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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. The rule book states that the primary is a delegate race
not a popular vote race.

This is irrelevant anyway, since Hillary doesn't have a popular vote advantage either.
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  -How do you think Al Gore would think about pledged delegates vs popular vote in his SD decision? jsamuel  Apr-24-08 04:30 PM   #0 
  - The same way that he felt about electoral college votes vs. popular votes  Mooney   Apr-24-08 04:32 PM   #1 
  - right, but SDs are the rules too  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:33 PM   #5 
  - Does grasping at straws have any special meaning for you?  Liberal Gramma   Apr-24-08 04:36 PM   #8 
  - but the popular vote may be a more relevant measure of the voters' choice than the PDs  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:38 PM   #10 
     - He wouldn't, because he knows how to read a rule book.  Mooney   Apr-24-08 04:39 PM   #12 
     - the rule book does not state that the SDs have to vote with the PDs or with the popular vote or with  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:40 PM   #14 
        - The rule book states that the primary is a delegate race  Mooney   Apr-24-08 04:43 PM   #16 
           - and SDs are delegates who can make their choice however they want  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:46 PM   #25 
     - Doesn't matter what he thinks  Liberal Gramma   Apr-24-08 04:44 PM   #22 
     - Read this, popular vote is not relevant  Obama_for_our_future   Apr-24-08 04:48 PM   #27 
     - Quite, but the time to debate this was 2005-7.  anigbrowl   Apr-24-08 05:10 PM   #37 
     - true, but the current rules state that the SDs could vote against both the PDs and pop vote  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 05:16 PM   #38 
     - So, in the current Democratic race... who do think is ahead in  lapfog_1   Apr-24-08 05:40 PM   #39 
        - based on my opinion, Obama leads both  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 05:56 PM   #41 
  - But that's not the premise of this thread.  Mooney   Apr-24-08 04:38 PM   #11 
  - That's exactly right! The Dems didn't stretch and break the rules in 2000, the Goopers did. nt  ORDem   Apr-24-08 04:38 PM   #9 
  - HRC = GWB  Mooney   Apr-24-08 04:44 PM   #21 
     - OMG!! THIS IS HUGH!!!  Cronus Protagonist   Apr-24-08 04:52 PM   #30 
        - You raise a lot of very interesting points.  Mooney   Apr-24-08 11:24 PM   #42 
  - That's the absolute truth right there.  chascarrillo   Apr-24-08 04:45 PM   #24 
  - I dont think that would even be a consideration as he doesnt like the Clintons  DJ13   Apr-24-08 04:33 PM   #2 
  - maybe, but he has purposely kept his opinion on the race from the public for the good of the party  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:34 PM   #6 
     - you don't know that that's his reasoning  cali   Apr-24-08 04:40 PM   #13 
        - you are right, I don't know his reasoning  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:41 PM   #15 
  - I don't think that the issue is popular vs. pledged.  tekisui   Apr-24-08 04:33 PM   #3 
  - Did he complain about delegates vs. popular votes in the Primary?  NYCGirl   Apr-24-08 04:33 PM   #4 
  - Does the popular vote include all caucus states including the four where totals are unavailable?  BeyondGeography   Apr-24-08 04:35 PM   #7 
  - Is Al Gore president? Nope. Because the president is elected by Electoral College.  beachmom   Apr-24-08 04:43 PM   #17 
  - Did the GE in 2000 include caucuses?  GarbagemanLB   Apr-24-08 04:43 PM   #18 
  - It wont' matter Obama will lead in both popular vote and pledged delegates.  book_worm   Apr-24-08 04:44 PM   #19 
  - if he leads in both at the end, you are right  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:45 PM   #23 
  - since Al understands rules, he knows that primaries/caucuses are about delegates  SoCalDem   Apr-24-08 04:44 PM   #20 
  - disenfranchise the caucus vote?  dcindian   Apr-24-08 04:48 PM   #26 
  - those who voted in caucuses can be included like how rcp has done  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:49 PM   #28 
     - don't like the out come just guess?  dcindian   Apr-24-08 04:51 PM   #29 
        - well, if it were really important, the national party may be able to get them to release their  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 04:53 PM   #31 
           - It is very important that is why they get pledged delegates.  dcindian   Apr-24-08 04:56 PM   #32 
              - huh? I am trying to add their votes in.  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 05:00 PM   #34 
                 - votes already counted delegates given.  dcindian   Apr-24-08 05:05 PM   #35 
                    - I am trying to see what the national popular vote is including their votes.  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 05:06 PM   #36 
  - General Election vs. Primary --> Apples and Oranges  dave29   Apr-24-08 05:00 PM   #33 
  - Note huge difference - there were NO CAUCUSES in that election  karynnj   Apr-24-08 05:47 PM   #40 
  - Pledged delegates are proportional. Electoral votes are not.  hnmnf   Apr-24-08 11:25 PM   #43 
  - Pledged delegates are supposed to be reflective of the popular  mmonk   Apr-24-08 11:26 PM   #44 
  - pledged delegates are specifically NOT supposed to be reflections of the pop vote  jsamuel   Apr-24-08 11:29 PM   #46 
  - I don't know, but...  PseudoIntellect   Apr-24-08 11:27 PM   #45 
  - That's why he would be for Obama of course.  anonymous171   Apr-24-08 11:30 PM   #47 
  - Well, Obama leads by both so I'm sure he would side with Obama. BTW, Al  my3boyz   Apr-25-08 12:01 AM   #48 
  - Pledged delegates  FlaGranny   Apr-25-08 12:36 AM   #49 

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