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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 01:21 PM
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74. I didn't mean to imply that I thought she did.
I just thought that in light of the point of Ayers being raised, it was a fair counter-point that a couple of WU members had been pardoned by Bill.

More of an illustration that former WU members were capable of rehabilitation and using Bill's pardons as evidence of that than blaming Hillary, IMO.

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  -Krugman took Obama to school. Wow! kerrybama08  Apr-18-08 11:14 AM   #0 
  - The Dem PARTY has acknowledged Obama's statement as fact for the last two decades.  blm   Apr-18-08 11:18 AM   #1 
  - I recall no such Dem PARTY position - indeed the opposite is the party position - Obama lied  papau   Apr-18-08 11:22 AM   #8 
  - Dem lawmakers have recognized that the GOP uses demagogued issues to betray working class for  blm   Apr-18-08 11:52 AM   #43 
  - I have indeed noted voting against economic interests - but is Obama correct that Clinton sucked? NO  papau   Apr-18-08 02:50 PM   #105 
     - The economy would be a million times better today if BCCI matters hadn't been deep-sixed by Clinton.  blm   Apr-18-08 03:48 PM   #119 
     - "sucked"... perhaps not. But Clinton policies *were* a coninuation of Conservative policies ...  krkaufman   Apr-19-08 02:12 PM   #148 
     - NAFTA certainly did...  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 02:23 PM   #149 
  - Obama deceived by attacking the Clinton economy  JoFerret   Apr-18-08 02:27 PM   #102 
  - When Krugman supported Dean he had no problem with "God, Guns, Gays". Krugman went LOOKING  cryingshame   Apr-18-08 11:36 AM   #24 
     - What does that have to do with health care reform?  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 01:26 PM   #79 
     - The problem is deciding when he was wrong.  igil   Apr-18-08 03:16 PM   #115 
  - Like mothers cling to their children...  kentuck   Apr-18-08 11:19 AM   #2 
  - I disagree  Two Americas   Apr-18-08 03:15 PM   #114 
  - K & R! Welcome to DU.  AX10   Apr-18-08 11:20 AM   #3 
  - And Robert Reich will endorse Obama this afternoon. NT  NYCGirl   Apr-18-08 11:20 AM   #4 
  - Reich endorsed obama months ago. It was in all the news.  juajen   Apr-18-08 11:38 AM   #28 
     - It's like those people who get saved all over again every time  QC   Apr-18-08 11:42 AM   #35 
     - Clintons did the same with a Kathleen Kennedy redux - after Ted endorsed Obama.  blm   Apr-18-08 12:09 PM   #49 
     - then why did Reich say he did not endorse anyone until today???  LSK   Apr-18-08 04:21 PM   #129 
     - He preferred his health plan...  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 03:22 PM   #152 
  - I'll take Reich over Krugman anyday!! n/t  tokenlib   Apr-18-08 11:20 AM   #5 
  - Obama doesn't like Reich?  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 01:29 PM   #80 
  - They are both excellent economists  JoFerret   Apr-19-08 01:25 PM   #144 
  - Good article. I have one comment though - Bill Clinton's economy benefitted greatly from  cyberpj   Apr-18-08 11:21 AM   #6 
  - Not only did Clinton-era economy boom from Tech Bubble, the Nafta/Glass-Steagall repeal  cryingshame   Apr-18-08 11:31 AM   #20 
  - Bingo!  kentuck   Apr-18-08 01:10 PM   #69 
  - True. Clinton's greatest move then...  damonm   Apr-18-08 03:53 PM   #122 
  - "blurring the distinction between Clinton-era prosperity and Bush-era economic distress"...  BlooInBloo   Apr-18-08 11:22 AM   #7 
  - Obama wants GOP love - as his campaign says - his current statements are just for the campaign  papau   Apr-18-08 11:23 AM   #10 
  - lol - um, no. He's running against Clinton in the primary is all...  BlooInBloo   Apr-18-08 11:24 AM   #11 
  - Sorry, but Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, signed Nafta and empowered China. It's time  cryingshame   Apr-18-08 11:37 AM   #26 
  - Glass-Steagall was "repealed" via waivers that began under Reagan - and it was  papau   Apr-18-08 11:46 AM   #38 
  - NAFTA was passed during GHWB's term. Bill had nothing to do  juajen   Apr-18-08 11:48 AM   #42 
  - Do you expect anyone to pay attention to what you just said?  LisaM   Apr-18-08 12:16 PM   #51 
  - Considering how wrong it is? No.  redqueen   Apr-18-08 12:35 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-08 12:35 PM   #59 
  - and after intense White House lobbying  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 02:55 PM   #107 
     - Not to mention the objections of Dems in both houses of Congress.  redqueen   Apr-18-08 02:57 PM   #109 
  - HAHAH...then WHY did Bill set up a War Room for NAFTA if he didn't wage a battle to pass it?  blm   Apr-18-08 01:03 PM   #65 
  - Congress had to pass NAFTA  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 01:34 PM   #83 
  - Wiki supports what you said:  spooky3   Apr-18-08 08:51 PM   #136 
  - not true...  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 02:33 PM   #151 
  - Stupid....  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 02:28 PM   #150 
  - Nixon empowered China  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 01:31 PM   #81 
  - When did Obama do that?  Radical Activist   Apr-18-08 11:42 AM   #34 
  - You didn't hear how he just gushed over the Gulf War?  LisaM   Apr-18-08 12:41 PM   #63 
     - The gulf war? The claim was about the economy.  Radical Activist   Apr-18-08 01:32 PM   #82 
  - "Reagan good/Clinton bad" is just part of Obama's "bring us together" strategy.  oasis   Apr-18-08 09:40 PM   #139 
  - Oh, so an Op-Ed columnist has an opinion -- I'll alert the media.  AtomicKitten   Apr-18-08 11:22 AM   #9 
  - kerrybama08,??? is this post in support of Obama?  The Wielding Truth   Apr-18-08 11:25 AM   #12 
  - would knowing the distinction affect what you would say?  Mezzo   Apr-18-08 01:09 PM   #68 
  - I'm so  golddigger   Apr-18-08 03:42 PM   #117 
     - To me the article seems so bias against Obama, but the name  The Wielding Truth   Apr-19-08 01:51 PM   #145 
  - I always enjoy reading Paul Krugman...however  DAGDA56   Apr-18-08 11:26 AM   #13 
  - I'm confused and maybe you can help me out.  merh   Apr-18-08 12:21 PM   #55 
  - A substantive response to that from William Greider in 2000  Armstead   Apr-18-08 11:26 AM   #14 
  - Krugman apparently doesn't know what a Wedge Issue is. Funny, he didn't mind Dean saying God Guns  cryingshame   Apr-18-08 11:28 AM   #15 
  - He didn't endorse Howard Dean  dsc   Apr-18-08 11:37 AM   #25 
     - He wrote quite a few columns making it plain he preferred Dean. Just as he has written quite a few  cryingshame   Apr-18-08 11:43 AM   #37 
  - Krugman has been "taking Obama to school" for months now, but  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-18-08 11:28 AM   #16 
  - not as of today  grasswire   Apr-18-08 11:41 AM   #33 
  - I'm talking about the numbers that matter, delegates  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-18-08 12:57 PM   #64 
  - Krugman has been shilling for Clinton  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 12:23 PM   #57 
     - It's so obvious. He's getting increasingly petulant.  thecatburgler   Apr-18-08 01:19 PM   #72 
  - Krugman's column today is a keeper  Jim4Wes   Apr-18-08 11:29 AM   #17 
  - Why? Krugman seems totally ignorant of Wedge Issues. Just because your girl is too fucking stupidc  cryingshame   Apr-18-08 11:40 AM   #30 
     - If you disagree with the research in the article  Jim4Wes   Apr-18-08 12:21 PM   # 
        - Why did Krugman fail to mention the growing disparity between the rich and poor in the 90s?  thecatburgler   Apr-18-08 01:20 PM   #73 
        - may I humbly suggest posts #53 and #84?  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 01:54 PM   #91 
        - I'm sure things are much worse now....  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 03:31 PM   #157 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-08 11:30 AM   #18 
  - Krugman is either just shilling for HRC or an idiot or both  DefenseLawyer   Apr-18-08 11:31 AM   #19 
  - I think people understand full well how Obama covered himself  DemGa   Apr-18-08 11:33 AM   #22 
  - No, I think Hillary supporters want to win at any cost  DefenseLawyer   Apr-18-08 11:37 AM   #27 
  - Remember the flag lapel pin question?  Zodiak Ironfist   Apr-18-08 04:23 PM   #130 
  - Obama had to lie his ass off on this one  DemGa   Apr-18-08 11:31 AM   #21 
  - Condemning...  americanstranger   Apr-18-08 11:40 AM   #31 
  - It says a lot about Obama  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 02:13 PM   #95 
  - Capital flooded the market due to low interest rates. Just like capital flooded the  Skwmom   Apr-18-08 11:36 AM   #23 
  - Welcome to DU  thevoiceofreason   Apr-18-08 11:39 AM   #29 
  - Krugman is stetching the truth and is out of touch with the real world in rural America.  Radical Activist   Apr-18-08 11:40 AM   #32 
  - Well done.  redqueen   Apr-18-08 11:42 AM   #36 
  - I predict: Krugman on Reich....  americanstranger   Apr-18-08 11:48 AM   #40 
     - Reich was responsible  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 02:15 PM   #97 
        - Reich also disagreed with Clinton over many policies.  Radical Activist   Apr-18-08 02:26 PM   #101 
        - what would that have to do...  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 03:26 PM   #154 
  - you made my point- chicago  mopinko   Apr-18-08 11:48 AM   #41 
  - Krugman is really playing into the clueless east coast ivory tower elitist stereotype.  Radical Activist   Apr-18-08 01:48 PM   #88 
  - I live in the rural northwest and I find his comments to be on the money.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 01:16 PM   #70 
     - The Northwest isn't the Midwest  Radical Activist   Apr-18-08 01:47 PM   #85 
        - Indeed it is not. The midwest is now home to Boeing. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 02:04 PM   #93 
           - Yes, in Chicago. Is Chicago rural to you? You make my point for me.  Radical Activist   Apr-18-08 02:24 PM   #100 
  - NAFTA and China MFN have made thousands of jobs leave the US  zulchzulu   Apr-18-08 11:46 AM   #39 
  - As usual, total bullshit!  juajen   Apr-18-08 12:12 PM   #50 
  - Like you'd know?  redqueen   Apr-18-08 12:36 PM   #61 
  - How can you possibly say that?  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 03:28 PM   #155 
  - He was originally hired at the NY Times  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 12:21 PM   #56 
  - Obama has made many anti-Clinton adminstration comments  LisaM   Apr-18-08 11:54 AM   #44 
  - Why in the world should she be allowed to take credit?  americanstranger   Apr-18-08 11:57 AM   #46 
  - Then she likewise shouldn't be blamed for anything  LisaM   Apr-18-08 11:59 AM   #47 
     - I think it was fair to point that out.  americanstranger   Apr-18-08 12:17 PM   #52 
        - The one thing I think she was NOT involved in at all was the pardons  LisaM   Apr-18-08 12:25 PM   #58 
           - I didn't mean to imply that I thought she did.  americanstranger   Apr-18-08 01:21 PM   #74 
  - Then she should stop running on her husband's record  thecatburgler   Apr-18-08 01:22 PM   #76 
  - Krugman is an elitist. nt  thereismore   Apr-18-08 11:56 AM   #45 
  - Selective statistics.  Orsino   Apr-18-08 12:02 PM   #48 
  - Krugman maybe still hopes to be in a Clinton administration  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 12:17 PM   #53 
  - You seem to be disputing some other article. nt  Jim4Wes   Apr-18-08 02:29 PM   #103 
  - Criticizing Krugman for intellectual dishonesty?  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 02:55 PM   #108 
     - because Obama said "in the last 25 years"  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 03:33 PM   #116 
        - Yes, that's what he said. It is apparent he sees little to recommend the Democrat of that timeframe.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 03:50 PM   #120 
           - the last 25 years includes 17 years of Republican administrations  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 04:12 PM   #124 
  - Krugman is good, but he isn't always right  nichomachus   Apr-18-08 12:19 PM   #54 
  - He's using averages for the entire nation, not small towns.  anonymous171   Apr-18-08 12:36 PM   #62 
  - That was excellent. Krugman is brilliant.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 01:06 PM   #66 
  - except that he has been debunked economically in this thread  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 01:50 PM   #90 
     - Debunked by DU. Well never mind then. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 02:00 PM   #92 
        - That's not much of an answer to my post #53 or others  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 02:22 PM   #99 
           - One need not rely on an alphabet soup to get his main point.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 02:58 PM   #110 
              - Sorry, I think that you are building a strawman, as did Krugman, who  haymakeragain   Apr-18-08 03:10 PM   #111 
              - I might look up some statistics for the "most of our lifetimes" claim  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 03:51 PM   #121 
                 - I don't wear rose colored glasses either.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-18-08 04:09 PM   #123 
  - Of course Dr. Paul "I Heart Outsourcing" Krugman is going to defend the 90s.  thecatburgler   Apr-18-08 01:08 PM   #67 
  - This isn't the first time he's  zidzi   Apr-18-08 01:23 PM   #77 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-08 01:18 PM   #71 
  - there does seem to be alot of truth to that  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 01:45 PM   #84 
  - I happen to think that Clinton with all his foibles will be known  midnight   Apr-18-08 01:22 PM   #75 
  - Thank you and Thanks to Krugman  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 01:24 PM   #78 
  - it is Krugman who is playing with facts  hfojvt   Apr-18-08 02:51 PM   #106 
  - Here are some interesting figures too...  Terran   Apr-18-08 01:47 PM   #86 
  - Krugman thinks factory workers can somehow become computer programmers overnight.  anonymous171   Apr-18-08 01:48 PM   #87 
  - No, but he gives them credit  OzarkDem   Apr-18-08 02:10 PM   #94 
  - From the same man that said "NAFTA will have no effect  bicentennial_baby   Apr-18-08 01:49 PM   #89 
  - Krugman espoused the virtues of NAFTA as well. Look how well that turned out.  Major Hogwash   Apr-18-08 02:15 PM   #96 
  - ObamaPWNT K&R  Texas Hill Country   Apr-18-08 02:16 PM   #98 
  - Not hardly.  haymakeragain   Apr-18-08 03:12 PM   #112 
     - his arguments are sound and undermine Obama on every point... sorry. and he deserves a post.  Texas Hill Country   Apr-18-08 03:43 PM   #118 
  - It is idiotic for a party to slam its own great record, and allow a candidate to do so.  LulaMay   Apr-18-08 02:34 PM   #104 
  - I'll say it again for the hard of hearing,  haymakeragain   Apr-18-08 03:15 PM   #113 
     - "like a lot of towns in the midwest...." what was that?  Texas Hill Country   Apr-18-08 04:16 PM   #126 
     - we have`t just lost jobs--we have lost our future!  madrchsod   Apr-18-08 04:19 PM   #128 
  - krugman do`t have a fucking clue  madrchsod   Apr-18-08 04:15 PM   #125 
  - yeah, the world famous Princeton economist doesnt know shit... youre right...  Texas Hill Country   Apr-18-08 06:26 PM   #133 
     - Just another elitist whose out of touch with the common man's plight.  anonymous171   Apr-19-08 01:52 PM   #146 
  - the 90s dot-com boom was in CALIFORNIA, CHICAGO AND NEW YORK  LSK   Apr-18-08 04:18 PM   #127 
  - remember it depended where one lived in those cities  madrchsod   Apr-18-08 04:27 PM   #131 
  - Clinton gave us the best economy in the generation. St. Obama is unlikely to come close to that  jackson_dem   Apr-18-08 06:00 PM   #132 
  - Krugman should visit my 'hood  TML   Apr-18-08 08:25 PM   #134 
  - obamer's a decent inspirational speaker  Algorem   Apr-18-08 08:40 PM   #135 
  - Gene Lyons echoed Krugman..check out this weeks column..  jbm   Apr-18-08 09:22 PM   #137 
  - great link. we're gonna be so screwed in November!  uncertainty1999   Apr-18-08 09:35 PM   #138 
  - One word, Paul.... NAFTA n/t  krkaufman   Apr-19-08 03:08 AM   #140 
  - Interesting how he left that out....huh? LOL His love for Hillary is  whutgives   Apr-19-08 11:24 AM   #143 
  - Well, I'm not sure Krugman views NAFTA unfavorably. n/t  krkaufman   Apr-19-08 02:07 PM   #147 
  - Except that antipathy about trade policy was one of those things that people were clinging to  depakid   Apr-19-08 03:32 PM   #159 
     - No, because a rational person wouldn't be distorting what he said ...  krkaufman   Apr-20-08 01:21 AM   #160 
  - Obama doing the only thing he does well: smearing other Dems and the whole party  Tactical Progressive   Apr-19-08 04:20 AM   #141 
  - bullshit.  stillcool47   Apr-19-08 03:24 PM   #153 
  - Another thing, gun ownership goes UP with INCOME. Po folk can't afford them.  McCamy Taylor   Apr-19-08 04:31 AM   #142 
  - Calling out Paul Krugman on his BS  ProSense   Apr-19-08 03:28 PM   #156 
     - Linking to bullshit thread  QC   Apr-19-08 03:32 PM   #158 

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