You. |
chascarrillo |
Apr-25-08 04:21 PM |
#55 |
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What is your argument other than "because Obama is black, some white |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:39 PM |
#231 |
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my guess - you're from South Jersey, maybe Salem or Cumberland Co |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#32 |
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I'm in Ocean County and I'm extremely liberal. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:37 PM |
#75 |
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Ocean County - I wasn't that far off |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 04:48 PM |
#86 |
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I am from a conservative county. I'm liberal. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:52 PM |
#92 |
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When's the last time Ocean County elected a Democrat? |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 05:01 PM |
# |
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Gore lost Ocean County by one point. Clinton won it by 6 in 1996. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:15 PM |
#110 |
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That's exactly what I just said |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 05:19 PM |
#112 |
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Let's use some common sense. Obama does better than Clinton in Iowa |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#178 |
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The facts show Obama may lose NJ |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:27 PM |
#173 |
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Stopped reading here: |
wileedog |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#34 |
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Hillary is abysmal with blacks and young people and weaker with increasing education |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:11 PM |
#37 |
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Young people and affluents do not make a Democratic coalition. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:20 PM |
#53 |
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College educated, those under 30 and blacks may decide to stay home... |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:31 PM |
#67 |
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oh, now YOU have the gall to speak for what AA voters will |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:22 PM |
#166 |
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You couldn't be more wrong. |
Ashy Larry |
Apr-25-08 04:13 PM |
#42 |
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Fear of racists=capitulation. Fvck that. |
lojasmo |
Apr-25-08 04:14 PM |
#45 |
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Richardson lost. Is that because of racism or because of his limited appeal? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:29 PM |
#179 |
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This white democrat is gonna pull the lever for Obama. |
Vickers |
Apr-25-08 04:17 PM |
#49 |
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You are one out of millions. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:21 PM |
#54 |
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Obama is having trouble pulling women away from Hillary |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:28 PM |
#63 |
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Amazing how you can outspend...when you have the money. |
Vickers |
Apr-25-08 04:34 PM |
#72 |
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Stats on Independents and Conservatives who "will vote for McCain in the General" please? |
Triana |
Apr-25-08 04:18 PM |
#51 |
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McCain courts independents just as well as Obama. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:22 PM |
#57 |
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Since no Democrat can win without the support of black voters, why don't you worry about HRC's even |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:22 PM |
#56 |
| -
... |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:24 PM |
#58 |
| -
How many latte liberals are there in Iowa? |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 04:38 PM |
#77 |
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One state out of 43? Congratulations on cherrypicking. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:43 PM |
#81 |
| -
Who really is cherry picking here? |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 04:47 PM |
#85 |
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Ohio and Pennsylvania are not conservative states. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:49 PM |
#88 |
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OH and PA are conservative states with corrupt elections systems |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 04:51 PM |
#91 |
| -
Bill won both states in 1992 and 1996. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:53 PM |
#94 |
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Rasmussen has him up over McCain in PA. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 08:14 PM |
#224 |
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PA has voted Dem 4 times in a row, has a Dem governor, and one Dem senator |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:33 PM |
#187 |
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Did you even BOTHER to see what Ohio did in 2006? |
mtnester |
Apr-26-08 05:36 AM |
#259 |
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lol YOU cherry pick. ND, ME, CO, KS, VT, MN, WA |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:25 PM |
#170 |
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Minnesota, Maine Colorado and Washington were caucuses. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:55 PM |
#203 |
| -
How many caucuses are there in the general election? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:32 PM |
#184 |
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Obamites think that 2% turnout in a caucus means that Obama will carry the state. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#207 |
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The opposite is the case. Obama has tanked with whites since he began being vetted |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:31 PM |
#182 |
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Well he did great among Black voters. What's your point? |
David__77 |
Apr-25-08 04:29 PM |
#64 |
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Whites consist of 77% of the electorate, blacks consist of 11% of the electorate. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:31 PM |
#68 |
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How about under 30, college educated or black? |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:33 PM |
#70 |
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Obama's coalition consists of about 30% of the electorate. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:36 PM |
#74 |
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No Democratic has won a majority of whites since 1964. |
David__77 |
Apr-25-08 04:41 PM |
#78 |
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His strategic view is also based on Hillary getting working class whites that aren't Democrats |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:44 PM |
#83 |
| -
How? Latinos will likely split 50-50 with McCain as Obama as the nominee. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:45 PM |
#84 |
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McCain will be easy to politically decimate. |
David__77 |
Apr-25-08 05:18 PM |
#111 |
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They can't defend the simple fact his coalition is too small to win the GE |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:35 PM |
#189 |
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No, he didn't. He's just a flawed candidate. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:51 PM |
#195 |
| -
Look at this |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:58 PM |
#209 |
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I need to donate soon. I should create the same type of poll about Obama if he loses in the GE. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 08:03 PM |
#215 |
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He won't lose the GE. He loses the white vote in Dem primaries due to racism |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 08:09 PM |
#220 |
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Of course but you also need at least 43%. Kerry won 41% and he lost the GE by 3 |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:34 PM |
#188 |
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blacks are 11%, but what percentage of the white vote will decide |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:46 PM |
#233 |
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And that 11% is enough to make or break a Democrat - that's what is scaring some of you to death |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 10:12 PM |
#241 |
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To those that are surprised: |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:49 PM |
#87 |
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Well duh. White folks won't in general vote for a black guy unless there's no other choice... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-08 04:52 PM |
#93 |
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The Florida numbers are staggering, guess we write that one off. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:53 PM |
#95 |
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With Obama, we write off both Ohio and Florida. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:59 PM |
#100 |
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Who needs 'em |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 05:00 PM |
#102 |
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They're too conservative!! |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:01 PM |
#103 |
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thats right, we got a good shot at those |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 05:03 PM |
#105 |
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All I'll say is this... |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:22 PM |
#113 |
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THANK you! |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 10:14 PM |
#243 |
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Hey jackson, how come you never addressed the bigger problem Hillary has with non-white voters? |
jefferson_dem |
Apr-25-08 05:22 PM |
#115 |
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Hillary does not have a problem with Latino voters. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:29 PM |
#120 |
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Bill swiftboated himself by trying to demean Obama's win there... |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:32 PM |
#124 |
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I hope Hillary picks up the "I'm a victim of racial swiftboating" meme. |
jefferson_dem |
Apr-25-08 05:39 PM |
#128 |
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So you think black people are so stupid that Obama can fool them into turning on the Clintons? |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 10:17 PM |
#244 |
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Blacks will vote for McCain if Clinton is the nom? |
anonymous171 |
Apr-25-08 05:27 PM |
#119 |
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No, they'll stay home. |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:31 PM |
#122 |
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you don't know |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 05:36 PM |
#127 |
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WTF? |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:41 PM |
#129 |
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I agree completely that we should throw Obama under the bus |
cliffordu |
Apr-25-08 05:33 PM |
#125 |
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is that what he said? |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 05:46 PM |
#131 |
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The Obamites haven't been able to dismiss any of my points. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:50 PM |
#132 |
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it's not logical |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 05:58 PM |
#133 |
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Well......This poster uses this kind of thing as a reason to take |
cliffordu |
Apr-25-08 06:25 PM |
# |
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motives |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 06:56 PM |
#146 |
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THESE STATS DO NOT REFLECT WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER MCCAIN |
cliffordu |
Apr-25-08 06:59 PM |
#148 |
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partially true |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#204 |
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To take you seriously I would have to think you weren't for trying |
mmonk |
Apr-25-08 05:35 PM |
#126 |
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It was all those Black voters in Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho.... |
bvar22 |
Apr-25-08 05:42 PM |
#130 |
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Wyoming and Idaho were low turnout caucuses. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 06:12 PM |
#134 |
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Read the OP. Jesse Jackson won Alaska and Vermont. How'd he do nationally with whites? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:37 PM |
#191 |
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Are you a lawyer? |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 06:20 PM |
#135 |
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No, I am not. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 06:25 PM |
#138 |
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Well, so do I |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 06:32 PM |
#142 |
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I sincerely hope that the rest of New Jersey is not as bigoted as you appear to be! |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 06:23 PM |
#137 |
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He lives in Ocean County - NJ's Wingnut Central |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 06:30 PM |
#141 |
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We're not. |
Kool Kitty |
Apr-26-08 02:25 AM |
#255 |
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If anything is abysmal, it's the white racist democrats you mention. |
notmypresident |
Apr-25-08 06:27 PM |
#139 |
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The only thing that is abysmal is your labeling of any white Democrats who vote for Hillary |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 06:30 PM |
#140 |
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A good portion of them have mnade it clear they will not vote for him |
notmypresident |
Apr-25-08 06:42 PM |
#143 |
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If there are racists in the democratic party - then they are not |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 07:08 PM |
#152 |
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Dream on baby, hell they are even here on DU. Just open your eyes. |
notmypresident |
Apr-25-08 07:33 PM |
#185 |
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Yes, there may be some on DU - but again, they are not democrats. |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#206 |
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you are the one calling them racist by insinuating that they will only vote for the White Person |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 06:46 PM |
#144 |
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DING DING DING! We have a winner! nt |
anonymous171 |
Apr-25-08 07:18 PM |
#164 |
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That makes no sense. They wouldn't vote for Dodd or Biden either |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:37 PM |
#192 |
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Nobody accepts that Bullshit except desperate Hillarites |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#198 |
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What is your answer to why Richardson lost? Racism or limited appeal? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:59 PM |
#211 |
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what is your answer to why Richardson supports Obama? |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 09:54 PM |
#235 |
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Lack of money and poor speaking ability doomed Richardson. |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 10:11 PM |
#240 |
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And Obama is the perfect candidate who only racists would oppose? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 10:51 PM |
#246 |
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Nope, but if they voted for Hillary on the issues they will vote for Obama. |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 11:13 PM |
#248 |
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False. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 11:15 PM |
#249 |
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LOL - based on what? Your desire for Hillary to win? What? |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 11:35 PM |
#251 |
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No, the argument--and it is legit--is that Obama will not win enough of these voters |
jackson_dem |
Apr-26-08 02:11 AM |
#254 |
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You are using primary numbers to arbitrarily come up with your |
ecdab |
Apr-26-08 06:12 AM |
#265 |
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24% of Democrats voted against Mondale |
jackson_dem |
Apr-26-08 02:08 AM |
#253 |
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You guys even eat your own when they |
hell-bent |
Apr-25-08 08:11 PM |
#222 |
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enjoy this board while you can, soon this 'cult' will be all that's left |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 09:57 PM |
#236 |
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Listen Jack O--, you and your Obama friends can then stroke |
hell-bent |
Apr-26-08 04:21 PM |
#276 |
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Race bait thread? eom |
smiley_glad_hands |
Apr-25-08 06:50 PM |
#145 |
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whispers and code words are paying off |
leaningprog |
Apr-25-08 06:56 PM |
#147 |
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I am so white...people think I'm a pillow....ok I might be a little |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 06:59 PM |
#149 |
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Oh man, this post calls for a group hug |
beat tk |
Apr-25-08 07:14 PM |
#157 |
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Thank you - I love group hugs |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 08:01 PM |
#214 |
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the OP is doing nothing but misrepresenting and cherry picking |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:30 PM |
#181 |
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Hey Vermont! I agree - this has turned into a horribly racist |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 08:00 PM |
#213 |
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Add me to the " woman pillow muffin top pushing 40 for Obama" list. |
libnnc |
Apr-25-08 10:08 PM |
#238 |
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LOL......hello sister pillow! |
whutgives |
Apr-26-08 05:39 AM |
#260 |
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RE: I'M WITH YA GIRL |
cjsmom44 |
Apr-26-08 06:00 AM |
#263 |
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Welcome cjsmom44/Obama-Mama! |
whutgives |
Apr-26-08 11:14 AM |
#267 |
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Is this is latest Hillary flier to Indiana and supers??? |
Bensthename |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#177 |
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I am sorry |
quakerboy |
Apr-25-08 07:41 PM |
#193 |
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hear hear |
knixphan |
Apr-25-08 07:54 PM |
#202 |
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GOOD LORD, Secularist! |
XLIXLI |
Apr-25-08 08:00 PM |
#212 |
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Excellent analysis, NJ Secularist! |
hell-bent |
Apr-25-08 08:04 PM |
#216 |
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No, it isn't. It's hogwash! |
ProSense |
Apr-25-08 09:22 PM |
#228 |
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Are you calling the good people of PA and OH racist? |
anonymous171 |
Apr-25-08 08:05 PM |
#219 |
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It's ok, they'll stuff it in the end and vote for Barack in the GE |
nemo137 |
Apr-25-08 09:44 PM |
#232 |
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Another HillFAN who needs poli-sci 101. So here goes: |
RBInMaine |
Apr-25-08 09:52 PM |
#234 |
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Simple math for math challenged. |
brindis_desala |
Apr-25-08 10:02 PM |
#237 |
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Thank you. ITS THE INDEPENDENTS, STUPID! |
wileedog |
Apr-25-08 10:09 PM |
#239 |
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Here is a poll. His indie appeal is declining as he gets more known |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 10:49 PM |
#245 |
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NJSecularist, I liked you, but obviously you went over the deep end. |
Drunken Irishman |
Apr-25-08 11:11 PM |
#247 |
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Second, such a good person went to the dark side. oh well. |
angie_love |
Apr-25-08 11:18 PM |
#250 |
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You are officially on ignore - |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-25-08 11:35 PM |
#252 |
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We have seen this race card argument for Obama a lot since he lost on Tuedsay |
jackson_dem |
Apr-26-08 02:26 AM |
#256 |
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All I know is.... |
whistler162 |
Apr-26-08 02:32 AM |
#257 |
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It says... |
graycem |
Apr-26-08 04:03 AM |
#258 |
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No it's among white women who are the largest chunk of the dems, he has more votes in the repub vote |
barack the house |
Apr-26-08 05:43 AM |
#261 |
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RE: WHITE WOMEN |
cjsmom44 |
Apr-26-08 06:02 AM |
#264 |
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who fucking cares.... I am getting very tired of the race game.... |
truthpusher |
Apr-26-08 11:32 AM |
#269 |
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Double standard |
hokies4ever |
Apr-26-08 11:35 AM |
#270 |
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Elected. Pledged. Delegate. Majority. |
krkaufman |
Apr-26-08 12:50 PM |
#272 |
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kick |
DemVet |
Apr-26-08 07:14 PM |
#277 |
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You are pointing out that a Black man can't win and that is disgraceful |
bambino |
Apr-26-08 07:20 PM |
#278 |
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