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Fri Apr-18-08 01:21 PM
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| 74. I didn't mean to imply that I thought she did. |
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I just thought that in light of the point of Ayers being raised, it was a fair counter-point that a couple of WU members had been pardoned by Bill.
More of an illustration that former WU members were capable of rehabilitation and using Bill's pardons as evidence of that than blaming Hillary, IMO.
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| -Krugman took Obama to school. Wow! |
kerrybama08 |
Apr-18-08 11:14 AM |
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The Dem PARTY has acknowledged Obama's statement as fact for the last two decades. |
blm |
Apr-18-08 11:18 AM |
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I recall no such Dem PARTY position - indeed the opposite is the party position - Obama lied |
papau |
Apr-18-08 11:22 AM |
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Dem lawmakers have recognized that the GOP uses demagogued issues to betray working class for |
blm |
Apr-18-08 11:52 AM |
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I have indeed noted voting against economic interests - but is Obama correct that Clinton sucked? NO |
papau |
Apr-18-08 02:50 PM |
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The economy would be a million times better today if BCCI matters hadn't been deep-sixed by Clinton. |
blm |
Apr-18-08 03:48 PM |
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"sucked"... perhaps not. But Clinton policies *were* a coninuation of Conservative policies ... |
krkaufman |
Apr-19-08 02:12 PM |
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NAFTA certainly did... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 02:23 PM |
#149 |
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Obama deceived by attacking the Clinton economy |
JoFerret |
Apr-18-08 02:27 PM |
#102 |
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When Krugman supported Dean he had no problem with "God, Guns, Gays". Krugman went LOOKING |
cryingshame |
Apr-18-08 11:36 AM |
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What does that have to do with health care reform? |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 01:26 PM |
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The problem is deciding when he was wrong. |
igil |
Apr-18-08 03:16 PM |
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Like mothers cling to their children... |
kentuck |
Apr-18-08 11:19 AM |
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I disagree |
Two Americas |
Apr-18-08 03:15 PM |
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K & R! Welcome to DU. |
AX10 |
Apr-18-08 11:20 AM |
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And Robert Reich will endorse Obama this afternoon. NT |
NYCGirl |
Apr-18-08 11:20 AM |
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Reich endorsed obama months ago. It was in all the news. |
juajen |
Apr-18-08 11:38 AM |
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It's like those people who get saved all over again every time |
QC |
Apr-18-08 11:42 AM |
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Clintons did the same with a Kathleen Kennedy redux - after Ted endorsed Obama. |
blm |
Apr-18-08 12:09 PM |
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then why did Reich say he did not endorse anyone until today??? |
LSK |
Apr-18-08 04:21 PM |
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He preferred his health plan... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 03:22 PM |
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I'll take Reich over Krugman anyday!! n/t |
tokenlib |
Apr-18-08 11:20 AM |
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Obama doesn't like Reich? |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 01:29 PM |
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They are both excellent economists |
JoFerret |
Apr-19-08 01:25 PM |
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Good article. I have one comment though - Bill Clinton's economy benefitted greatly from |
cyberpj |
Apr-18-08 11:21 AM |
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Not only did Clinton-era economy boom from Tech Bubble, the Nafta/Glass-Steagall repeal |
cryingshame |
Apr-18-08 11:31 AM |
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Bingo! |
kentuck |
Apr-18-08 01:10 PM |
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True. Clinton's greatest move then... |
damonm |
Apr-18-08 03:53 PM |
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"blurring the distinction between Clinton-era prosperity and Bush-era economic distress"... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-18-08 11:22 AM |
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Obama wants GOP love - as his campaign says - his current statements are just for the campaign |
papau |
Apr-18-08 11:23 AM |
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lol - um, no. He's running against Clinton in the primary is all... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-18-08 11:24 AM |
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Sorry, but Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, signed Nafta and empowered China. It's time |
cryingshame |
Apr-18-08 11:37 AM |
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Glass-Steagall was "repealed" via waivers that began under Reagan - and it was |
papau |
Apr-18-08 11:46 AM |
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NAFTA was passed during GHWB's term. Bill had nothing to do |
juajen |
Apr-18-08 11:48 AM |
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Do you expect anyone to pay attention to what you just said? |
LisaM |
Apr-18-08 12:16 PM |
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Considering how wrong it is? No. |
redqueen |
Apr-18-08 12:35 PM |
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Apr-18-08 12:35 PM |
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and after intense White House lobbying |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 02:55 PM |
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Not to mention the objections of Dems in both houses of Congress. |
redqueen |
Apr-18-08 02:57 PM |
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HAHAH...then WHY did Bill set up a War Room for NAFTA if he didn't wage a battle to pass it? |
blm |
Apr-18-08 01:03 PM |
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Congress had to pass NAFTA |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 01:34 PM |
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Wiki supports what you said: |
spooky3 |
Apr-18-08 08:51 PM |
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not true... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 02:33 PM |
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Stupid.... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 02:28 PM |
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Nixon empowered China |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 01:31 PM |
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When did Obama do that? |
Radical Activist |
Apr-18-08 11:42 AM |
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You didn't hear how he just gushed over the Gulf War? |
LisaM |
Apr-18-08 12:41 PM |
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The gulf war? The claim was about the economy. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-18-08 01:32 PM |
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"Reagan good/Clinton bad" is just part of Obama's "bring us together" strategy. |
oasis |
Apr-18-08 09:40 PM |
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Oh, so an Op-Ed columnist has an opinion -- I'll alert the media. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-18-08 11:22 AM |
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kerrybama08,??? is this post in support of Obama? |
The Wielding Truth |
Apr-18-08 11:25 AM |
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would knowing the distinction affect what you would say? |
Mezzo |
Apr-18-08 01:09 PM |
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I'm so confused....lol |
golddigger |
Apr-18-08 03:42 PM |
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To me the article seems so bias against Obama, but the name |
The Wielding Truth |
Apr-19-08 01:51 PM |
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I always enjoy reading Paul Krugman...however |
DAGDA56 |
Apr-18-08 11:26 AM |
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I'm confused and maybe you can help me out. |
merh |
Apr-18-08 12:21 PM |
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A substantive response to that from William Greider in 2000 |
Armstead |
Apr-18-08 11:26 AM |
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Krugman apparently doesn't know what a Wedge Issue is. Funny, he didn't mind Dean saying God Guns |
cryingshame |
Apr-18-08 11:28 AM |
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He didn't endorse Howard Dean |
dsc |
Apr-18-08 11:37 AM |
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He wrote quite a few columns making it plain he preferred Dean. Just as he has written quite a few |
cryingshame |
Apr-18-08 11:43 AM |
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Krugman has been "taking Obama to school" for months now, but |
Freddie Stubbs |
Apr-18-08 11:28 AM |
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not as of today |
grasswire |
Apr-18-08 11:41 AM |
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I'm talking about the numbers that matter, delegates |
Freddie Stubbs |
Apr-18-08 12:57 PM |
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Krugman has been shilling for Clinton |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 12:23 PM |
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It's so obvious. He's getting increasingly petulant. |
thecatburgler |
Apr-18-08 01:19 PM |
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Krugman's column today is a keeper |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-18-08 11:29 AM |
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Why? Krugman seems totally ignorant of Wedge Issues. Just because your girl is too fucking stupidc |
cryingshame |
Apr-18-08 11:40 AM |
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If you disagree with the research in the article |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-18-08 12:21 PM |
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Why did Krugman fail to mention the growing disparity between the rich and poor in the 90s? |
thecatburgler |
Apr-18-08 01:20 PM |
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may I humbly suggest posts #53 and #84? |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 01:54 PM |
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I'm sure things are much worse now.... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 03:31 PM |
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Apr-18-08 11:30 AM |
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Krugman is either just shilling for HRC or an idiot or both |
DefenseLawyer |
Apr-18-08 11:31 AM |
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I think people understand full well how Obama covered himself |
DemGa |
Apr-18-08 11:33 AM |
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No, I think Hillary supporters want to win at any cost |
DefenseLawyer |
Apr-18-08 11:37 AM |
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Remember the flag lapel pin question? |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Apr-18-08 04:23 PM |
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Obama had to lie his ass off on this one |
DemGa |
Apr-18-08 11:31 AM |
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Condemning... |
americanstranger |
Apr-18-08 11:40 AM |
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It says a lot about Obama |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 02:13 PM |
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Capital flooded the market due to low interest rates. Just like capital flooded the |
Skwmom |
Apr-18-08 11:36 AM |
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Welcome to DU |
thevoiceofreason |
Apr-18-08 11:39 AM |
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Krugman is stetching the truth and is out of touch with the real world in rural America. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-18-08 11:40 AM |
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Well done. |
redqueen |
Apr-18-08 11:42 AM |
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I predict: Krugman on Reich.... |
americanstranger |
Apr-18-08 11:48 AM |
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Reich was responsible |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 02:15 PM |
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Reich also disagreed with Clinton over many policies. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-18-08 02:26 PM |
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what would that have to do... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 03:26 PM |
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you made my point- chicago |
mopinko |
Apr-18-08 11:48 AM |
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Krugman is really playing into the clueless east coast ivory tower elitist stereotype. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-18-08 01:48 PM |
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I live in the rural northwest and I find his comments to be on the money. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 01:16 PM |
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The Northwest isn't the Midwest |
Radical Activist |
Apr-18-08 01:47 PM |
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Indeed it is not. The midwest is now home to Boeing. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 02:04 PM |
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Yes, in Chicago. Is Chicago rural to you? You make my point for me. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-18-08 02:24 PM |
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NAFTA and China MFN have made thousands of jobs leave the US |
zulchzulu |
Apr-18-08 11:46 AM |
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As usual, total bullshit! |
juajen |
Apr-18-08 12:12 PM |
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Like you'd know? |
redqueen |
Apr-18-08 12:36 PM |
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How can you possibly say that? |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 03:28 PM |
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He was originally hired at the NY Times |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 12:21 PM |
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Obama has made many anti-Clinton adminstration comments |
LisaM |
Apr-18-08 11:54 AM |
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Why in the world should she be allowed to take credit? |
americanstranger |
Apr-18-08 11:57 AM |
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Then she likewise shouldn't be blamed for anything |
LisaM |
Apr-18-08 11:59 AM |
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I think it was fair to point that out. |
americanstranger |
Apr-18-08 12:17 PM |
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The one thing I think she was NOT involved in at all was the pardons |
LisaM |
Apr-18-08 12:25 PM |
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I didn't mean to imply that I thought she did. |
americanstranger |
Apr-18-08 01:21 PM |
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Then she should stop running on her husband's record |
thecatburgler |
Apr-18-08 01:22 PM |
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Krugman is an elitist. nt |
thereismore |
Apr-18-08 11:56 AM |
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Selective statistics. |
Orsino |
Apr-18-08 12:02 PM |
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Krugman maybe still hopes to be in a Clinton administration |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 12:17 PM |
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You seem to be disputing some other article. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-18-08 02:29 PM |
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Criticizing Krugman for intellectual dishonesty? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 02:55 PM |
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because Obama said "in the last 25 years" |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 03:33 PM |
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Yes, that's what he said. It is apparent he sees little to recommend the Democrat of that timeframe. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 03:50 PM |
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the last 25 years includes 17 years of Republican administrations |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 04:12 PM |
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Krugman is good, but he isn't always right |
nichomachus |
Apr-18-08 12:19 PM |
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He's using averages for the entire nation, not small towns. |
anonymous171 |
Apr-18-08 12:36 PM |
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That was excellent. Krugman is brilliant. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 01:06 PM |
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except that he has been debunked economically in this thread |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 01:50 PM |
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Debunked by DU. Well never mind then. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 02:00 PM |
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That's not much of an answer to my post #53 or others |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 02:22 PM |
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One need not rely on an alphabet soup to get his main point. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 02:58 PM |
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Sorry, I think that you are building a strawman, as did Krugman, who |
haymakeragain |
Apr-18-08 03:10 PM |
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I might look up some statistics for the "most of our lifetimes" claim |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 03:51 PM |
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I don't wear rose colored glasses either. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-18-08 04:09 PM |
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Of course Dr. Paul "I Heart Outsourcing" Krugman is going to defend the 90s. |
thecatburgler |
Apr-18-08 01:08 PM |
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This isn't the first time he's |
zidzi |
Apr-18-08 01:23 PM |
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Apr-18-08 01:18 PM |
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there does seem to be alot of truth to that |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 01:45 PM |
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I happen to think that Clinton with all his foibles will be known |
midnight |
Apr-18-08 01:22 PM |
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Thank you and Thanks to Krugman |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 01:24 PM |
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it is Krugman who is playing with facts |
hfojvt |
Apr-18-08 02:51 PM |
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Here are some interesting figures too... |
Terran |
Apr-18-08 01:47 PM |
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Krugman thinks factory workers can somehow become computer programmers overnight. |
anonymous171 |
Apr-18-08 01:48 PM |
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No, but he gives them credit |
OzarkDem |
Apr-18-08 02:10 PM |
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From the same man that said "NAFTA will have no effect |
bicentennial_baby |
Apr-18-08 01:49 PM |
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Krugman espoused the virtues of NAFTA as well. Look how well that turned out. |
Major Hogwash |
Apr-18-08 02:15 PM |
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ObamaPWNT K&R |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-18-08 02:16 PM |
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Not hardly. |
haymakeragain |
Apr-18-08 03:12 PM |
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his arguments are sound and undermine Obama on every point... sorry. and he deserves a post. |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-18-08 03:43 PM |
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It is idiotic for a party to slam its own great record, and allow a candidate to do so. |
LulaMay |
Apr-18-08 02:34 PM |
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I'll say it again for the hard of hearing, |
haymakeragain |
Apr-18-08 03:15 PM |
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"like a lot of towns in the midwest...." what was that? |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-18-08 04:16 PM |
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we have`t just lost jobs--we have lost our future! |
madrchsod |
Apr-18-08 04:19 PM |
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krugman do`t have a fucking clue |
madrchsod |
Apr-18-08 04:15 PM |
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yeah, the world famous Princeton economist doesnt know shit... youre right... |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-18-08 06:26 PM |
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Just another elitist whose out of touch with the common man's plight. |
anonymous171 |
Apr-19-08 01:52 PM |
#146 |
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the 90s dot-com boom was in CALIFORNIA, CHICAGO AND NEW YORK |
LSK |
Apr-18-08 04:18 PM |
#127 |
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remember it depended where one lived in those cities |
madrchsod |
Apr-18-08 04:27 PM |
#131 |
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Clinton gave us the best economy in the generation. St. Obama is unlikely to come close to that |
jackson_dem |
Apr-18-08 06:00 PM |
#132 |
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Krugman should visit my 'hood |
TML |
Apr-18-08 08:25 PM |
#134 |
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obamer's a decent inspirational speaker |
Algorem |
Apr-18-08 08:40 PM |
#135 |
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Gene Lyons echoed Krugman..check out this weeks column.. |
jbm |
Apr-18-08 09:22 PM |
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great link. we're gonna be so screwed in November! |
uncertainty1999 |
Apr-18-08 09:35 PM |
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One word, Paul.... NAFTA n/t |
krkaufman |
Apr-19-08 03:08 AM |
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Interesting how he left that out....huh? LOL His love for Hillary is |
whutgives |
Apr-19-08 11:24 AM |
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Well, I'm not sure Krugman views NAFTA unfavorably. n/t |
krkaufman |
Apr-19-08 02:07 PM |
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Except that antipathy about trade policy was one of those things that people were clinging to |
depakid |
Apr-19-08 03:32 PM |
#159 |
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No, because a rational person wouldn't be distorting what he said ... |
krkaufman |
Apr-20-08 01:21 AM |
#160 |
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Obama doing the only thing he does well: smearing other Dems and the whole party |
Tactical Progressive |
Apr-19-08 04:20 AM |
#141 |
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bullshit. |
stillcool47 |
Apr-19-08 03:24 PM |
#153 |
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Another thing, gun ownership goes UP with INCOME. Po folk can't afford them. |
McCamy Taylor |
Apr-19-08 04:31 AM |
#142 |
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Calling out Paul Krugman on his BS |
ProSense |
Apr-19-08 03:28 PM |
#156 |
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Linking to bullshit thread |
QC |
Apr-19-08 03:32 PM |
#158 |
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