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86. Don't fool yourself
the Clintons have never been "openly".
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  -After watching TeamClinton operate OPENLY the last 6 months, have any of you changed your blm  Apr-24-08 03:48 PM   #0 
  - Tag so I can read at home.  Political Heretic   Apr-24-08 03:49 PM   #1 
  - Sadly, I firmly believe your last sentence. n/t  cui bono   Apr-24-08 03:50 PM   #2 
  - You always document which  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-24-08 03:50 PM   #3 
  - Now it's up to others to keep the truth alive. Truth IS our only hope.  blm   Apr-28-08 12:31 PM   #165 
  - Impeach Clinton!  chknltl   Apr-24-08 03:52 PM   #4 
  - Yes the rose colored glasses are off.  Egnever   Apr-24-08 03:54 PM   #5 
  - WORD!!  uponit7771   Apr-24-08 04:15 PM   #12 
  - Trust me...I know how you feel. Once your eyes are open the 90s look entirely different, too.  blm   Apr-24-08 07:01 PM   #29 
     - They certainly do  Egnever   Apr-24-08 07:35 PM   #32 
        - Ive watched them during and since their Arkansas days. Believe me there's nothing there.  polpilot   Apr-25-08 01:40 PM   # 
        - I've watched them during and since their Arkansas days. Believe me there's nothing there.  polpilot   Apr-25-08 01:40 PM   #66 
        - same here.  ray of light   Apr-25-08 01:49 PM   #68 
  - The course of events has made this glaringly apparent.  AtomicKitten   Apr-24-08 03:55 PM   #6 
  - One day soon you will have to post your journey and maybe open more eyes along the way  blm   Apr-24-08 07:10 PM   #30 
  - I'm sorry to say it's the same with me.  Enthusiast   Apr-25-08 03:27 PM   #98 
  - I'm totally in agreement with you.  speedoo   Apr-24-08 04:05 PM   #7 
  - Thanks for the reminder - I'll add Vanity Fair article about the undermining of Gore  blm   Apr-24-08 04:08 PM   #9 
  - Great... I need to read that.  speedoo   Apr-24-08 04:12 PM   #10 
  - I know exactly when it was...for me anyway  SoFlaJet   Apr-24-08 05:28 PM   #24 
  - That was terrible, huh!  ClayZ   Apr-25-08 12:32 AM   #41 
  - That was the lightning bolt for me, too. I knew in an instant who Hillary Clinton really was.  Diane R   Apr-25-08 02:11 PM   #73 
  - Yeah - that's when I started calling her Tonya Harding.  blm   Apr-25-08 07:24 PM   #114 
  - that was the moment that opened my eyes, too.  ginnyinWI   Apr-26-08 01:25 PM   #138 
  - follow the money nt  mopinko   Apr-24-08 11:36 PM   #36 
  - Same Dubai royals protected by deep-sixed BCCI matters are lining Clintons' bank accounts now.  blm   Apr-25-08 01:26 PM   #62 
     - Could that be where her 10 million on Tuesday night came from?  Diane R   Apr-25-08 02:12 PM   #75 
        - Don't know - but definitely can count part of 5 million lent to campaign last month.  blm   Apr-25-08 03:56 PM   #105 
  - Hell no we won't go to Hillary...  WHAT   Apr-25-08 01:29 PM   #64 
  - You know, when I think about it,  FlaGranny   Apr-26-08 08:52 AM   #120 
  - Yes, Gore became a populist in 2000. DLCers blamed his "loss" of fighting for the people:  mod mom   Apr-26-08 10:04 AM   #126 
  - I've gone for having a lot of respect for the Clintons  XemaSab   Apr-24-08 04:05 PM   #8 
  - DLC versus the rest of the party...  dchill   Apr-25-08 10:01 AM   #51 
     - For me its Anti-corruption, Open Government Dems v Closed Government wing of the party.  blm   Apr-25-08 11:37 AM   #57 
     - And I will add that the DLC  Jawja   Apr-26-08 12:20 PM   #132 
  - Would be surprised but not shocked if they did  uponit7771   Apr-24-08 04:13 PM   #11 
  - Hillary Clinton has bothered me since I first became aware...  dchill   Apr-24-08 04:15 PM   #13 
  - Interesting that Marion Wright Edelman (Children's Defense Fund) has not endorsed HRC  Divernan   Apr-24-08 04:22 PM   #14 
     - HRC stopped displaying ANY interest in "children's welfare" when she stood by Bill and clapped  Ken Burch   Apr-25-08 03:11 PM   #95 
  - The reaction to The Joke is what did it for me, but I can imagine a few more  beachmom   Apr-24-08 04:28 PM   #15 
  - That was a complete display of disloyalty to party and humanity on her part.  blm   Apr-24-08 06:37 PM   #28 
     - disloyat to party, disloyal to friends, coworkers,  ray of light   Apr-24-08 07:30 PM   #31 
     - That clip of Hillary should get it's own thread. Viewers will now see who she's always been.  Diane R   Apr-25-08 02:16 PM   #78 
  - You read my mind!!!  ray of light   Apr-24-08 04:29 PM   #16 
  - This stuff is hard to get past... the truth is needed for our party to learn, adjust and move on.  blm   Apr-24-08 05:15 PM   #22 
  - My eyes are wide open now, and I finally see the *real* Clintons.  No Surrender   Apr-24-08 04:33 PM   #17 
  - Agreed. She's sabotaging the party in 08 to run in 2012.  TexasObserver   Apr-24-08 04:36 PM   #18 
  - yep, any respect I had for her has gone out the window.  book_worm   Apr-24-08 04:54 PM   #19 
  - K&R, and keeping on file.  bhikkhu   Apr-24-08 04:55 PM   #20 
  - sort of seems like she's scortching the earth right now.  ray of light   Apr-24-08 06:05 PM   #25 
     - They'll be co-presenters.  blm   Apr-24-08 06:16 PM   #26 
  - undermined them? They changed votes? Doubt it.  bigtree   Apr-24-08 04:57 PM   #21 
  - and one day you'll explain why you believe Brinkley was lying...right?  blm   Apr-24-08 05:26 PM   #23 
     - ....crickets......  swampg8r   Apr-26-08 10:30 AM   #127 
        - heh...good catch...  blm   Apr-26-08 12:15 PM   #131 
  - I agree with the sentence about Hillary2012. I was a big supporter at one time for  AlinPA   Apr-24-08 06:23 PM   #27 
  - I have no doubt they have been planning all of it but then Obama  GetTheRightVote   Apr-24-08 07:38 PM   #33 
  - thank you JK for taking a chance in 04, when Hillary knew shehad to play it safe  ray of light   Apr-24-08 08:19 PM   #34 
     - We owe John Kerry a lot. And the Clinton succeeded in denying him the presidency, too.  Diane R   Apr-25-08 02:19 PM   #79 
     - Only because most Dems didn't KNOW the level of their deceits then. NOW we know.  blm   Apr-26-08 11:51 AM   #130 
     - They denied him the Presidency AND they made us SUFFER  ray of light   Apr-26-08 07:17 PM   #154 
     - what you said  MBS   Apr-26-08 08:58 AM   #121 
     - yes indeed nt  goclark   Apr-26-08 04:58 PM   #147 
  - I posted exactly this sentiment in 2003 on this site  Samantha   Apr-24-08 08:51 PM   #35 
  - Yes - I included the Vanity Fair article because Gore was their FIRST TARGET.  blm   Apr-25-08 01:50 PM   #69 
     - That was an excellent article - this Country has paid HEAVILY  Samantha   Apr-25-08 09:37 PM   #118 
        - It was Gore's latest book that proved to me why Clintons DIDN'T TRUST HIM with their legacies  blm   Apr-26-08 10:31 AM   #128 
           - Excellent point  Samantha   Apr-26-08 04:50 PM   #146 
              - Who are they going to trust, honorable men like Gore and Kerry or deceivers like themselves?  blm   Apr-26-08 05:14 PM   #150 
  - well, i am proud of du.  mopinko   Apr-24-08 11:42 PM   #37 
  - I hear you - it's been frustrating and most often the targets have been other victims of  blm   Apr-25-08 12:04 PM   #58 
  - I completely changed my opinion of both of them  Hamlette   Apr-24-08 11:42 PM   #38 
  - There's a reason Kerry endorsed Obama and not Hillary.  FlyingSquirrel   Apr-24-08 11:58 PM   #39 
  - I think it's the same reason she's getting so few new endorsements from Senators.  Diane R   Apr-25-08 02:22 PM   #80 
     - True - almost every new Senator endorsement since February has been for Obama.  blm   Apr-25-08 02:29 PM   #84 
  - K&R. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Apr-25-08 12:26 AM   #40 
  - The hardest part  FatDave   Apr-25-08 01:19 AM   #42 
  - He wasn't right about it - I doubt he saw how Clintons protected BushInc in the 90s, and  blm   Apr-25-08 09:14 AM   #46 
     - Great thread, blm. That Parry article has got to be one of the most-linked at DU.  seafan   Apr-25-08 12:22 PM   #60 
        - There are many who see themselves in your post, seafan.  blm   Apr-25-08 12:42 PM   #61 
        - The truth will set us free. Thanks for all you do, blm.  seafan   Apr-25-08 02:22 PM   #81 
        - Parry is a hero to this nation. He and the Dem lawmakers who exposed BushInc  blm   Apr-25-08 02:00 PM   #71 
  - Both dynasties run on oil and are directed by the same, small circles of global elites  leveymg   Apr-25-08 02:33 AM   #43 
  - Your post is brilliant  BelgianMadCow   Apr-26-08 05:34 PM   #152 
     - his posts are ALWAYS brilliant - if you haven't yet done so, read his journal.  blm   Apr-27-08 04:34 PM   #159 
  - Damning stuff, most likely true  48percenter   Apr-25-08 02:41 AM   #44 
  - Point being that this race forced them to do their dirty work in the OPEN.  blm   Apr-25-08 09:34 AM   #47 
     - And the media allowed it to happen.  ray of light   Apr-25-08 04:30 PM   #109 
        - right - they couldn't cover as well with so many of us watching and listening to every word.  blm   Apr-25-08 05:19 PM   #111 
  - I used to love them now I can't stomach them  Raine   Apr-25-08 02:41 AM   #45 
  - I've changed my mind about one thing... She's actually worse than I thought she was nt  wowimthere   Apr-25-08 09:36 AM   #48 
  - I was pretty much neutral until she started talking about ...  Sentinel Chicken   Apr-25-08 09:49 AM   #49 
  - About as hard as she fought for Iraq withdrawal - she wasn't for it till Lieberman lost HIS primary  blm   Apr-25-08 10:40 AM   #52 
  - K&R  dchill   Apr-25-08 09:59 AM   #50 
  - I loved Bill - could take or leave Hillary.  Laurab   Apr-25-08 10:48 AM   #53 
  - You've been speaking this truth here for a LONG time... I'm glad people are finally waking up  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-25-08 10:56 AM   #54 
  - Anyone who sees the truth before others do gets labeled quickly as 'delusional' or 'unhinged'  blm   Apr-25-08 11:03 AM   #55 
     - Apology accepted  politicasista   Apr-25-08 02:15 PM   #77 
     - Don't worry...we still love you anyways :)  1trackmindGOP   Apr-25-08 04:01 PM   #107 
  - That last sentence really says it all.  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Apr-25-08 11:36 AM   #56 
  - Used to love 'em both.  Mystery2Me   Apr-25-08 12:04 PM   #59 
  - I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. According to the Clintons the Democratic party OWES  truebrit71   Apr-25-08 01:29 PM   #63 
  - Yep. When Dean became chair of DNC that drew the same target on him that TeamClinton had  blm   Apr-25-08 01:41 PM   #67 
  - A bangin' K&R  politicasista   Apr-25-08 01:36 PM   #65 
  - Despicable. The Clintons are despicable. nt  Oregonian   Apr-25-08 01:51 PM   #70 
  - Kerry would have challenged Ohio if the Clinton's hadn't kneecapped him.  Diane R   Apr-25-08 02:07 PM   #72 
  - K&R for the truth! n/t  rox63   Apr-25-08 02:11 PM   #74 
  - K & R  invictus   Apr-25-08 02:13 PM   #76 
  - The BOTH of them make me PHYSICALLY ILL...  Barrymores Ghost   Apr-25-08 02:25 PM   #82 
  - Your story is similar to many here. We fought so HARD for THEM. And then what?  blm   Apr-25-08 03:04 PM   #94 
  - Oh, and one MORE thing...K&R. Excellent post. N/T  Barrymores Ghost   Apr-25-08 02:26 PM   #83 
  - i always used to defend hillary from repukes, and although  goletian   Apr-25-08 02:38 PM   #87 
  - and I keep saiding...  But....   Apr-25-08 02:32 PM   #85 
  - Don't fool yourself  limit18   Apr-25-08 02:34 PM   #86 
  - I mean 'openly' as in directing their attacks on an emerging Dem leader 'openly'  blm   Apr-25-08 02:53 PM   #92 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Apr-25-08 02:38 PM   #88 
  - i was very pleased to be able to choose between hillary, edwards and obama, but things change.  goletian   Apr-25-08 02:40 PM   #89 
  - The entire DLC/Clinton Operation is meant to be Democratic Party sabotage  MessiahRp   Apr-25-08 02:41 PM   #90 
  - That's the thing about being Democrats - we can't STOMACH that level of lying and if we could  blm   Apr-25-08 02:56 PM   #93 
  - K&R. (nt)  Kurovski   Apr-25-08 02:50 PM   #91 
  - Why the hate?  RememberWellstone   Apr-25-08 03:13 PM   #96 
  - If she was only "just trying to run her race"  Enthusiast   Apr-25-08 03:40 PM   #100 
  - Try reading the post next time and ask WHY Clintons hate open government Democrats.  blm   Apr-25-08 03:40 PM   #101 
  - Hillary has run her campaign the opposite of the Wellstone way.  ray of light   Apr-25-08 04:29 PM   #108 
  - Yes - Wellstone would have been all over the tube speaking for Kerry in 2004. Did Hillary?  blm   Apr-25-08 05:11 PM   #110 
  - "Just trying to run the race" would mean NOT bashing and not going negative.  Ken Burch   Apr-29-08 04:44 AM   #166 
  - put down the kool-aide. nt  VotesForWomen   Apr-25-08 03:24 PM   #97 
  - If YOU put down the kool-aid and picked UP the National Security Archives you could  blm   Apr-25-08 03:44 PM   #102 
  - The last line says it all.  JeanGrey   Apr-25-08 03:35 PM   #99 
  - Was Carville working for the Kerry campaign at the time he got info on election night ...  TheBorealAvenger   Apr-25-08 03:54 PM   #103 
  - No. Carville likely got the info from McAuliffe who was head of the DNC and would've  blm   Apr-25-08 04:00 PM   #106 
     - Ok. I had to sleep on this one and now I am with you  TheBorealAvenger   Apr-26-08 07:49 AM   #119 
        - Kerry didn't let Carville in. I think Gore likely warned JK which Clintonites to look out for  blm   Apr-26-08 11:27 AM   #129 
           - And Carville calls Richardson a "Judas"?  ginnyinWI   Apr-26-08 01:38 PM   #139 
              - Worse than a rat - he's proved to be a mole acting to protect BushInc.  blm   Apr-26-08 01:58 PM   #141 
  - there was a point in the last  elmerdem   Apr-25-08 03:55 PM   #104 
  - My view hasn't changed - the lid put on investigations of HWB  BelgianMadCow   Apr-25-08 05:37 PM   #112 
  - That's my issue - it effected the view and accuracy of our nation's historic record  blm   Apr-25-08 06:12 PM   #113 
     - Indeed, and in keeping the lid on the can  BelgianMadCow   Apr-26-08 05:13 PM   #149 
        - And study of journals by Octafish, leveymg, robertpaulsen, bobthedrummer,  blm   Apr-28-08 09:49 AM   #164 
  - K&R...  KoKo01   Apr-25-08 07:58 PM   #115 
  - I've come to that conclusion  Raine   Apr-25-08 08:13 PM   #116 
  - I doubt there is ANY Dem happy about having to face the truth. I know I wasn't.  blm   Apr-25-08 09:27 PM   #117 
  - Watching the Clintons  FlaGranny   Apr-26-08 09:18 AM   #122 
  - Yes - I'd really like to hear a 'DEBATE' about her influence on policy in the 90s.  blm   Apr-26-08 09:52 AM   #124 
  - Thanks for a great post  Pavlovs DiOgie   Apr-26-08 09:39 AM   #123 
  - How the heck did I miss this-EXCELLENT POST including the comments!  mod mom   Apr-26-08 09:59 AM   #125 
  - Small story to share  CaptJasHook   Apr-26-08 12:37 PM   #133 
  - Limbaugh and his ilk weren't being truthful either. They were the rinfleaders of the dog and pony  blm   Apr-26-08 12:42 PM   #134 
     - good points!  ray of light   Apr-26-08 03:43 PM   #142 
     - thankyou - 90s do look different don't they?  blm   Apr-26-08 04:16 PM   #144 
        - Things always look different in hindsight.  MonteLukast   Apr-27-08 10:08 AM   #157 
           - Excellent analogy - artificial sweetener....which can be fatal in excess, too.  blm   Apr-27-08 06:26 PM   #161 
     - I agree, I know that and yet...  CaptJasHook   Apr-26-08 08:54 PM   #156 
        - A good way to know it's NOT an issue of sanity is by reading this thread.  blm   Apr-27-08 06:29 PM   #162 
  - You know, I've never been a big fan of the Clintons  tammywammy   Apr-26-08 12:54 PM   #135 
  - Hillary throwing John Kerry..  stillcool47   Apr-26-08 12:57 PM   #136 
  - I hang my head in shame as one who wouldn't contemplate that the Clintons would do such a thing.  indie_ana_500   Apr-26-08 12:58 PM   #137 
  - I would but that would imply it's ONLY been 4 yrs. They targeted Gore first.  blm   Apr-26-08 01:47 PM   #140 
     - On the bright side--look how far we've come.  ginnyinWI   Apr-26-08 03:55 PM   #143 
  - Someone please help me understand.  DesertedRose   Apr-26-08 04:40 PM   #145 
  - Your question deserves its own thread. I don't think you'll get the answers you  blm   Apr-26-08 05:16 PM   #151 
  - Yes me, my bf, my sister, my whole family has believed this for a few months now.  angie_love   Apr-26-08 04:59 PM   #148 
  - Sooner for me - I lost all sympathy for Clintons after reading Bill's book.  blm   Apr-26-08 06:23 PM   #153 
     - Didn't he say in his book...  MonteLukast   Apr-27-08 10:10 AM   #158 
  - kick  ClayZ   Apr-26-08 07:33 PM   #155 
  - sad to say i am repulsed by their conduct.  npincus   Apr-27-08 05:11 PM   #160 
     - Look above your post at this thread - there are many who feel as you do.  blm   Apr-27-08 08:05 PM   #163 

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