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Thu Apr-24-08 03:43 PM
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| 16. Important differences in their voting records |
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Obama didn't vote for the bankruptcy bill, IWR, to declare Iran a terrorist state, Kyl-Lieberman, against banning cluster bombs, etc. Hillary did!
He is not in favor of expanding NAFTA through a Columbia trade deal, but the Clintons are.
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| -Bill Clinton was the best Republican President we ever had (Michael Moore) |
nebula |
Apr-24-08 03:17 PM |
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You know, I actually pity.... |
DemVet |
Apr-24-08 03:19 PM |
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You disagree with his assessment of the Clinton years? What specifically... |
truebrit71 |
Apr-24-08 03:48 PM |
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And don't forget his ultimate Republican achievement |
silverojo |
Apr-24-08 03:21 PM |
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Yet another example of how ideological purity kills our party. |
Vash the Stampede |
Apr-24-08 03:25 PM |
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I'm sure Mr. Moore would love to turn back the clock on this one. |
DJ13 |
Apr-24-08 03:27 PM |
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Al Gore is Al Gore, not a Clinton. (nt) |
Vash the Stampede |
Apr-25-08 07:53 AM |
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Al Gore has changed significantly since 2000 |
Armstead |
Apr-25-08 08:34 AM |
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Moore is not far off the mark. |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 03:27 PM |
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Look at History it's always been that way |
democracy1st |
Apr-24-08 03:32 PM |
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A Senate voting record is too coarse a mesh to sift out the differences |
hedgehog |
Apr-24-08 03:33 PM |
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I sure do HOPE you are wrong about him. |
Usrename |
Apr-24-08 03:35 PM |
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1,000,000 individual donars say you are wrong |
LSK |
Apr-24-08 03:42 PM |
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I'm not lying; but you've obviously been tricked by the smoke and mirrors. |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 04:00 PM |
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as one of the responders to the mydd link said: |
LSK |
Apr-24-08 04:08 PM |
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Smoke and mirrors. But then the whole campaign is a will-o'-the-wisp orchestrated |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 05:18 PM |
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have you ever donated to a campaign??? |
LSK |
Apr-24-08 07:02 PM |
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"But the Illinois Democrat’s policy of shunning money from lobbyists registered to do business |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 08:16 PM |
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Important differences in their voting records |
nebula |
Apr-24-08 03:43 PM |
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I agree Obama is somewhat better on some issues. |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 04:03 PM |
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You say "neither is good enough"... which is true. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 04:22 PM |
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I started working for the Democratic Party in 1960, was eligible to |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 04:49 PM |
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I love that quote by Jefferson. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 04:52 PM |
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Look at my signature line. |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 04:59 PM |
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He isn't up there spewing cowboy-talk like Bush. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 03:43 PM |
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Nice. But not good enough. |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 04:16 PM |
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Yes, I noted your opinion already. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 04:19 PM |
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I don't see any great differences in their behavior either... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 04:42 PM |
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This I know. What makes you think I think they're saints? |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 04:53 PM |
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Obama made a similar gaffe regarding Pakistan... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 04:59 PM |
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A similar gaffe? |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 05:02 PM |
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It was similar in that it was not in "diplomatic speak", it was an unguarded comment... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 05:08 PM |
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Yes but we're discussing cowboy talk... not "unguarded comments" in general. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 05:10 PM |
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I agree, however, on my list of reasons to not vote for a candidate, it would be near the bottom... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 05:17 PM |
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Ah no... those are the warmongering Reps and Dems. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 05:20 PM |
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Inserting "Warmongering" in front of either of those party descriptors is redundant... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 05:26 PM |
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IMO it is not. Not all politicians love war... not all Americans have always loved war. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 05:29 PM |
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The problem is that they are a minority, not a majority... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 05:38 PM |
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It depends on more than just them. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 05:40 PM |
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The fact that's its charactized as "Obama's Movement" sets it up for failure... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 05:59 PM |
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Well I only call it that because that's who started it... |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 06:04 PM |
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That's actually another problem, political movements that start at the top... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 06:23 PM |
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... |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 08:23 PM |
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A few months ago, I would have agreed with you. |
redqueen |
Apr-25-08 09:36 AM |
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Some choice. |
Blue State Native |
Apr-24-08 03:45 PM |
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I take your thoughts seriously, but I think I disagree and let me explain why: |
Political Heretic |
Apr-24-08 03:46 PM |
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As a native of Illinois and a landholder there, I contributed to Obama's |
Benhurst |
Apr-24-08 04:32 PM |
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I would have guessed it... back in 1990. |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 04:55 PM |
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Amen. I wish I could rec this response. n/t |
Tatiana |
Apr-24-08 04:32 PM |
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One word: Iraq |
catgirl |
Apr-24-08 04:46 PM |
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Exactly. If Bill Clinton was the best, and Obama becomes POTUS, he'll be second-best. |
Straight Shooter |
Apr-24-08 05:24 PM |
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I disagree with Moore on Clinton. Sure he made mistakes |
mzmolly |
Apr-24-08 03:37 PM |
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Alan Greenspan thought so |
Armstead |
Apr-25-08 08:36 AM |
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That's because they wish to feign a kinship with someone who actually had a clue |
mzmolly |
Apr-25-08 09:49 AM |
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And GWB is the worst. Thanks to Nader/Moore, America got screwed by the worst. |
oasis |
Apr-24-08 03:38 PM |
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Although I once summarily rejected this notion, Moore turns out to have been exactly correct. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-24-08 03:38 PM |
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Thom Hartmann said much of the same in Screwed |
LSK |
Apr-24-08 03:40 PM |
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Been saying that for years. Sadly, the political landscape in this Godforsaken country |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 03:41 PM |
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You know, that's a pretty good way to say it. He was pretty good, for a moderate republican. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-24-08 03:43 PM |
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Bill Clinton is a Democrat, through and through, the fact is the Democratic party... |
Solon |
Apr-24-08 04:37 PM |
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then Obama and Hillary are both Good Republicans |
Enrique |
Apr-24-08 03:45 PM |
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I'll take the Democrat, Obama thank you very much... |
truebrit71 |
Apr-24-08 03:50 PM |
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I have been saying this for YEARS. |
msallied |
Apr-24-08 03:51 PM |
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Alan Greenspan said Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we've had in a while. |
PA Democrat |
Apr-24-08 04:14 PM |
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I've been saying that about Bill for years now. (nt) |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 04:20 PM |
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I agree. He wasn't my choice in the 1992 primaries because |
livetohike |
Apr-24-08 04:37 PM |
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Telecom Act of '96, MF Trade Status for China, NAFTA, Pushing for Banking Mergers- |
mod mom |
Apr-24-08 04:50 PM |
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Peace? Prosperity? Balanced budgets? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-24-08 05:19 PM |
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Peace? |
redqueen |
Apr-24-08 05:21 PM |
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If you compare the 12 years prior and the 8 years after, then yes, peace. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-24-08 08:10 PM |
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President Clinton inherited a poorly-conceived Iraq containment strategy |
TheBorealAvenger |
Apr-25-08 08:27 AM |
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I don't see how attacking Clinton helps Democrats |
East Liberty Denizen |
Apr-24-08 07:15 PM |
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Yes, and what Moore said is "demotivating" and discourages people from voting |
TheBorealAvenger |
Apr-25-08 08:30 AM |
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Huh? Do you really think GW Bush reversed what Clinton helped set in motion? |
Armstead |
Apr-25-08 08:40 AM |
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K & R |
WA98296 |
Apr-24-08 09:12 PM |
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According to Moore, there is no difference between Gore and Bush. Moore would prefer an actual repub |
zlt234 |
Apr-25-08 07:55 AM |
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There is a difference between Gore 2000 and Gore 2008 |
Armstead |
Apr-25-08 08:37 AM |
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Do you actually think there is no difference between Gore 2000 and Bush 2000? |
zlt234 |
Apr-25-08 08:50 AM |
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