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Sun Apr-20-08 10:40 AM
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| 57. Except for Clinton's election in '96 The Clinton years were not good ones for electing dems |
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we lost congress, state legislative offices and governorships. Clinton needed Ross Perot to win both times. Many progressive dems lost faith with the Clinton administration dues to things like NAFTA and so-called "Welfare Reform."
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| -It;s been an eye opener to discover how tenuous the Clintons' standing is within the party |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:09 AM |
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That's one of the reasons that most former presidents stay above the fray in primaries. |
JVS |
Apr-20-08 06:12 AM |
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Very true! |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:50 AM |
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I think you're just seeing what you want to see. |
Perry Logan |
Apr-20-08 06:12 AM |
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I notice you're incapable of actually disputing the facts. |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:15 AM |
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I dispute your interpretation of the facts. It's classic "Clintophobe logic." |
Perry Logan |
Apr-20-08 06:32 AM |
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You are correct, Mr. Logan |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-20-08 06:44 AM |
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um, no. I think there's evidence that some people in the party |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:48 AM |
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You'd better get to the other thread where a Hillarite is lamenting the party' conspiracy... |
JVS |
Apr-20-08 07:13 AM |
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A conspiracy" against the clintons! |
zidzi |
Apr-20-08 02:46 PM |
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Right on Perry Logan. Obama supporters like to forget |
yadayadayada |
Apr-20-08 07:32 AM |
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Safe bet that Obama supporters actions will come back to haunt the Party |
guruoo |
Apr-20-08 07:55 AM |
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How? By campaigning on Hope instead of Fear like Hillary and the Repukes? |
BlueCaliDem04 |
Apr-20-08 09:57 AM |
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Sorry, but I don't get hope from his campaign |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 11:06 AM |
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Funny... |
PatGund |
Apr-20-08 12:07 PM |
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That's a pretty broad brush you're swinging there.... |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 12:52 PM |
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I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 01:41 PM |
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Your post is still irrational and wrong regardless of whom you do or don't support |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 01:44 PM |
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You may think so, and that is your right |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 02:03 PM |
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As a former Edwards and now Obama supporter, I know I'm right. |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 02:22 PM |
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And, it's too bad you haven't noticed it |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 06:11 PM |
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Right!! |
DerekJ |
Apr-20-08 01:45 PM |
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You want to spite a few dozen zealots on a msg board |
Obama_for_our_future |
Apr-20-08 01:15 PM |
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I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 01:41 PM |
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you can't count FL and MI |
dano81818 |
Apr-20-08 10:15 AM |
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For being so well liked people sure are ditching them like rats off a sinking ship. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-20-08 08:09 AM |
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Robert Reich is a very intelligent person with a good sense of humor |
psychopomp |
Apr-20-08 10:10 AM |
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it's not that no one ever liked them in the past |
dano81818 |
Apr-20-08 10:13 AM |
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Well said and welcome to DU... |
here_is_to_hope |
Apr-20-08 12:12 PM |
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scaife endorsed hilarity. explain that. Unless you don't think the |
roguevalley |
Apr-20-08 11:56 AM |
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The primary voters apparently didn't like the Clintons so much. |
D23MIURG23 |
Apr-20-08 10:54 PM |
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Your destroy the Clintons campaign has appairently been successful |
guruoo |
Apr-20-08 07:54 AM |
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Did anyone cover Hillary's "Screw 'em" comment this week other than Couric on the CBS Evening News? |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-20-08 10:39 AM |
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Indeed. |
democrank |
Apr-20-08 06:22 AM |
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mind if I...k&r? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-20-08 06:25 AM |
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I'm not so sure their standing was tenuous - they have been putting |
ecdab |
Apr-20-08 06:31 AM |
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Yes, they've certainly acted as their own worst enemies |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:37 AM |
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Yes - I agree. When you consider the IWR and the DLC |
ecdab |
Apr-20-08 08:30 AM |
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Hillary after these upcoming primaries |
dommyluc |
Apr-20-08 06:40 AM |
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Good post, dommyluc |
Oregonian |
Apr-20-08 01:31 PM |
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Bill and Hillary never were the figures within the Democratic party, they were figures within....... |
Exilednight |
Apr-20-08 06:54 AM |
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Must read article in today's NYT about this exact issue |
DemsUnited |
Apr-20-08 07:10 AM |
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Their unbridled ambition regardless of who or what is in the way |
babylonsister |
Apr-20-08 07:16 AM |
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I'll be thrilled to hear her concession speech. |
cali |
Apr-20-08 07:20 AM |
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A political truism: The Clintons are always there when they need you. |
Divernan |
Apr-20-08 08:19 AM |
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She has that hubris that I've seen in Bush |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:53 AM |
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You can count me. |
samdogmom |
Apr-20-08 11:17 AM |
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BARBARA BOXER, hello! |
Tatiana |
Apr-20-08 07:37 AM |
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HRC's deadbeat brother delinquent in child support /alimony payments to Boxer's daughter & grandson |
Divernan |
Apr-20-08 08:44 AM |
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that is really sad |
cryingshame |
Apr-20-08 10:09 AM |
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WOW. What a scumbag! |
NC_Nurse |
Apr-20-08 12:35 PM |
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Why are you posting such crap on this thread, or on DU for that matter? |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 12:59 PM |
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The Clintons thought because he had been president, she was |
Vinca |
Apr-20-08 07:44 AM |
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Howard Dean's low profile on this intrigues me |
Alpharetta |
Apr-20-08 07:53 AM |
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Dean has remained scrupulously unbiased throughout this process |
cali |
Apr-20-08 08:08 AM |
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Apparently even people inside the DNC don't know who he's supporting |
XemaSab |
Apr-20-08 10:43 AM |
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I wouldn't be grinning at her decline if I was Dean - It's bad now and going to get worse. |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-20-08 11:56 AM |
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You "wouldn't be grinning if you were Dean"? |
zidzi |
Apr-20-08 02:55 PM |
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I think he has some reason to be happy too, but |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-20-08 03:15 PM |
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Okay..I see your point. Yeah, I'm |
zidzi |
Apr-20-08 03:42 PM |
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Not a disaster, Cali, unless they're measuring it by their own ruler. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-20-08 08:07 AM |
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This sums up the Clintons: you can only skin a sheep once. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-20-08 08:14 AM |
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Oh wow, great analogy. |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:54 AM |
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evidence mounts daily that the clintons are no more than paid off corrupt politicians |
natrat |
Apr-20-08 08:15 AM |
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It's evident in the way she was the presumed front-runner from the beginning |
EmperorHasNoClothes |
Apr-20-08 08:18 AM |
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it speaks far more of our party than of them |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:07 AM |
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a politicians loyalty should lie with the people of this nation not with |
ecdab |
Apr-20-08 09:24 AM |
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That is so true, wonder why some people don't understand that? |
Jennicut |
Apr-20-08 10:41 AM |
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Interesting. I reached the conclusion that the Clintons were no longer worthy of their loyalty. |
Tatiana |
Apr-20-08 09:30 AM |
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Kennedy is still Senator thanks to Bill and Hillary working their asses off for him in MA in 94 |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:52 AM |
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Ted would have won anyway in '94 |
book_worm |
Apr-20-08 10:46 AM |
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I am not saying he does |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 11:05 AM |
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Kennedy had a 60% approval rating in April 1994 - he was extremely unlikely to lose |
karynnj |
Apr-20-08 11:17 AM |
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The Clintons didn't do much for the party. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 09:42 AM |
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Bradley and Richardson did no such thing |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:50 AM |
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You mean Hillary isn't negative? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 09:54 AM |
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So negative is OK if you think it is true |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:57 AM |
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So do you disagree that Hillary Clinton has run an extraordinarily negative primary campaign? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 10:08 AM |
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in comparision to Obama, no |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 10:36 AM |
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Did Obama say John McCain was more qualified to be President than Hillary? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 10:41 AM |
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no he merely had a surrogate call people to say |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 11:05 AM |
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I musta missed that. How does one white man run a race-baiting campaign vs. another white guy? |
Divernan |
Apr-20-08 11:42 AM |
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You could make that argument if the public Hillary defectors |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:55 AM |
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Because to the Sen. Clinton camp |
PatGund |
Apr-20-08 12:16 PM |
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I have no evidence but |
vssmith |
Apr-20-08 09:20 AM |
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After they lose the primary, they are going to be pariahs. |
nomad1776 |
Apr-20-08 09:28 AM |
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This left-wing movement wants complete destruction of the Clintons |
DemGa |
Apr-20-08 09:47 AM |
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I Oppose Her Militarism, But I Have Voted For Her As Senator And Will Again |
DrFunkenstein |
Apr-20-08 09:54 AM |
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Hmm, so you are saying the left wing and |
here_is_to_hope |
Apr-20-08 12:14 PM |
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Yes, that's right |
DemGa |
Apr-20-08 12:42 PM |
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I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation but... |
kentuck |
Apr-20-08 09:52 AM |
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Hopefully, the Clintons will be regarded as a rightwing anomaly in a center-left party. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-20-08 09:53 AM |
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How can any Democrat not be furious about the Clenis, that one eyed monster |
rosebud57 |
Apr-20-08 09:58 AM |
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Great post, cali. |
No Surrender |
Apr-20-08 10:02 AM |
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the fruits of "me first, you, maybe never" triangulation |
dano81818 |
Apr-20-08 10:11 AM |
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Except for Clinton's election in '96 The Clinton years were not good ones for electing dems |
book_worm |
Apr-20-08 10:40 AM |
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Well, my feelings actually ran pretty deep |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:49 AM |
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They've run the party as their own little Manor house |
XemaSab |
Apr-20-08 10:52 AM |
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I think this has surprised almost everyone |
realpolitik |
Apr-20-08 11:17 AM |
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It's been a real eye opener to discover just how spiteful, vicious & megalomaniacal the Clintons are |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-20-08 11:44 AM |
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Excellent analysis and I think you're right on the money. |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 01:02 PM |
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I think there's a tipping effect at work. |
Ice-9 |
Apr-20-08 01:10 PM |
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I think you have hit this nail perfectly. Kicked! |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-08 01:17 PM |
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I think this has shown the complete opposite... people have tolerated so much malicious crap from |
Levgreee |
Apr-20-08 01:47 PM |
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lol funny shit |
durrrty libby |
Apr-20-08 10:04 PM |
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