| -Obama's absymal performance among White Democrats. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 03:54 PM |
#0 |
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I will never understand the logic of equating the primaries to the general election... |
GarbagemanLB |
Apr-25-08 03:56 PM |
#1 |
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It's not logic: it's spin |
Hardhead |
Apr-25-08 04:07 PM |
#25 |
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seconded. |
knixphan |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#196 |
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in a caucus |
northzax |
Apr-25-08 08:09 PM |
#221 |
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Caucus vs. primary is beside the point |
Hardhead |
Apr-26-08 11:45 AM |
#271 |
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Not logic. It's CalvinBall. n/t |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:08 PM |
#27 |
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It's like the Yankees bragging about losing 10-2 in a baseball game instead of 10-0 |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:08 PM |
#28 |
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Please answer the question. Why will the majority of Hillary's base vote for McCain over Obama? |
GarbagemanLB |
Apr-25-08 04:09 PM |
#30 |
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Is her support coming from Reagan democrats and values voters? |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:12 PM |
#40 |
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I never said the majority. I said enough to swing the election. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:12 PM |
#41 |
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Bingo!@ nt |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:56 PM |
#96 |
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Eureka! I think he's got it. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:57 PM |
#97 |
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Holy cow! that makes sense. |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:57 PM |
#98 |
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. |
Abacus |
Apr-25-08 10:13 PM |
#242 |
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EXACTLY! |
zlt234 |
Apr-26-08 11:17 AM |
#268 |
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No - it's like a football team pretending they got a first down when they're a yard short . . . |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:25 PM |
#59 |
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Whoever your candidate |
shadowknows69 |
Apr-25-08 05:04 PM |
#106 |
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You forgot such states as Vermont |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:10 PM |
#153 |
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Maine and Vermont are reliably Democratic states. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:16 PM |
#160 |
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she won't get the chance. she's done. |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:32 PM |
#183 |
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Whatever you say. You continue to not address my points and instead engage in cognitive dissonance. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:33 PM |
#186 |
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Pointing out the obvious |
JoFerret |
Apr-26-08 02:16 PM |
#274 |
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RE: BEG TO DIFFER |
cjsmom44 |
Apr-26-08 05:54 AM |
#262 |
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New Map |
gbrenna |
Apr-25-08 07:17 PM |
#161 |
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Where is Obama going to win 270 electorate votes without Florida and Ohio? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:26 PM |
#171 |
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New Map |
gbrenna |
Apr-25-08 08:04 PM |
#217 |
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Your post is fine, and welcome to DU. |
Straight Shooter |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#175 |
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Thanks! |
gbrenna |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#199 |
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Especially when you translate the results to the electoral college |
JoFerret |
Apr-26-08 06:53 AM |
#266 |
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You want us to keep it civil after that subject line? |
sparosnare |
Apr-25-08 03:56 PM |
#2 |
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It's the truth. Obama has done terribly among white Democrats. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:09 PM |
#29 |
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Absolutely not true. Hillary is more successful with whites of certain... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:14 PM |
#44 |
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Huh? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:51 PM |
#90 |
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Your inaccurate insult of young voters is disgusting... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 05:29 PM |
# |
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Duplicate deleted. |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 05:29 PM |
#121 |
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The numbers speak for themselves. When you lost white Dems 70-28 that cuts across age |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:02 PM |
#150 |
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old? You mean over thirty-five? |
northzax |
Apr-25-08 08:13 PM |
#223 |
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no it's not "the truth". it's your opinion |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:12 PM |
#155 |
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No, it's a fact. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:27 PM |
#174 |
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And you conveniently ignore almost all the states he's won |
gmudem |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#197 |
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All of them caucuses states. What's your point? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 08:19 PM |
#225 |
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I'll be back. |
CreekDog |
Apr-25-08 03:56 PM |
#3 |
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Maybe we should make the primaries whites only the way we used to |
democrattotheend |
Apr-25-08 03:57 PM |
#4 |
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Because we are picking a Democratic nominee. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#33 |
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Whtie Democratic vote is now more important because Hillary wants it that way. n/t |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:15 PM |
#46 |
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No, the argument is GE electability since GE demographics are different than primary demographics |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:06 PM |
#151 |
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GREAT point! |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:26 PM |
#60 |
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Very true, and I am sick of it. And I'm white, if that matters. |
democrattotheend |
Apr-25-08 04:43 PM |
#82 |
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That is an example of what I am talking about. Here is the MS result with GE demographics |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:11 PM |
#154 |
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Not to mention the fact that it will be miracle if Obama wins 60% of the Latino vote. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:23 PM |
# |
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Since when did you support Hillary? |
AX10 |
Apr-25-08 03:57 PM |
#5 |
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Exactly what I was thinking... |
Kittycat |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#10 |
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The night of the PA primary |
democrattotheend |
Apr-25-08 03:59 PM |
#13 |
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I've had questions about Obama's electability for a month now. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:11 PM |
#36 |
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"blown out"? he took 11 pts away from HRC's previous 20-pt lead |
ima_sinnic |
Apr-25-08 05:13 PM |
#109 |
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So in your opinion Democrats are racists? |
bowens43 |
Apr-25-08 03:57 PM |
#6 |
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When did I ever say that? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:11 PM |
#38 |
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yea them dammed nigras is unlektabelll *chew spit* |
dionysus |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#7 |
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Oh no! White people won't vote for a black guy! |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#8 |
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Chris Dodd is black? He got 0% of the white vote. Obama just has limited appeal beyond his ethnicity |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:13 PM |
#156 |
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another lying piece of racist shit from the king of that genre |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:16 PM |
#159 |
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Where's the appeal? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:20 PM |
#165 |
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Saying Obama loses whites due to racism is like saying Richardson lost due to racism |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:53 PM |
#200 |
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What? His position on the issues is almost the same as Hillary's |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:14 PM |
#227 |
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Fatal flaw in logic |
nichomachus |
Apr-25-08 03:58 PM |
#9 |
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You can't argue that with HillFans. |
Kittycat |
Apr-25-08 04:01 PM |
#15 |
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Agreed, it's a flawed interpretation of the data |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#35 |
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Of course he would win most but the $270 question is how many? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:15 PM |
#158 |
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If you are registered as a Democrat, you are a Democrat. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:13 PM |
#43 |
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Furthermore, I think a lot of them will vote McCain in November if Hillary gets the nom. nt |
thecatburgler |
Apr-25-08 05:23 PM |
#117 |
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and those are the people who get to vote in november |
northzax |
Apr-25-08 08:28 PM |
#226 |
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I'm sure they'll all vote McCain right? |
haymakeragain |
Apr-25-08 03:59 PM |
#11 |
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You're right. those people will vote for more war, less health care & GOP econ policies :rolleyes: |
uponit7771 |
Apr-25-08 03:59 PM |
#12 |
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In 2000 and in 2004 why not 2008? |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:34 PM |
#71 |
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It's less abysmal than Clinton's performance among African American Democrats |
orangepeel68 |
Apr-25-08 04:00 PM |
#14 |
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HuffPo: Irreparable Breach Between Clinton And Blacks Is Foreseeable |
Kittycat |
Apr-25-08 04:06 PM |
#23 |
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Don't forget young people. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Apr-25-08 06:22 PM |
#136 |
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That recent Politico post summed the issue up, rather well. |
krkaufman |
Apr-26-08 12:59 PM |
#273 |
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I'm hoping that all the disgusted repukes will vote Obama. |
crim son |
Apr-25-08 04:01 PM |
#16 |
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Try The Mirror Of This Argument, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:02 PM |
#17 |
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bravo - well done |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 04:06 PM |
#22 |
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Blacks have voted for Democrats for 30 years. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:16 PM |
#47 |
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And Whites Who Identify As Democrats Tend, Too, To Vote For Democrats, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:27 PM |
#62 |
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Tell that to John Kerry. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:30 PM |
# |
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So You Are Saying, Sir, that White Democrats Will Not Vote For A White Candidate Either? |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:38 PM |
#76 |
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No, what I am saying is that there is a certain type of candidate will appeal to these voters. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:42 PM |
#80 |
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This Can Be Played From A Number Of Angles, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 04:49 PM |
#89 |
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Hillary does about equal among White Democratic males as Obama. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:57 PM |
#99 |
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But We Have Got Beyond That Already, Sir, In This Little Exercise |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 05:08 PM |
#107 |
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What is happening now is apples and oranges to the 2004 primary. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:13 PM |
#108 |
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Primary Elections And General Elections Are Apples And Oranges, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-25-08 05:23 PM |
#116 |
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Amen |
beat tk |
Apr-25-08 05:31 PM |
#123 |
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I'm sorry, but Obama does extremely well against Clinton among men.... |
beat tk |
Apr-25-08 05:22 PM |
#114 |
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There will be but she more than offsets that by getting more female support than Obama |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:18 PM |
#163 |
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More female support, more Latino support, more core Democratic support. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:25 PM |
#169 |
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The only shot Obama has is indies and they will peel away as he gets vetted, attacked as "too libera |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#205 |
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McCain likely win more indies as Obama gets vetted. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:59 PM |
#210 |
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That is the common sense strategy |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 08:05 PM |
#218 |
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Solid Democrats - i.e. people that vote on Democratic issues and |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:23 PM |
#229 |
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Good chance of that |
JoFerret |
Apr-26-08 03:10 PM |
#275 |
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Obama is a much weaker candidate than Clinton for GE |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:17 PM |
#162 |
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The undemocratic caucus system has given Obama his delegate margins. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:30 PM |
#180 |
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This may be the wrong year to take black voters for granted, assuming that they have nowhere else to |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:30 PM |
#65 |
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Which is an interesting proposition: is not nominating Obama an affront to the other 40 million AA's |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:22 PM |
#167 |
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They may sit this one out ... Hillary has turned into the WHITE candidate |
LSparkle |
Apr-25-08 04:42 PM |
#79 |
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Clinton wins outside of her ethnic group. She wins Latinos 2:1 and Asians by almost as much |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:23 PM |
#168 |
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Yet loses the historically most loyal Dem constituency by HUGE margins? |
LSparkle |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#176 |
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She will not lose the most loyal Dem constituency by a huge margin in the GE. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:35 PM |
#190 |
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You (like your candidate) are taking a LOT of people for granted ... |
LSparkle |
Apr-25-08 07:49 PM |
#194 |
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So did Dukakis in the 88' primaries (10-90). What happened when Dukakis had a white GE opponent? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:54 PM |
#201 |
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They are loyal and this is their reward? |
jefferson_dem |
Apr-25-08 05:24 PM |
# |
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Latinos are too. So Richardson should be named VP or else it is giving the finger to 15% of the USA? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:57 PM |
#208 |
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I love you . . . |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:27 PM |
#61 |
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so none of the white folks who voted for Hillary will vote for Obama. |
bunnies |
Apr-25-08 04:02 PM |
#18 |
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That's really what this thread amounts to - the claim that most white Democrats are racist |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:33 PM |
#230 |
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Here you go |
Indenturedebtor |
Apr-25-08 04:02 PM |
#19 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-25-08 04:03 PM |
#20 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#31 |
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Those are your own words, not mine. I never said such a thing. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:17 PM |
#48 |
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You are ignoring the concept of Clinton loyalty |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:05 PM |
#21 |
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For now. But as a trend, the more voters get to know Hillary, the more they move... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-25-08 04:12 PM |
#39 |
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If Obama were white, he wouldn't be getting 90% of the black vote. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:18 PM |
#50 |
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You know this how? |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:30 PM |
#66 |
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Because Hillary and the Clintons used to have tons of black support. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:32 PM |
#69 |
| -
That's a pretty bizarre leap of logic |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:59 PM |
#101 |
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I think you made my point. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:02 PM |
#104 |
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If you think I made your point, you're even more confused |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 05:24 PM |
#118 |
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The data doesn't support your conclusions |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:35 PM |
#73 |
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That isn't the assumption |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:27 PM |
#172 |
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Perhaps Obama should don a sheet and wave the 'Fedrut flag to appeal to them. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-25-08 04:07 PM |
#24 |
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You're in the wrong party if you use racism |
DJ13 |
Apr-25-08 04:07 PM |
#26 |
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Who is using racism? |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:19 PM |
#52 |
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You. |
chascarrillo |
Apr-25-08 04:21 PM |
#55 |
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What is your argument other than "because Obama is black, some white |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:39 PM |
#231 |
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my guess - you're from South Jersey, maybe Salem or Cumberland Co |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#32 |
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I'm in Ocean County and I'm extremely liberal. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:37 PM |
#75 |
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Ocean County - I wasn't that far off |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 04:48 PM |
#86 |
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I am from a conservative county. I'm liberal. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:52 PM |
#92 |
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When's the last time Ocean County elected a Democrat? |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 05:01 PM |
# |
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Gore lost Ocean County by one point. Clinton won it by 6 in 1996. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:15 PM |
#110 |
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That's exactly what I just said |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 05:19 PM |
#112 |
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Let's use some common sense. Obama does better than Clinton in Iowa |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#178 |
| -
The facts show Obama may lose NJ |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:27 PM |
#173 |
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Stopped reading here: |
wileedog |
Apr-25-08 04:10 PM |
#34 |
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Hillary is abysmal with blacks and young people and weaker with increasing education |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:11 PM |
#37 |
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Young people and affluents do not make a Democratic coalition. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:20 PM |
#53 |
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College educated, those under 30 and blacks may decide to stay home... |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:31 PM |
#67 |
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oh, now YOU have the gall to speak for what AA voters will |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:22 PM |
#166 |
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You couldn't be more wrong. |
Ashy Larry |
Apr-25-08 04:13 PM |
#42 |
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Fear of racists=capitulation. Fvck that. |
lojasmo |
Apr-25-08 04:14 PM |
#45 |
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Richardson lost. Is that because of racism or because of his limited appeal? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:29 PM |
#179 |
| -
This white democrat is gonna pull the lever for Obama. |
Vickers |
Apr-25-08 04:17 PM |
#49 |
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You are one out of millions. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:21 PM |
#54 |
| -
Obama is having trouble pulling women away from Hillary |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:28 PM |
#63 |
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Amazing how you can outspend...when you have the money. |
Vickers |
Apr-25-08 04:34 PM |
#72 |
| -
Stats on Independents and Conservatives who "will vote for McCain in the General" please? |
Triana |
Apr-25-08 04:18 PM |
#51 |
| -
McCain courts independents just as well as Obama. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:22 PM |
#57 |
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Since no Democrat can win without the support of black voters, why don't you worry about HRC's even |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 04:22 PM |
#56 |
| -
... |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:24 PM |
#58 |
| -
How many latte liberals are there in Iowa? |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 04:38 PM |
#77 |
| -
One state out of 43? Congratulations on cherrypicking. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:43 PM |
#81 |
| -
Who really is cherry picking here? |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 04:47 PM |
#85 |
| -
Ohio and Pennsylvania are not conservative states. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:49 PM |
#88 |
| -
OH and PA are conservative states with corrupt elections systems |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 04:51 PM |
#91 |
| -
Bill won both states in 1992 and 1996. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:53 PM |
#94 |
| -
Rasmussen has him up over McCain in PA. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-25-08 08:14 PM |
#224 |
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PA has voted Dem 4 times in a row, has a Dem governor, and one Dem senator |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:33 PM |
#187 |
| -
Did you even BOTHER to see what Ohio did in 2006? |
mtnester |
Apr-26-08 05:36 AM |
#259 |
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lol YOU cherry pick. ND, ME, CO, KS, VT, MN, WA |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:25 PM |
#170 |
| -
Minnesota, Maine Colorado and Washington were caucuses. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:55 PM |
#203 |
| -
How many caucuses are there in the general election? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:32 PM |
#184 |
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Obamites think that 2% turnout in a caucus means that Obama will carry the state. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#207 |
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The opposite is the case. Obama has tanked with whites since he began being vetted |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:31 PM |
#182 |
| -
Well he did great among Black voters. What's your point? |
David__77 |
Apr-25-08 04:29 PM |
#64 |
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Whites consist of 77% of the electorate, blacks consist of 11% of the electorate. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:31 PM |
#68 |
| -
How about under 30, college educated or black? |
dmordue |
Apr-25-08 04:33 PM |
#70 |
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Obama's coalition consists of about 30% of the electorate. n/t |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:36 PM |
#74 |
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No Democratic has won a majority of whites since 1964. |
David__77 |
Apr-25-08 04:41 PM |
#78 |
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His strategic view is also based on Hillary getting working class whites that aren't Democrats |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-25-08 04:44 PM |
#83 |
| -
How? Latinos will likely split 50-50 with McCain as Obama as the nominee. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:45 PM |
#84 |
| -
McCain will be easy to politically decimate. |
David__77 |
Apr-25-08 05:18 PM |
#111 |
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They can't defend the simple fact his coalition is too small to win the GE |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:35 PM |
#189 |
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No, he didn't. He's just a flawed candidate. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 07:51 PM |
#195 |
| -
Look at this |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:58 PM |
#209 |
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I need to donate soon. I should create the same type of poll about Obama if he loses in the GE. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 08:03 PM |
#215 |
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He won't lose the GE. He loses the white vote in Dem primaries due to racism |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 08:09 PM |
#220 |
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Of course but you also need at least 43%. Kerry won 41% and he lost the GE by 3 |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:34 PM |
#188 |
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blacks are 11%, but what percentage of the white vote will decide |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 09:46 PM |
#233 |
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And that 11% is enough to make or break a Democrat - that's what is scaring some of you to death |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 10:12 PM |
#241 |
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To those that are surprised: |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:49 PM |
#87 |
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Well duh. White folks won't in general vote for a black guy unless there's no other choice... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-08 04:52 PM |
#93 |
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The Florida numbers are staggering, guess we write that one off. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 04:53 PM |
#95 |
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With Obama, we write off both Ohio and Florida. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 04:59 PM |
#100 |
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Who needs 'em |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 05:00 PM |
#102 |
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They're too conservative!! |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:01 PM |
#103 |
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thats right, we got a good shot at those |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-25-08 05:03 PM |
#105 |
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All I'll say is this... |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:22 PM |
#113 |
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THANK you! |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 10:14 PM |
#243 |
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Hey jackson, how come you never addressed the bigger problem Hillary has with non-white voters? |
jefferson_dem |
Apr-25-08 05:22 PM |
#115 |
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Hillary does not have a problem with Latino voters. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:29 PM |
#120 |
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Bill swiftboated himself by trying to demean Obama's win there... |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:32 PM |
#124 |
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I hope Hillary picks up the "I'm a victim of racial swiftboating" meme. |
jefferson_dem |
Apr-25-08 05:39 PM |
#128 |
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So you think black people are so stupid that Obama can fool them into turning on the Clintons? |
EffieBlack |
Apr-25-08 10:17 PM |
#244 |
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Blacks will vote for McCain if Clinton is the nom? |
anonymous171 |
Apr-25-08 05:27 PM |
#119 |
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No, they'll stay home. |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:31 PM |
#122 |
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you don't know |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 05:36 PM |
#127 |
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WTF? |
TTUBatfan2008 |
Apr-25-08 05:41 PM |
#129 |
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I agree completely that we should throw Obama under the bus |
cliffordu |
Apr-25-08 05:33 PM |
#125 |
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is that what he said? |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 05:46 PM |
#131 |
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The Obamites haven't been able to dismiss any of my points. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 05:50 PM |
#132 |
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it's not logical |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 05:58 PM |
#133 |
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Well......This poster uses this kind of thing as a reason to take |
cliffordu |
Apr-25-08 06:25 PM |
# |
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motives |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 06:56 PM |
#146 |
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THESE STATS DO NOT REFLECT WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER MCCAIN |
cliffordu |
Apr-25-08 06:59 PM |
#148 |
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partially true |
wrando |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#204 |
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To take you seriously I would have to think you weren't for trying |
mmonk |
Apr-25-08 05:35 PM |
#126 |
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It was all those Black voters in Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho.... |
bvar22 |
Apr-25-08 05:42 PM |
#130 |
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Wyoming and Idaho were low turnout caucuses. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 06:12 PM |
#134 |
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Read the OP. Jesse Jackson won Alaska and Vermont. How'd he do nationally with whites? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:37 PM |
#191 |
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Are you a lawyer? |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 06:20 PM |
#135 |
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No, I am not. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 06:25 PM |
#138 |
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Well, so do I |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 06:32 PM |
#142 |
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I sincerely hope that the rest of New Jersey is not as bigoted as you appear to be! |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 06:23 PM |
#137 |
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He lives in Ocean County - NJ's Wingnut Central |
Jersey Devil |
Apr-25-08 06:30 PM |
#141 |
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We're not. |
Kool Kitty |
Apr-26-08 02:25 AM |
#255 |
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If anything is abysmal, it's the white racist democrats you mention. |
notmypresident |
Apr-25-08 06:27 PM |
#139 |
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The only thing that is abysmal is your labeling of any white Democrats who vote for Hillary |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 06:30 PM |
#140 |
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A good portion of them have mnade it clear they will not vote for him |
notmypresident |
Apr-25-08 06:42 PM |
#143 |
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If there are racists in the democratic party - then they are not |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 07:08 PM |
#152 |
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Dream on baby, hell they are even here on DU. Just open your eyes. |
notmypresident |
Apr-25-08 07:33 PM |
#185 |
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Yes, there may be some on DU - but again, they are not democrats. |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 07:56 PM |
#206 |
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you are the one calling them racist by insinuating that they will only vote for the White Person |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 06:46 PM |
#144 |
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DING DING DING! We have a winner! nt |
anonymous171 |
Apr-25-08 07:18 PM |
#164 |
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That makes no sense. They wouldn't vote for Dodd or Biden either |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:37 PM |
#192 |
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Nobody accepts that Bullshit except desperate Hillarites |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 07:52 PM |
#198 |
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What is your answer to why Richardson lost? Racism or limited appeal? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 07:59 PM |
#211 |
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what is your answer to why Richardson supports Obama? |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 09:54 PM |
#235 |
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Lack of money and poor speaking ability doomed Richardson. |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 10:11 PM |
#240 |
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And Obama is the perfect candidate who only racists would oppose? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 10:51 PM |
#246 |
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Nope, but if they voted for Hillary on the issues they will vote for Obama. |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 11:13 PM |
#248 |
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False. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-25-08 11:15 PM |
#249 |
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LOL - based on what? Your desire for Hillary to win? What? |
ecdab |
Apr-25-08 11:35 PM |
#251 |
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No, the argument--and it is legit--is that Obama will not win enough of these voters |
jackson_dem |
Apr-26-08 02:11 AM |
#254 |
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You are using primary numbers to arbitrarily come up with your |
ecdab |
Apr-26-08 06:12 AM |
#265 |
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24% of Democrats voted against Mondale |
jackson_dem |
Apr-26-08 02:08 AM |
#253 |
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You guys even eat your own when they |
hell-bent |
Apr-25-08 08:11 PM |
#222 |
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enjoy this board while you can, soon this 'cult' will be all that's left |
JackORoses |
Apr-25-08 09:57 PM |
#236 |
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Listen Jack O--, you and your Obama friends can then stroke |
hell-bent |
Apr-26-08 04:21 PM |
#276 |
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Race bait thread? eom |
smiley_glad_hands |
Apr-25-08 06:50 PM |
#145 |
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whispers and code words are paying off |
leaningprog |
Apr-25-08 06:56 PM |
#147 |
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I am so white...people think I'm a pillow....ok I might be a little |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 06:59 PM |
#149 |
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Oh man, this post calls for a group hug |
beat tk |
Apr-25-08 07:14 PM |
#157 |
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Thank you - I love group hugs |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 08:01 PM |
#214 |
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the OP is doing nothing but misrepresenting and cherry picking |
cali |
Apr-25-08 07:30 PM |
#181 |
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Hey Vermont! I agree - this has turned into a horribly racist |
whutgives |
Apr-25-08 08:00 PM |
#213 |
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Add me to the " woman pillow muffin top pushing 40 for Obama" list. |
libnnc |
Apr-25-08 10:08 PM |
#238 |
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LOL......hello sister pillow! |
whutgives |
Apr-26-08 05:39 AM |
#260 |
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RE: I'M WITH YA GIRL |
cjsmom44 |
Apr-26-08 06:00 AM |
#263 |
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Welcome cjsmom44/Obama-Mama! |
whutgives |
Apr-26-08 11:14 AM |
#267 |
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Is this is latest Hillary flier to Indiana and supers??? |
Bensthename |
Apr-25-08 07:28 PM |
#177 |
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I am sorry |
quakerboy |
Apr-25-08 07:41 PM |
#193 |
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hear hear |
knixphan |
Apr-25-08 07:54 PM |
#202 |
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GOOD LORD, Secularist! |
XLIXLI |
Apr-25-08 08:00 PM |
#212 |
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Excellent analysis, NJ Secularist! |
hell-bent |
Apr-25-08 08:04 PM |
#216 |
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No, it isn't. It's hogwash! |
ProSense |
Apr-25-08 09:22 PM |
#228 |
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Are you calling the good people of PA and OH racist? |
anonymous171 |
Apr-25-08 08:05 PM |
#219 |
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It's ok, they'll stuff it in the end and vote for Barack in the GE |
nemo137 |
Apr-25-08 09:44 PM |
#232 |
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Another HillFAN who needs poli-sci 101. So here goes: |
RBInMaine |
Apr-25-08 09:52 PM |
#234 |
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Simple math for math challenged. |
brindis_desala |
Apr-25-08 10:02 PM |
#237 |
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Thank you. ITS THE INDEPENDENTS, STUPID! |
wileedog |
Apr-25-08 10:09 PM |
#239 |
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Here is a poll. His indie appeal is declining as he gets more known |
jackson_dem |
Apr-25-08 10:49 PM |
#245 |
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NJSecularist, I liked you, but obviously you went over the deep end. |
Drunken Irishman |
Apr-25-08 11:11 PM |
#247 |
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Second, such a good person went to the dark side. oh well. |
angie_love |
Apr-25-08 11:18 PM |
#250 |
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You are officially on ignore - |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-25-08 11:35 PM |
#252 |
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We have seen this race card argument for Obama a lot since he lost on Tuedsay |
jackson_dem |
Apr-26-08 02:26 AM |
#256 |
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All I know is.... |
whistler162 |
Apr-26-08 02:32 AM |
#257 |
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It says... |
graycem |
Apr-26-08 04:03 AM |
#258 |
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No it's among white women who are the largest chunk of the dems, he has more votes in the repub vote |
barack the house |
Apr-26-08 05:43 AM |
#261 |
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RE: WHITE WOMEN |
cjsmom44 |
Apr-26-08 06:02 AM |
#264 |
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who fucking cares.... I am getting very tired of the race game.... |
truthpusher |
Apr-26-08 11:32 AM |
#269 |
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Double standard |
hokies4ever |
Apr-26-08 11:35 AM |
#270 |
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Elected. Pledged. Delegate. Majority. |
krkaufman |
Apr-26-08 12:50 PM |
#272 |
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kick |
DemVet |
Apr-26-08 07:14 PM |
#277 |
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You are pointing out that a Black man can't win and that is disgraceful |
bambino |
Apr-26-08 07:20 PM |
#278 |
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