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104. Did you feel betrayed by black people voting for Obama because he is black?
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  -My house is like a morgue tonight... noel711  Apr-22-08 10:29 PM   #0 
  - What utter bullshit. "betrayed by white people"  The_Casual_Observer   Apr-22-08 10:30 PM   #1 
  - So you dispute Fast Eddie?  Kittycat   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #4 
  - So Ed Rendell talks BS?  tabatha   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #5 
  - Some grad student with an over-developed sense of white guilt supports Obama.  smalll   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #6 
  - What is the matter with you?  MattNC   Apr-22-08 10:33 PM   #12 
  - We need to continue our fight against Hillary's pig-slop politics and old, corrupt thinking...  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-23-08 08:48 AM   #158 
  - what an ass you've shown yourself to be  RareLubbockDem   Apr-22-08 10:34 PM   #18 
  - Dumb bigots who pee their pants at the sight of Osama Bin Laden support the GOP lite candidate.  thecatburgler   Apr-22-08 10:50 PM   #40 
  - How...ignorant and ill-mannered. Like a losing playground bully  aquart   Apr-23-08 06:03 AM   #131 
  - Smalll... yes. Quite smalll.  grace0418   Apr-22-08 11:54 PM   #80 
  - lol  Ka hrnt   Apr-22-08 11:55 PM   #82 
  - Dear Small.... thanks for your 'understanding' comment...  noel711   Apr-23-08 05:42 AM   #118 
  - There were times during the American Revolution that were unpleasant and revealing. Denying the  polpilot   Apr-23-08 06:39 AM   #141 
  - She did good...  PassingFair   Apr-23-08 08:14 AM   #151 
  - what bothers me about stating race BETRAYAL  formernaderite   Apr-23-08 09:04 AM   #168 
  - "if we too easily label and bait one another"  spoony   Apr-23-08 10:31 AM   #170 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-08 09:03 AM   #167 
  - Well if she was walking around and hearing people saying they are  oviedodem   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #8 
  - Actually, Old, Uneducated White People according to her voter demographic. -eom  Justitia   Apr-22-08 10:47 PM   #35 
  - actually.....  ruby slippers   Apr-23-08 01:59 AM   #96 
  - Please stop. Only losers whine and make excuses! Obama supporters are better than that!...  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-23-08 08:59 AM   #163 
  - I dunno.  quakerboy   Apr-22-08 11:02 PM   #46 
  - You left black voters out of your racism equation  bamalib   Apr-23-08 02:09 AM   #100 
     - ok  quakerboy   Apr-23-08 02:45 AM   #107 
        - Hillary gained a net 78K votes?????????  michreject   Apr-23-08 06:40 AM   #142 
  - Sounds like that's her feeling why can't she express it.  kwenu   Apr-22-08 11:07 PM   #49 
  - Exactly. Apparently you HAVE to vote for Obama, or you're a racist white person.  Dave From Canada   Apr-22-08 11:16 PM   #56 
  - No, but if you snarl in the face of people who are for Obama...  noel711   Apr-23-08 05:47 AM   #122 
     - Yes. You have.  aquart   Apr-23-08 05:59 AM   #130 
        - I can't believe you said that - you can understand that Hillary campaign's smears and lies about  SaveAmerica   Apr-23-08 06:53 AM   #144 
  - Betrayed by the 20%(?)  FlaGranny   Apr-22-08 11:21 PM   #61 
  - What about the black voters who voted 92% for Obama?  bamalib   Apr-23-08 02:11 AM   #102 
     - could you credibly say that they voted for Obama  darboy   Apr-23-08 05:49 PM   #198 
        - When they vote for someone with no experience simply because of skin color  bamalib   Apr-23-08 08:30 PM   #200 
           - how do you know that?  darboy   Apr-25-08 04:33 PM   #218 
  - The truth hurts, doesn't it?  Nedsdag   Apr-22-08 11:47 PM   #76 
  - Did she get 96% of them like Obama did with black males?  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:20 PM   #190 
  - No kidding. Let's blame the whites for not voting for a weak candidate, is that it?  DemVet   Apr-23-08 08:56 AM   #161 
  - well, I was her age in 1972...  flowomo   Apr-22-08 10:31 PM   #2 
  - Oh good lord. Betrayed by the white people? WTF does it even  lizzy   Apr-22-08 10:31 PM   #3 
  - Exactly what it says. Deal with it now or deal with it on Nov 7. Your choice n/t  Catherina   Apr-22-08 11:07 PM   #48 
  - shes done well, tell her to cheer up.  goletian   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #7 
  - I know. Obama did well. Hillary did poorly and she had to have a  truedelphi   Apr-23-08 01:23 AM   #88 
  - All going to plan? Losing every big state?  bamalib   Apr-23-08 02:13 AM   #103 
  - Ah, them racists in PA! 'Not a critique, but an observation.' LOL! nt  libbygurl   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #9 
  - I'd bet you're putting words into her mouth  Rex_Goodheart   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #10 
  - Well Rex... I could haul her outta bed and she could rage at you for a change...  noel711   Apr-23-08 05:54 AM   #126 
  - I am sorry that she is down  LibraLiz1973   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   # 
  - How will it affect the young people?  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-22-08 10:32 PM   #11 
  - Why so glum?  RiverStone   Apr-22-08 10:33 PM   #13 
  - I feel betrayed by the women who vote for Obama,  jesus_of_suburbia   Apr-22-08 10:33 PM   #14 
  - Beat me to it  swishyfeet   Apr-22-08 10:37 PM   #26 
  - I feel betrayed by the older women  FlaGranny   Apr-22-08 11:24 PM   #64 
  - Did you feel betrayed by black people voting for Obama because he is black?  bamalib   Apr-23-08 02:15 AM   #104 
  - That was "tongue-in-cheek" on my part, but  FlaGranny   Apr-23-08 06:34 AM   #139 
  - No, because she's committed to health care reform  OzarkDem   Apr-23-08 05:55 AM   #128 
  - Voting against their own best interest  OzarkDem   Apr-23-08 05:52 AM   #124 
  - Place it in perspective for her, a single digit win for Obama is a knock out of the park  uponit7771   Apr-22-08 10:33 PM   #15 
  - Don't worry, it'll be like a baby shower in November  GoesTo11   Apr-22-08 10:33 PM   #16 
  - The young people of this country need to understand that sometimes you lose.  Writer   Apr-22-08 10:33 PM   #17 
  - CHIN UP ! Go back to work tomorrow. Long way to go. This is POLITICS. TOUGH BUSINESS !  RBInMaine   Apr-22-08 10:34 PM   #19 
  - So white people have an obligation to vote for Obama whether we like him or not?  saracat   Apr-22-08 10:34 PM   #20 
  - noel said she feels betrayed because of comments she's heard  woolldog   Apr-22-08 10:47 PM   #34 
  - DU tells me I am obligated to vote my vagina every day, or I'm a self-loathing woman. -eom  Justitia   Apr-22-08 10:59 PM   #45 
  - Then they whine when Ferraro makes a comment about this type of thing  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:24 PM   #191 
  - Cheer Up  NeedleCast   Apr-22-08 10:35 PM   #21 
  - Betrayed by white people?  Harvey Korman   Apr-22-08 10:35 PM   #22 
  - No shit. Life is hard enough without making crap like this up.  Iris   Apr-23-08 08:57 AM   #162 
  - Tell her to cheer up...  TTUBatfan2008   Apr-22-08 10:35 PM   #23 
  - Lots of us who've been in the trenches over the past 25 years understand  depakid   Apr-22-08 10:35 PM   #24 
  - Did anyone inform the white people of the expectations of them?  Dreamer Tatum   Apr-22-08 10:36 PM   #25 
  - I know what your daughter is going thru, I am there with her, yes the white people  GetTheRightVote   Apr-22-08 10:37 PM   # 
  - Tell her to focus on the big picture..Hilllary can't catch Obama..he will be the nominee  ScarletSniper   Apr-22-08 10:37 PM   #27 
  - I know how she feels--you said it perfectly  Truth Hurts A Lot   Apr-22-08 10:38 PM   #28 
  - I was crushed when McGovern lost, too,and that's why I want Hillary to take it to the GE  splat   Apr-22-08 10:39 PM   #29 
  - hilary's a Loser with a capital L and no more  zidzi   Apr-23-08 09:14 PM   #202 
  - was she under a rock back in 2004....  blue sky at night   Apr-22-08 10:43 PM   #30 
  - Oh, PLEASE. She feels BETRAYED BY WHITE PEOPLE??????  MADem   Apr-22-08 10:44 PM   #31 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-22-08 11:30 PM   #68 
  - What an awful reply MADem  Swamp Rat   Apr-22-08 11:45 PM   #75 
     - Oh, PLEASE--what is so awful about it?  MADem   Apr-23-08 12:13 AM   #85 
     - Wow!  Swamp Rat   Apr-23-08 01:03 AM   #87 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-08 07:13 AM   #147 
        - Obama isn't the problem here.  MADem   Apr-23-08 10:48 AM   #174 
           - I did not call you a racist nor did I even imply it.  Swamp Rat   Apr-23-08 10:57 AM   #175 
              - I think you, too, have some "serious issues with which to deal" too.  MADem   Apr-23-08 11:33 AM   #177 
                 - This thread is about race and the reaction to the OP's daughter's perceptions about race.  Swamp Rat   Apr-23-08 11:43 AM   #178 
                    - No, this thread is about trying to paint Clinton as a racist and using an anecdote about  MADem   Apr-23-08 11:55 AM   #181 
     - harsh tone  Skittles   Apr-23-08 03:41 AM   #109 
     - I also hope you understood the sentiment of noel711's daughter.  Swamp Rat   Apr-23-08 10:34 AM   #171 
     - I thought it was damn near perfect, myself. Refreshingly truthful.  aquart   Apr-23-08 05:55 AM   #127 
        - Dysfunctional behavior negated the quality of the rebuttle... pass the olive branch instead.  Swamp Rat   Apr-23-08 10:40 AM   #173 
  - She'll bounce back.  Beregond2   Apr-22-08 10:45 PM   #32 
  - Ever notice how some Clinton-ers on DU (not the world) go into "Auto-Cruelty" mode?  crankychatter   Apr-22-08 10:45 PM   #33 
  - How hopeful and change-y of you to say that. eom  Hobarticus   Apr-22-08 11:05 PM   #47 
  - I notice that the racists or the voting machines are always blamed when Obama loses It's a theme.NT  MADem   Apr-23-08 12:17 PM   #185 
     - Yup. It is idiotic to think PA, RI, and OH are more racist than WI, VA, and AK  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:27 PM   #192 
  - Betrayed by white people, huh?  Jamastiene   Apr-22-08 10:47 PM   #36 
  - You must love your Hillary, that young lady heard some hard stuff  GetTheRightVote   Apr-22-08 10:52 PM   #41 
  - It's about time some of you idealists start seeing the big picture.  Jamastiene   Apr-23-08 07:59 AM   #149 
  - Spot ON. Well said. NT  MADem   Apr-23-08 12:03 PM   #183 
  - the young will have to suffer the actions of the likes of Bush and Clinton in the furure  bambino   Apr-22-08 10:47 PM   #37 
  - My first campaign was 1984. I busted my ass for Mondale and watched him lose 49 states.  QC   Apr-22-08 10:48 PM   #38 
  - If anything, she was "betrayed" by women.  beat tk   Apr-22-08 10:49 PM   #39 
  - White voters who thought race of candidate was important...  DangerousRhythm   Apr-22-08 11:48 PM   #77 
  - Cheer up! Senator Obama picked up 45% of the PA delegates.  Pushed To The Left   Apr-22-08 10:55 PM   # 
  - This thread is even dumb for GDP  spoony   Apr-22-08 10:55 PM   #42 
  - Tell your daughter I appreciate all her hard work and Obama WILL BE the nominee  zulchzulu   Apr-22-08 10:55 PM   #43 
  - It's OK Obama is still ahead her work real helped she knocked back 15 percent. The media is spinning  cooolandrew   Apr-22-08 10:59 PM   #44 
  - It is because of the combined efforts that it was not a Clinton Blowout  Zachstar   Apr-22-08 11:08 PM   #50 
  - Cheer her up. HRC is still the loser. The math and voter bitterness are against her  Catherina   Apr-22-08 11:08 PM   #51 
  - It's funny because everybody knows it's true, but white folks continue to lie about it.  BlooInBloo   Apr-22-08 11:09 PM   #52 
  - Actually, there are a lot of people voting FOR a woman, not against a black  splat   Apr-22-08 11:13 PM   #53 
  - agreed--check CNN exit polls...  beat tk   Apr-22-08 11:14 PM   #54 
  - That chip on your shoulder is affecting blood flow to your brain  spoony   Apr-22-08 11:16 PM   #57 
  - Chip on my shoulder about something I benefit from? hahaha! DUzy.  BlooInBloo   Apr-22-08 11:21 PM   #62 
     - Do you ever have more than an unfunny subject line?  spoony   Apr-22-08 11:26 PM   #67 
        - Racism is just a figment of everyone's imagination.  Usrename   Apr-22-08 11:52 PM   #79 
           - Your strawman is very sloppily constructed  spoony   Apr-23-08 02:11 AM   #101 
           - Strawman? WTF are you talking about now? Strawman...  Usrename   Apr-23-08 05:11 AM   #115 
              - Poorly executed sarcasm and poorly executed strawmen are not  spoony   Apr-23-08 05:18 AM   #116 
                 - You are trying to put your fantasy world over onto me. It won't work.  Usrename   Apr-23-08 05:46 AM   #121 
                    - Actually, no.  spoony   Apr-23-08 06:10 AM   #132 
                       - Right, racism is just a figment of everyone's imagination.  Usrename   Apr-23-08 06:16 AM   #133 
                          - Yes, full circle, with you making up mouldy strawmen  spoony   Apr-23-08 06:18 AM   #134 
                             - Now you're saying it's moldy too?  Usrename   Apr-23-08 06:31 AM   #138 
           - Obamites fail to grasp the implications of their excuse  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:31 PM   #193 
  - I would never lie about it  sandnsea   Apr-22-08 11:18 PM   #60 
  - Sorry to say, it but I agree, seen to much in my life time.  GetTheRightVote   Apr-22-08 11:26 PM   #66 
  - Isn't that the truth? n/t  FlaGranny   Apr-22-08 11:33 PM   #70 
  - It's going to be okay. Obama could not have reduced a 26 point lead to 10 without her  kwenu   Apr-22-08 11:16 PM   #55 
  - She can come out to Oregon  sandnsea   Apr-22-08 11:16 PM   #58 
  - fucking white people.  MonkeyFunk   Apr-22-08 11:17 PM   #59 
  - only the racists. n/t  yodermon   Apr-23-08 12:01 AM   #84 
  - 62% of them must be racist. They voted for Clinton, after all!  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:32 PM   #194 
  - ...  Jamastiene   Apr-23-08 08:20 AM   #153 
  - "typical"  BigDDem   Apr-23-08 10:37 AM   #172 
  - reality bites  madrchsod   Apr-22-08 11:24 PM   #63 
  - PLease give her our thanks for her work on Obama's campaign  kenny blankenship   Apr-22-08 11:26 PM   #65 
  - Why despair... the door closed on Clinton tonight.  Milo_Bloom   Apr-22-08 11:32 PM   #69 
  - We wanted it to close harder and faster on her. That's all.  JVS   Apr-23-08 06:55 AM   #145 
  - The only devesatted people should be Clnton supporters  Gore1FL   Apr-22-08 11:35 PM   #71 
  - I'm thinking you are speaking the truth.  truedelphi   Apr-23-08 01:25 AM   #89 
  - It's odd how some  FlaGranny   Apr-22-08 11:37 PM   #72 
  - it that was the intention  Skittles   Apr-23-08 03:43 AM   #110 
     - It could have been worded better, yes,  FlaGranny   Apr-23-08 06:30 AM   #137 
  - Share this link with her - NYT Editorial - Fab! Tell her Obama is 10.4% ahead in all polls!  1776Forever   Apr-22-08 11:39 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-08 11:42 PM   #74 
  - LOL! Thanks for dropping by to say hello.  Downtown Hound   Apr-22-08 11:55 PM   #81 
  - This thread is giving the TROLLS a good laugh. See the link  Unrepentant Fenian   Apr-22-08 11:59 PM   #83 
  - Your one post is probably the best description I've seen of DUers  Snarkturian Clone   Apr-23-08 06:26 AM   #135 
  - What is this, an identity-politics race to the bottom?  Ellen Forradalom   Apr-22-08 11:52 PM   #78 
  - Maybe you really can't teach some old dogs new tricks  Ice-9   Apr-23-08 12:21 AM   #86 
  - I don't know how she could have been surprised, Obama told us all  2rth2pwr   Apr-23-08 01:46 AM   #90 
  - "white people?"  Neshanic   Apr-23-08 01:47 AM   #91 
  - "Betrayed by white people?"  RememberWellstone   Apr-23-08 01:51 AM   #92 
  - Read my thread.  backscatter712   Apr-23-08 01:53 AM   #93 
  - tell her to....  ruby slippers   Apr-23-08 01:57 AM   #94 
  - Thanks to people like your daughter, Clinton lost her 20 point lead  billyoc   Apr-23-08 01:59 AM   #95 
  - It's really disheartening to see so many people dismiss someone's feelings so easily.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-23-08 02:01 AM   #97 
  - Looks like West Philly voted for Obama according to this.....  ruby slippers   Apr-23-08 02:03 AM   #98 
  - Obama is still well ahead on the path to the White House  TragedyandHope   Apr-23-08 02:08 AM   #99 
  - Tell her that we won West Philly by 57%  Kristi1696   Apr-23-08 02:18 AM   #105 
  - I don't have enough posts yet to PM you, but  ruby slippers   Apr-23-08 03:45 AM   #111 
  - Phila county TROUNCED Clinton  48percenter   Apr-23-08 02:20 AM   #106 
  - honestly, this is a bunch of nonsense  Skittles   Apr-23-08 03:38 AM   #108 
  - Tell her to look at the big picture...  coyotespaw   Apr-23-08 04:03 AM   #112 
  - I'm white, but...  KillCapitalism   Apr-23-08 04:08 AM   #113 
  - Be Careful...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:45 AM   #120 
  - Racist  Lirwin2   Apr-23-08 04:16 AM   #114 
  - I join you in your concern.  susankh4   Apr-23-08 05:31 AM   #117 
  - I'm concerned about something different and I hate to even say it  Vinca   Apr-23-08 05:45 AM   #119 
  - Obama only loses if that nasty woman cheats.  aquart   Apr-23-08 05:53 AM   #125 
     - I knew exactly what kind of post would follow mine. Mean and nasty.  Vinca   Apr-23-08 05:58 AM   #129 
     - That wasn't "mean and nasty." That IS what you were insinuating.  MADem   Apr-23-08 12:14 PM   #184 
     - Exactly and then they wonder why they are called a cult...  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:34 PM   #195 
  - "Betrayed by white people."  aquart   Apr-23-08 05:51 AM   #123 
  - Ugh, another self-hating white people thread.  Snarkturian Clone   Apr-23-08 06:28 AM   #136 
  - My morgue is like a house tonight  minnesota_liberal   Apr-23-08 06:34 AM   #140 
  - Betrayed by Obama  Maribelle   Apr-23-08 06:40 AM   #143 
  - Wait how did Obama manage to do that? I thought know one in FL even heard of him  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:35 PM   #196 
  - Noel, I just can't believe some of the replies on here, I don't know if they're being obtuse on  SaveAmerica   Apr-23-08 07:05 AM   #146 
  - She must have heard some really racist comments, or seen some really  jmg257   Apr-23-08 07:56 AM   #148 
  - She explains upthread that some people in her neighborhood berated her daughter for  SaveAmerica   Apr-23-08 09:08 AM   #169 
  - OMFG Betrayed by white people?  durrrty libby   Apr-23-08 08:02 AM   #150 
  - Reading Some Of Your Posts I'm Sure You Can Relate "To Immature and Bigoted"  JimGinPA   Apr-23-08 08:18 AM   #152 
  - No I do not relate to you at all or any of the BO BIgots. Never fed my children Kool-Aid  durrrty libby   Apr-23-08 08:44 AM   #156 
  - If I had any children, I would disown them for being so bigoted.  Lirwin2   Apr-23-08 08:28 AM   #154 
     - Wonder what kind of parenting teaches that kind of  Jamastiene   Apr-23-08 08:37 AM   #155 
     - Agree. I sure wouldn't advertise such horrible parenting. Quite shameful  durrrty libby   Apr-23-08 08:46 AM   #157 
  - Oh please....  cricket08   Apr-23-08 08:53 AM   #159 
  - They will learn from us that good can win over evil, but the fight is never easy...  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-23-08 08:55 AM   #160 
  - "She feels betrayed, not by the campaign, but by white people."  BigDDem   Apr-23-08 09:00 AM   #164 
  - There is nothing tougher than being young and idealistic only to have some  NC_Nurse   Apr-23-08 09:01 AM   #165 
  - These vote for Obama or you're a RACIST! threads really should be locked. nt  Romulox   Apr-23-08 09:01 AM   #166 
  - That is not what this thread is about  Zodiak Ironfist   Apr-23-08 11:29 AM   #176 
  - It's about a young person's lack of appreciation of irony, apparently..."betrayed...by white people"  Romulox   Apr-23-08 11:47 AM   #179 
     - You say tomato...  Zodiak Ironfist   Apr-23-08 11:49 AM   #180 
  - Ah, but "The Anointed One" goes by a different set of rules, you see! NT  MADem   Apr-23-08 12:20 PM   #186 
  - There are  CatnHat   Apr-23-08 11:58 AM   #182 
  - When all else fails....play the race card .....AGAIN  BooScout   Apr-23-08 12:27 PM   #187 
  - Well hopefully it will give them strength  demokatgurrl   Apr-23-08 12:31 PM   #188 
  - They'll Learn About Reality n/t  Raejeanowl   Apr-23-08 04:59 PM   #189 
  - Somebody send all these "whites are racist" threads to Ferraro  jackson_dem   Apr-23-08 05:39 PM   #197 
  - this makes what Geraldine Ferraro said extra harmful  darboy   Apr-23-08 05:53 PM   #199 
  - I Support  Anexio   Apr-23-08 08:52 PM   #201 
  - Did I let her down with my Hillary vote?  TK421   Apr-23-08 09:20 PM   #203 
  - I think you did. And my soul needs healing...  prodn2000   Apr-23-08 09:23 PM   #204 
     - You know what? This type of crap has gone COMPLETELY too far!!  TK421   Apr-23-08 09:28 PM   #205 
        - My soul was fine pre-Obamenon...  prodn2000   Apr-23-08 09:35 PM   #206 
           - Oh fuck!!!! He actually WON it? Where the hell have I been?  TK421   Apr-23-08 09:37 PM   #207 
              - Please re-connect your hose to the nitrous oxide.  prodn2000   Apr-23-08 09:40 PM   #208 
                 - I was off my Obama-Aid for a moment....let me take a couple of sips here, wait a sec  TK421   Apr-23-08 09:45 PM   #210 
                    - Oh dear...I think we found our next code words...  prodn2000   Apr-23-08 09:46 PM   #212 
                       - The Aid is grape...I repeat...the Aid is grape!!!  TK421   Apr-23-08 09:49 PM   #213 
                          - Oh no...  prodn2000   Apr-23-08 09:54 PM   #214 
                             - That means a "shit-storm of Biblical proportions is heading your lily white-ass way"!  TK421   Apr-23-08 10:22 PM   #215 
                                - I will prepare with the necessary duct tape and vinyl tarps.  prodn2000   Apr-24-08 10:09 AM   #217 
  - Please understand,  FrenchieCat   Apr-23-08 09:42 PM   #209 
  - She can, and she will.  prodn2000   Apr-23-08 09:45 PM   #211 
  - Noel I hardly know what to say. Is your daughter studying  midnight   Apr-23-08 10:30 PM   #216 
 

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