ScarletSniper
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #32 |
| 53. Don't teach them to emulate you either, at least not how you act on DU:GP, not pretty |
| -Lesson from the Pennsylvania Primary: Attacking Works |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 12:48 AM |
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I think Obama realizes this. I hope he goes negative on her in NC. |
anonymous171 |
Apr-23-08 12:49 AM |
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The new politics of Hope & change & going negative on her in NC |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-23-08 12:52 AM |
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For Clinton. He could flatten her with negative ad buys. |
anonymous171 |
Apr-23-08 01:03 AM |
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I hope he spends it all on negative ad buys! |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-23-08 01:05 AM |
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Every attack sticks to Clinton. He would crush her,. |
anonymous171 |
Apr-23-08 01:05 AM |
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sure it would. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-23-08 01:09 AM |
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The candidate of Hope going negative? The man who wants to move past the old style of politics? |
2rth2pwr |
Apr-23-08 12:54 AM |
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I think the lesson of PA is that "new politics" is bullshit. It just doesn't work. |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 01:02 AM |
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Gosh, if he can't change how campaigns work how is he going to change Washington DC |
GoldieAZ49 |
Apr-23-08 01:27 AM |
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You asked around? You know for a fact this is what happened? |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-23-08 12:50 AM |
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So we've learned that sliming a fellow democrat works |
XemaSab |
Apr-23-08 12:51 AM |
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Yep. Makes us as shitty as the repugs. |
Kool Kitty |
Apr-23-08 12:54 AM |
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With one difference: |
XemaSab |
Apr-23-08 03:35 PM |
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Very good point. |
Kool Kitty |
Apr-24-08 12:16 AM |
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Unfortunately we learned this in 2004. Remember when our convention took the high road |
TheDonkey |
Apr-23-08 12:53 AM |
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She lost about 15% of her lead.. |
tridim |
Apr-23-08 12:53 AM |
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Still, for what Obama poured into the state, what he got out really wasn't enough |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 12:59 AM |
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sure it was |
johnnydrama |
Apr-23-08 01:03 AM |
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Obama doesn't need to attack hillary. He only needs to defend himself against her attacks. HE WON |
DerekJ |
Apr-23-08 12:54 AM |
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Just keep repeating that. Who cares what everyone else says? n/t |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 01:00 AM |
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Actually, Austinitis |
NewHampshireDem |
Apr-23-08 01:03 AM |
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Wow, you are actually saying that someone else posts bullshit. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:06 AM |
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Oh bullshit...being white works |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-23-08 01:03 AM |
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I don't think that's it. But if it was, would that bode any better for Obama in the GE? |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 01:06 AM |
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...in Pennsylvania when white Democrats have a choice |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-23-08 01:10 AM |
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Ah, yes, negative campaigning "works" ... |
NanceGreggs |
Apr-23-08 01:05 AM |
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Lessons from dropping a 28 point lead down to a 8.5% win |
newmajority |
Apr-23-08 01:07 AM |
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That argument doesn't work at all. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:15 AM |
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You are all wet! |
AdHocSolver |
Apr-23-08 01:10 AM |
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I think the right wing can use the bitter comments, Wright, etc. |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 01:14 AM |
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Yeah, I am surprised that everyone thinks that |
Kool Kitty |
Apr-23-08 01:23 AM |
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The Republicans would bring up all the old attacks on Hillary that would work like Pavlov's bell. |
AdHocSolver |
Apr-23-08 01:31 AM |
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It's not so much a "vetting" thing as it is a change in the narrative around her |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 10:19 AM |
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It's probably a combination of both. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:10 AM |
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If by "works" you mean turning a landslide into a molehill? |
boppers |
Apr-23-08 01:11 AM |
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Sure. At least Hillary doesn't lose every big swing state by 10 points or more. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:12 AM |
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She wins because she uses the party structure already in place. |
anonymous171 |
Apr-23-08 01:13 AM |
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Or maybe he just loses because he isn't as good a candidate in those states. Who-da-thunk. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:16 AM |
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...or maybe the republicans got bored and switched parties for the sake of a vote. |
boppers |
Apr-23-08 01:25 AM |
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Obama's the one who kept switching people over. |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 01:27 AM |
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Possibly. |
boppers |
Apr-23-08 01:30 AM |
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Except... only 3% of the electorate were repub switchovers. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:32 AM |
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So, it's blue, like NY and CA? |
boppers |
Apr-23-08 01:47 AM |
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This really isn't that hard to understand. PA is a swing state. Kerry won it by 2 points. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:55 AM |
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The reason these "big swing states" are "big swing states" in the first place |
newmajority |
Apr-23-08 01:29 AM |
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When Obama loses, it's because of E-voting. When he wins on E-voting, he won it fair and square. |
zlt234 |
Apr-23-08 01:35 AM |
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is that what you teach your children how you treat your partner your friends etc. (n/t)... |
Ysabel |
Apr-23-08 01:12 AM |
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I don't teach my kids to emulate politicians. I don't think you should either. n/t |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 01:15 AM |
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Don't teach them to emulate you either, at least not how you act on DU:GP, not pretty |
ScarletSniper |
Apr-23-08 10:40 AM |
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I don't think it works. |
kmsarvis |
Apr-23-08 01:21 AM |
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But, for the resources committed by Obama to PA, closing 10 points |
Austinitis |
Apr-23-08 01:26 AM |
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What was he doing for the past two weeks? |
NewHampshireDem |
Apr-23-08 01:50 AM |
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Fair points, but something to keep in mind |
democrattotheend |
Apr-23-08 10:33 AM |
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Yes, it works for HRC. She will DESTROY the democratic party in order to save her Nomination. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-23-08 10:38 AM |
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Yep. That's pretty much it. Clinton strategy kill all the hens for one egg..lol |
ScarletSniper |
Apr-23-08 10:39 AM |
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