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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:12 AM
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1. That's one of the reasons that most former presidents stay above the fray in primaries.
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 06:13 AM by JVS
They've got legacies to think of.
They might endorse, but they generally don't get down into the mud.
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  -It;s been an eye opener to discover how tenuous the Clintons' standing is within the party cali  Apr-20-08 06:09 AM   #0 
  - That's one of the reasons that most former presidents stay above the fray in primaries.  JVS   Apr-20-08 06:12 AM   #1 
  - Very true!  Erin Elizabeth   Apr-20-08 10:50 AM   #63 
  - I think you're just seeing what you want to see.  Perry Logan   Apr-20-08 06:12 AM   #2 
  - I notice you're incapable of actually disputing the facts.  cali   Apr-20-08 06:15 AM   #3 
     - I dispute your interpretation of the facts. It's classic "Clintophobe logic."  Perry Logan   Apr-20-08 06:32 AM   #7 
     - You are correct, Mr. Logan  MonkeyFunk   Apr-20-08 06:44 AM   #10 
     - um, no. I think there's evidence that some people in the party  cali   Apr-20-08 06:48 AM   #11 
     - You'd better get to the other thread where a Hillarite is lamenting the party' conspiracy...  JVS   Apr-20-08 07:13 AM   #14 
     - A conspiracy" against the clintons!  zidzi   Apr-20-08 02:46 PM   #98 
     - Right on Perry Logan. Obama supporters like to forget  yadayadayada   Apr-20-08 07:32 AM   #17 
     - Safe bet that Obama supporters actions will come back to haunt the Party  guruoo   Apr-20-08 07:55 AM   #22 
     - How? By campaigning on Hope instead of Fear like Hillary and the Repukes?  BlueCaliDem04   Apr-20-08 09:57 AM   #45 
        - Sorry, but I don't get hope from his campaign  zalinda   Apr-20-08 11:06 AM   #70 
           - Funny...  PatGund   Apr-20-08 12:07 PM   #78 
           - That's a pretty broad brush you're swinging there....  Melinda   Apr-20-08 12:52 PM   #84 
           - I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t  zalinda   Apr-20-08 01:41 PM   #91 
              - Your post is still irrational and wrong regardless of whom you do or don't support  Melinda   Apr-20-08 01:44 PM   #93 
              - You may think so, and that is your right  zalinda   Apr-20-08 02:03 PM   #96 
                 - As a former Edwards and now Obama supporter, I know I'm right.  Melinda   Apr-20-08 02:22 PM   #97 
                    - And, it's too bad you haven't noticed it  zalinda   Apr-20-08 06:11 PM   #102 
              - Right!!  DerekJ   Apr-20-08 01:45 PM   #94 
           - You want to spite a few dozen zealots on a msg board  Obama_for_our_future   Apr-20-08 01:15 PM   #88 
              - I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t  zalinda   Apr-20-08 01:41 PM   #92 
     - you can't count FL and MI  dano81818   Apr-20-08 10:15 AM   #54 
     - For being so well liked people sure are ditching them like rats off a sinking ship.  Political Heretic   Apr-20-08 08:09 AM   #25 
     - Robert Reich is a very intelligent person with a good sense of humor  psychopomp   Apr-20-08 10:10 AM   #51 
     - it's not that no one ever liked them in the past  dano81818   Apr-20-08 10:13 AM   #53 
     - Well said and welcome to DU...  here_is_to_hope   Apr-20-08 12:12 PM   #79 
     - scaife endorsed hilarity. explain that. Unless you don't think the  roguevalley   Apr-20-08 11:56 AM   #77 
     - The primary voters apparently didn't like the Clintons so much.  D23MIURG23   Apr-20-08 10:54 PM   #104 
     - Your destroy the Clintons campaign has appairently been successful  guruoo   Apr-20-08 07:54 AM   #21 
     - Did anyone cover Hillary's "Screw 'em" comment this week other than Couric on the CBS Evening News?  flpoljunkie   Apr-20-08 10:39 AM   #56 
  - Indeed.  democrank   Apr-20-08 06:22 AM   #4 
  - mind if I...k&r?  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-20-08 06:25 AM   #5 
  - I'm not so sure their standing was tenuous - they have been putting  ecdab   Apr-20-08 06:31 AM   #6 
  - Yes, they've certainly acted as their own worst enemies  cali   Apr-20-08 06:37 AM   #8 
     - Yes - I agree. When you consider the IWR and the DLC  ecdab   Apr-20-08 08:30 AM   #30 
  - Hillary after these upcoming primaries  dommyluc   Apr-20-08 06:40 AM   #9 
  - Good post, dommyluc  Oregonian   Apr-20-08 01:31 PM   #90 
  - Bill and Hillary never were the figures within the Democratic party, they were figures within.......  Exilednight   Apr-20-08 06:54 AM   #12 
  - Must read article in today's NYT about this exact issue  DemsUnited   Apr-20-08 07:10 AM   #13 
  - Their unbridled ambition regardless of who or what is in the way  babylonsister   Apr-20-08 07:16 AM   #15 
  - I'll be thrilled to hear her concession speech.  cali   Apr-20-08 07:20 AM   #16 
  - A political truism: The Clintons are always there when they need you.  Divernan   Apr-20-08 08:19 AM   #29 
  - She has that hubris that I've seen in Bush  Erin Elizabeth   Apr-20-08 10:53 AM   #65 
  - You can count me.  samdogmom   Apr-20-08 11:17 AM   #72 
  - BARBARA BOXER, hello!  Tatiana   Apr-20-08 07:37 AM   #18 
  - HRC's deadbeat brother delinquent in child support /alimony payments to Boxer's daughter & grandson  Divernan   Apr-20-08 08:44 AM   #31 
     - that is really sad  cryingshame   Apr-20-08 10:09 AM   #50 
     - WOW. What a scumbag!  NC_Nurse   Apr-20-08 12:35 PM   #82 
     - Why are you posting such crap on this thread, or on DU for that matter?  Melinda   Apr-20-08 12:59 PM   #85 
  - The Clintons thought because he had been president, she was  Vinca   Apr-20-08 07:44 AM   #19 
  - Howard Dean's low profile on this intrigues me  Alpharetta   Apr-20-08 07:53 AM   #20 
  - Dean has remained scrupulously unbiased throughout this process  cali   Apr-20-08 08:08 AM   #24 
  - Apparently even people inside the DNC don't know who he's supporting  XemaSab   Apr-20-08 10:43 AM   #60 
  - I wouldn't be grinning at her decline if I was Dean - It's bad now and going to get worse.  kenny blankenship   Apr-20-08 11:56 AM   #76 
     - You "wouldn't be grinning if you were Dean"?  zidzi   Apr-20-08 02:55 PM   #99 
        - I think he has some reason to be happy too, but  kenny blankenship   Apr-20-08 03:15 PM   #100 
           - Okay..I see your point. Yeah, I'm  zidzi   Apr-20-08 03:42 PM   #101 
  - Not a disaster, Cali, unless they're measuring it by their own ruler.  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-20-08 08:07 AM   #23 
  - This sums up the Clintons: you can only skin a sheep once.  Political Heretic   Apr-20-08 08:14 AM   #26 
  - Oh wow, great analogy.  Erin Elizabeth   Apr-20-08 10:54 AM   #66 
  - evidence mounts daily that the clintons are no more than paid off corrupt politicians  natrat   Apr-20-08 08:15 AM   #27 
  - It's evident in the way she was the presumed front-runner from the beginning  EmperorHasNoClothes   Apr-20-08 08:18 AM   #28 
  - it speaks far more of our party than of them  dsc   Apr-20-08 09:07 AM   #32 
  - a politicians loyalty should lie with the people of this nation not with  ecdab   Apr-20-08 09:24 AM   #34 
  - That is so true, wonder why some people don't understand that?  Jennicut   Apr-20-08 10:41 AM   #59 
  - Interesting. I reached the conclusion that the Clintons were no longer worthy of their loyalty.  Tatiana   Apr-20-08 09:30 AM   #36 
  - Kennedy is still Senator thanks to Bill and Hillary working their asses off for him in MA in 94  dsc   Apr-20-08 09:52 AM   #41 
     - Ted would have won anyway in '94  book_worm   Apr-20-08 10:46 AM   #61 
     - I am not saying he does  dsc   Apr-20-08 11:05 AM   #69 
     - Kennedy had a 60% approval rating in April 1994 - he was extremely unlikely to lose  karynnj   Apr-20-08 11:17 AM   #71 
  - The Clintons didn't do much for the party.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-20-08 09:42 AM   #37 
  - Bradley and Richardson did no such thing  dsc   Apr-20-08 09:50 AM   #39 
     - You mean Hillary isn't negative?  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-20-08 09:54 AM   #43 
     - So negative is OK if you think it is true  dsc   Apr-20-08 09:57 AM   #46 
        - So do you disagree that Hillary Clinton has run an extraordinarily negative primary campaign?  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-20-08 10:08 AM   #49 
           - in comparision to Obama, no  dsc   Apr-20-08 10:36 AM   #55 
              - Did Obama say John McCain was more qualified to be President than Hillary?  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-20-08 10:41 AM   #58 
                 - no he merely had a surrogate call people to say  dsc   Apr-20-08 11:05 AM   #68 
     - I musta missed that. How does one white man run a race-baiting campaign vs. another white guy?  Divernan   Apr-20-08 11:42 AM   #74 
  - You could make that argument if the public Hillary defectors  Erin Elizabeth   Apr-20-08 10:55 AM   #67 
     - Because to the Sen. Clinton camp  PatGund   Apr-20-08 12:16 PM   #81 
  - I have no evidence but  vssmith   Apr-20-08 09:20 AM   #33 
  - After they lose the primary, they are going to be pariahs.  nomad1776   Apr-20-08 09:28 AM   #35 
  - This left-wing movement wants complete destruction of the Clintons  DemGa   Apr-20-08 09:47 AM   #38 
  - I Oppose Her Militarism, But I Have Voted For Her As Senator And Will Again  DrFunkenstein   Apr-20-08 09:54 AM   #44 
  - Hmm, so you are saying the left wing and  here_is_to_hope   Apr-20-08 12:14 PM   #80 
     - Yes, that's right  DemGa   Apr-20-08 12:42 PM   #83 
  - I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation but...  kentuck   Apr-20-08 09:52 AM   #40 
  - Hopefully, the Clintons will be regarded as a rightwing anomaly in a center-left party.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-20-08 09:53 AM   #42 
  - How can any Democrat not be furious about the Clenis, that one eyed monster  rosebud57   Apr-20-08 09:58 AM   #47 
  - Great post, cali.  No Surrender   Apr-20-08 10:02 AM   #48 
  - the fruits of "me first, you, maybe never" triangulation  dano81818   Apr-20-08 10:11 AM   #52 
  - Except for Clinton's election in '96 The Clinton years were not good ones for electing dems  book_worm   Apr-20-08 10:40 AM   #57 
  - Well, my feelings actually ran pretty deep  Erin Elizabeth   Apr-20-08 10:49 AM   #62 
  - They've run the party as their own little Manor house  XemaSab   Apr-20-08 10:52 AM   #64 
  - I think this has surprised almost everyone  realpolitik   Apr-20-08 11:17 AM   #73 
  - It's been a real eye opener to discover just how spiteful, vicious & megalomaniacal the Clintons are  kenny blankenship   Apr-20-08 11:44 AM   #75 
  - Excellent analysis and I think you're right on the money.  Melinda   Apr-20-08 01:02 PM   #86 
  - I think there's a tipping effect at work.  Ice-9   Apr-20-08 01:10 PM   #87 
  - I think you have hit this nail perfectly. Kicked!  cliffordu   Apr-20-08 01:17 PM   #89 
  - I think this has shown the complete opposite... people have tolerated so much malicious crap from  Levgreee   Apr-20-08 01:47 PM   #95 
  - lol funny shit  durrrty libby   Apr-20-08 10:04 PM   #103 
 

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