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| -It;s been an eye opener to discover how tenuous the Clintons' standing is within the party |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:09 AM |
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That's one of the reasons that most former presidents stay above the fray in primaries. |
JVS |
Apr-20-08 06:12 AM |
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Very true! |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:50 AM |
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I think you're just seeing what you want to see. |
Perry Logan |
Apr-20-08 06:12 AM |
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I notice you're incapable of actually disputing the facts. |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:15 AM |
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I dispute your interpretation of the facts. It's classic "Clintophobe logic." |
Perry Logan |
Apr-20-08 06:32 AM |
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You are correct, Mr. Logan |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-20-08 06:44 AM |
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um, no. I think there's evidence that some people in the party |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:48 AM |
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You'd better get to the other thread where a Hillarite is lamenting the party' conspiracy... |
JVS |
Apr-20-08 07:13 AM |
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A conspiracy" against the clintons! |
zidzi |
Apr-20-08 02:46 PM |
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Right on Perry Logan. Obama supporters like to forget |
yadayadayada |
Apr-20-08 07:32 AM |
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Safe bet that Obama supporters actions will come back to haunt the Party |
guruoo |
Apr-20-08 07:55 AM |
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How? By campaigning on Hope instead of Fear like Hillary and the Repukes? |
BlueCaliDem04 |
Apr-20-08 09:57 AM |
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Sorry, but I don't get hope from his campaign |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 11:06 AM |
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Funny... |
PatGund |
Apr-20-08 12:07 PM |
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That's a pretty broad brush you're swinging there.... |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 12:52 PM |
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I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 01:41 PM |
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Your post is still irrational and wrong regardless of whom you do or don't support |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 01:44 PM |
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You may think so, and that is your right |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 02:03 PM |
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As a former Edwards and now Obama supporter, I know I'm right. |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 02:22 PM |
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And, it's too bad you haven't noticed it |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 06:11 PM |
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Right!! |
DerekJ |
Apr-20-08 01:45 PM |
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You want to spite a few dozen zealots on a msg board |
Obama_for_our_future |
Apr-20-08 01:15 PM |
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I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t |
zalinda |
Apr-20-08 01:41 PM |
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you can't count FL and MI |
dano81818 |
Apr-20-08 10:15 AM |
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For being so well liked people sure are ditching them like rats off a sinking ship. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-20-08 08:09 AM |
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Robert Reich is a very intelligent person with a good sense of humor |
psychopomp |
Apr-20-08 10:10 AM |
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it's not that no one ever liked them in the past |
dano81818 |
Apr-20-08 10:13 AM |
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Well said and welcome to DU... |
here_is_to_hope |
Apr-20-08 12:12 PM |
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scaife endorsed hilarity. explain that. Unless you don't think the |
roguevalley |
Apr-20-08 11:56 AM |
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The primary voters apparently didn't like the Clintons so much. |
D23MIURG23 |
Apr-20-08 10:54 PM |
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Your destroy the Clintons campaign has appairently been successful |
guruoo |
Apr-20-08 07:54 AM |
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Did anyone cover Hillary's "Screw 'em" comment this week other than Couric on the CBS Evening News? |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-20-08 10:39 AM |
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Indeed. |
democrank |
Apr-20-08 06:22 AM |
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mind if I...k&r? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-20-08 06:25 AM |
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I'm not so sure their standing was tenuous - they have been putting |
ecdab |
Apr-20-08 06:31 AM |
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Yes, they've certainly acted as their own worst enemies |
cali |
Apr-20-08 06:37 AM |
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Yes - I agree. When you consider the IWR and the DLC |
ecdab |
Apr-20-08 08:30 AM |
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Hillary after these upcoming primaries |
dommyluc |
Apr-20-08 06:40 AM |
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Good post, dommyluc |
Oregonian |
Apr-20-08 01:31 PM |
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Bill and Hillary never were the figures within the Democratic party, they were figures within....... |
Exilednight |
Apr-20-08 06:54 AM |
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Must read article in today's NYT about this exact issue |
DemsUnited |
Apr-20-08 07:10 AM |
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Their unbridled ambition regardless of who or what is in the way |
babylonsister |
Apr-20-08 07:16 AM |
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I'll be thrilled to hear her concession speech. |
cali |
Apr-20-08 07:20 AM |
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A political truism: The Clintons are always there when they need you. |
Divernan |
Apr-20-08 08:19 AM |
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She has that hubris that I've seen in Bush |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:53 AM |
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You can count me. |
samdogmom |
Apr-20-08 11:17 AM |
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BARBARA BOXER, hello! |
Tatiana |
Apr-20-08 07:37 AM |
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HRC's deadbeat brother delinquent in child support /alimony payments to Boxer's daughter & grandson |
Divernan |
Apr-20-08 08:44 AM |
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that is really sad |
cryingshame |
Apr-20-08 10:09 AM |
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WOW. What a scumbag! |
NC_Nurse |
Apr-20-08 12:35 PM |
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Why are you posting such crap on this thread, or on DU for that matter? |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 12:59 PM |
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The Clintons thought because he had been president, she was |
Vinca |
Apr-20-08 07:44 AM |
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Howard Dean's low profile on this intrigues me |
Alpharetta |
Apr-20-08 07:53 AM |
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Dean has remained scrupulously unbiased throughout this process |
cali |
Apr-20-08 08:08 AM |
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Apparently even people inside the DNC don't know who he's supporting |
XemaSab |
Apr-20-08 10:43 AM |
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I wouldn't be grinning at her decline if I was Dean - It's bad now and going to get worse. |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-20-08 11:56 AM |
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You "wouldn't be grinning if you were Dean"? |
zidzi |
Apr-20-08 02:55 PM |
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I think he has some reason to be happy too, but |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-20-08 03:15 PM |
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Okay..I see your point. Yeah, I'm |
zidzi |
Apr-20-08 03:42 PM |
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Not a disaster, Cali, unless they're measuring it by their own ruler. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-20-08 08:07 AM |
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This sums up the Clintons: you can only skin a sheep once. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-20-08 08:14 AM |
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Oh wow, great analogy. |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:54 AM |
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evidence mounts daily that the clintons are no more than paid off corrupt politicians |
natrat |
Apr-20-08 08:15 AM |
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It's evident in the way she was the presumed front-runner from the beginning |
EmperorHasNoClothes |
Apr-20-08 08:18 AM |
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it speaks far more of our party than of them |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:07 AM |
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a politicians loyalty should lie with the people of this nation not with |
ecdab |
Apr-20-08 09:24 AM |
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That is so true, wonder why some people don't understand that? |
Jennicut |
Apr-20-08 10:41 AM |
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Interesting. I reached the conclusion that the Clintons were no longer worthy of their loyalty. |
Tatiana |
Apr-20-08 09:30 AM |
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Kennedy is still Senator thanks to Bill and Hillary working their asses off for him in MA in 94 |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:52 AM |
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Ted would have won anyway in '94 |
book_worm |
Apr-20-08 10:46 AM |
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I am not saying he does |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 11:05 AM |
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Kennedy had a 60% approval rating in April 1994 - he was extremely unlikely to lose |
karynnj |
Apr-20-08 11:17 AM |
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The Clintons didn't do much for the party. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 09:42 AM |
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Bradley and Richardson did no such thing |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:50 AM |
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You mean Hillary isn't negative? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 09:54 AM |
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So negative is OK if you think it is true |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 09:57 AM |
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So do you disagree that Hillary Clinton has run an extraordinarily negative primary campaign? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 10:08 AM |
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in comparision to Obama, no |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 10:36 AM |
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Did Obama say John McCain was more qualified to be President than Hillary? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-20-08 10:41 AM |
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no he merely had a surrogate call people to say |
dsc |
Apr-20-08 11:05 AM |
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I musta missed that. How does one white man run a race-baiting campaign vs. another white guy? |
Divernan |
Apr-20-08 11:42 AM |
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You could make that argument if the public Hillary defectors |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:55 AM |
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Because to the Sen. Clinton camp |
PatGund |
Apr-20-08 12:16 PM |
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I have no evidence but |
vssmith |
Apr-20-08 09:20 AM |
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After they lose the primary, they are going to be pariahs. |
nomad1776 |
Apr-20-08 09:28 AM |
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This left-wing movement wants complete destruction of the Clintons |
DemGa |
Apr-20-08 09:47 AM |
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I Oppose Her Militarism, But I Have Voted For Her As Senator And Will Again |
DrFunkenstein |
Apr-20-08 09:54 AM |
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Hmm, so you are saying the left wing and |
here_is_to_hope |
Apr-20-08 12:14 PM |
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Yes, that's right |
DemGa |
Apr-20-08 12:42 PM |
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I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation but... |
kentuck |
Apr-20-08 09:52 AM |
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Hopefully, the Clintons will be regarded as a rightwing anomaly in a center-left party. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-20-08 09:53 AM |
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How can any Democrat not be furious about the Clenis, that one eyed monster |
rosebud57 |
Apr-20-08 09:58 AM |
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Great post, cali. |
No Surrender |
Apr-20-08 10:02 AM |
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the fruits of "me first, you, maybe never" triangulation |
dano81818 |
Apr-20-08 10:11 AM |
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Except for Clinton's election in '96 The Clinton years were not good ones for electing dems |
book_worm |
Apr-20-08 10:40 AM |
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Well, my feelings actually ran pretty deep |
Erin Elizabeth |
Apr-20-08 10:49 AM |
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They've run the party as their own little Manor house |
XemaSab |
Apr-20-08 10:52 AM |
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I think this has surprised almost everyone |
realpolitik |
Apr-20-08 11:17 AM |
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It's been a real eye opener to discover just how spiteful, vicious & megalomaniacal the Clintons are |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-20-08 11:44 AM |
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Excellent analysis and I think you're right on the money. |
Melinda |
Apr-20-08 01:02 PM |
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I think there's a tipping effect at work. |
Ice-9 |
Apr-20-08 01:10 PM |
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I think you have hit this nail perfectly. Kicked! |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-08 01:17 PM |
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I think this has shown the complete opposite... people have tolerated so much malicious crap from |
Levgreee |
Apr-20-08 01:47 PM |
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lol funny shit |
durrrty libby |
Apr-20-08 10:04 PM |
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