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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:15 AM
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82. Considering that the guns in question are the MOST POPULAR TARGET RIFLES in America...
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 10:16 AM by benEzra
I'd say most people use them for "target shooting" and "organized target competition". AR-15's (.223 Remington caliber) DOMINATE centerfire rifle target competition in this country, due to their supreme accuracy and light recoil:



That rifle is also an excellent alternative to the traditional .729 caliber (12-gauge) home shotgun, and happens to be the most popular rifle in the United States at the moment. The #1 caliber of rifle ammunition sold annually for the civilian target shooting market is .223 Remington. And the SKS, another gun you're talking about banning, appears to be the single most popular centerfire rifle in U.S. homes nationwide. My wife owns one, a highly collectible 1952 Tula. And I shoot recreationally and competitively with a SAR-1, another rifle you're talking about banning.

You do realize that 4 out of 5 U.S. gun owners are nonhunters, yes?

FWIW, criminals almost never use rifles; they use handguns.

2005 data:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_20.html
Total murders............................14,860.....100.00%
Handguns..................................7,543......50.76%
Other weapons (non firearm, non edged)....1,954......13.15%
Edged weapons.............................1,914......12.88%
Firearms (type unknown)...................1,598......10.75%
Shotguns....................................517.......3.48%
Hands, fists, feet, etc.....................892.......6.00%
Rifles......................................442.......2.97%

2006 data:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_20.html
Total murders............................14,990.....100.00%
Handguns..................................7,795......52.00%
Other weapons (non firearm, non edged)....2,158......14.40%
Edged weapons.............................1,822......12.15%
Firearms (type unknown)...................1,465.......9.77%
Shotguns....................................481.......3.21%
Hands, fists, feet, etc.....................833.......5.56%
Rifles......................................436.......2.91%


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  -Hillary is delusional if she thinks that PA voters favor the 1994 AWB. skypuddle  Apr-16-08 08:28 PM   #0 
  - "I respect the Second Amendment - FISHED IN! I fooled you good..."  derby378   Apr-16-08 08:31 PM   #1 
  - So much for those halcyon days in the duck blind, huh?  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:32 PM   #2 
     - Must've been all that sniper fire in Bosnia  derby378   Apr-16-08 08:34 PM   #5 
        - Either that or Gramps' teachings didn't take.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:37 PM   #8 
  - Actually, only idiots WANT assualt weapons on the streets  depakid   Apr-16-08 08:32 PM   #3 
  - What's an "assault weapon?"  derby378   Apr-16-08 08:33 PM   #4 
  - A weapon more powerful than is necessary to take down a deer, and is clearly...  stevietheman   Apr-16-08 08:40 PM   #12 
  - That's not a precise enough decision to pass legal muster  derby378   Apr-16-08 08:54 PM   #22 
  - Amen.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:05 PM   #25 
  - You know, there is other game, much larger I might add, that people hunt other than deer.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:55 PM   #23 
  - DING DING DING We have a winner!!!  cliffordu   Apr-17-08 10:59 AM   #85 
  - Want to see something really funny? Ask one of these savants pelting you with information about  apocalypsehow   Apr-16-08 10:19 PM   #58 
  - You do understand that there is a world of difference between a so-called "machine gun"...  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 10:35 PM   #62 
  - Yeah, you don't seem to "think" very much:  apocalypsehow   Apr-16-08 10:46 PM   #65 
     - Yeah, because my REAL name is Turbo Teg...  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 10:55 PM   #67 
        - You need to learn to read slower. Or better. Or something.  apocalypsehow   Apr-16-08 10:57 PM   #69 
           - You need to set up strawnem to not collapse so suddenly...  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 11:05 PM   #73 
              - LOL! You obviously have just heard the term in passing, i.e., them there "strawnem"...  apocalypsehow   Apr-16-08 11:12 PM   #76 
  - Hey, now here's an interesting proposition...  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 10:50 PM   #66 
  - Typical "assault weapon" is about half as powerful as a typical deer rifle.  benEzra   Apr-17-08 10:53 AM   #83 
  - assault weapons are military design rifles, designed to kill people. Some trademarks include pistol  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 08:41 PM   #14 
     - "It is hard to define exactly what one is..."  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:51 PM   #19 
     - Wow, you know your guns.  BornBlue   Apr-17-08 11:14 AM   #89 
     - Ever stop to think what's so bad about a pistol grip on a rifle?  derby378   Apr-16-08 09:20 PM   #29 
     - Do you really think that any of them know the first thing about firearms?  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:25 PM   #31 
        - Well, this is where we can earn our keep...  derby378   Apr-16-08 09:30 PM   #33 
           - Indeed.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:39 PM   #39 
     - You realize that nearly all target rifles have pistol grips, right?  benEzra   Apr-17-08 11:16 AM   #90 
  - Um, yeah, we are talking hunting rifles.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:35 PM   #6 
     - Hey now, hey now...  derby378   Apr-16-08 08:36 PM   #7 
     - Fair enough.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:37 PM   #9 
     - How many STUPID gun nuts do we have to listen to spouting off?  depakid   Apr-16-08 08:40 PM   #11 
        - Actually, you obtuse person, only TWO of those are hunting rifles.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:44 PM   #15 
        - You know- that almost sounds like satire  depakid   Apr-16-08 08:52 PM   #21 
        - Woe to ye, who oppose something that ye know little to nothing about.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:59 PM   #24 
        - Oh, I almost forgot..  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:11 PM   #27 
        - Yep - 30,000 deaths a year, split about half and half between homicides and suicides, give or take  apocalypsehow   Apr-16-08 10:29 PM   #60 
        - Umm, the vast majority of those DON'T INVOLVE RIFLES.  benEzra   Apr-17-08 10:57 AM   #84 
        - Are you aware that "assault weapons" are almost never used in crimes?  Nabeshin   Apr-16-08 10:42 PM   #63 
        - Actually, *that* AK looks to be a Title 2/Class III restricted automatic weapon...  benEzra   Apr-17-08 01:08 PM   #95 
        - Those have been tightly controlled in this country for 74 years now  benEzra   Apr-17-08 09:18 AM   #80 
  - Sorry, most Democrats favor that ban regardless of the political cost.  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 08:38 PM   #10 
  - Not anymore...  derby378   Apr-16-08 08:40 PM   #13 
     - That poll is not of Democrats.. and is still a 57-63 % result who want it.. you are wrong  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 08:45 PM   #17 
        - You're looking at the wrong poll  derby378   Apr-16-08 08:51 PM   #20 
           - The one that polled only 152 people? and asked if you would vote for someone if.....  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 09:38 PM   #38 
              - I did mention that there were a lot of caveats in the poll...  derby378   Apr-16-08 09:42 PM   #40 
              - No you didn't.. all you did was refer me to it... read your post  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 09:44 PM   #43 
              - Alright, let us examine a piece from one year ago tomorrow.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:42 PM   #41 
                 - WTF is your point?? people can own a gun and be against assault weapons.. this means nothing to me  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 09:48 PM   #46 
                    - And, as we have just explained...  derby378   Apr-16-08 10:01 PM   #49 
                    - I think you fail to grasp the scope of the "assault weapon" buzzword.  benEzra   Apr-17-08 12:05 PM   #93 
                       - Any candidate who wants to ban semiautomatic firearms automatically wants to ban AW. n/t  jody   Apr-17-08 03:29 PM   #98 
  - Its a personal issue for her I believe  Jim4Wes   Apr-16-08 08:44 PM   #16 
  - We've had that idea sold, with disastrous consequences.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 08:46 PM   #18 
  - Yeah that was a major fuckup on her part. Obama answered the gun question better  hollowdweller   Apr-16-08 09:06 PM   #26 
  - At least I'm not the only one who noticed.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:14 PM   #28 
  - BO also wants a revised AWB. BO & HC are doing everything possible to alienate 80 million gun owners  jody   Apr-16-08 09:25 PM   #30 
  - I didn't hear Barack Obama say anything about reinstating that AWB in the debate tonight.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:27 PM   #32 
  - He's expressed support for a semi-auto ban several times last year...  derby378   Apr-16-08 09:31 PM   #34 
  - See, not cool that he ever supported such tripe.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:34 PM   #35 
     - Well, he might not be Bill Richardson or Jim Webb...  derby378   Apr-16-08 09:37 PM   #37 
  - BO also said we should ban all semiautomatic firearms. Note that assault weapons are by definition  jody   Apr-16-08 09:36 PM   #36 
     - I usually don't ask, but...  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 10:15 PM   #56 
        - Barack Obama on Gun Control (On The Issues) see link below  jody   Apr-16-08 10:25 PM   #59 
           - Way to put up.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 10:44 PM   #64 
  - 80 million assault weapon owners? you have got to be kidding....  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 09:43 PM   #42 
     - No, 80 million gun owners who realize that the 1994 AWB is BS.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 09:47 PM   #45 
     - You assume everyone who owns a gun is in favor of assault weapons.. that is insane  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 09:50 PM   #47 
        - You assume that you know what an "assault weapon" is.  MercutioATC   Apr-16-08 10:08 PM   #53 
     - Obviously you have a reading comprehensive problem because I did not say 80 million AW owners,  jody   Apr-16-08 09:58 PM   #48 
     - So you say the 80 million people are in favor of semi automatic weapons? any evidence of that?  Johnny__Motown   Apr-16-08 10:01 PM   #50 
        - You are a real comedian. Have a nice evening and goodbye. n/t  jody   Apr-16-08 10:07 PM   #52 
        - Do you know what a semi-automatic weapon is?  MercutioATC   Apr-16-08 10:10 PM   #54 
        - I wouldn't waste my time with that ,*ahem*, "pro-gun Democrat." He refuses to say he won't  apocalypsehow   Apr-16-08 10:12 PM   #55 
        - Do you know what the word "semiautomatic" means?  benEzra   Apr-17-08 11:13 AM   #88 
     - No, closer to 40 million,  benEzra   Apr-17-08 09:21 AM   #81 
  - I don't understand this...  stillcool47   Apr-16-08 09:44 PM   #44 
  - What's an "ordinary" weapon?  derby378   Apr-16-08 10:03 PM   #51 
  - Speaking of the Second Amendment o the Constitution of the United States...  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 10:32 PM   #61 
  - Jefferson wanted a highly armed population as a detterrant.  smiley_glad_hands   Apr-17-08 11:26 AM   #92 
  - Well...when I was a kid..  stillcool47   Apr-16-08 11:00 PM   #70 
     - Well, here's the deal...  derby378   Apr-17-08 08:45 AM   #79 
     - Consider me enlightened...  stillcool47   Apr-17-08 08:24 PM   #100 
     - What kind of rifle did you use? It may BE an "assault weapon".  benEzra   Apr-17-08 11:08 AM   #87 
  - "...don't ordinary weapons do the trick?"  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 10:19 PM   #57 
  - Pull the trigger..  stillcool47   Apr-16-08 10:57 PM   #68 
     - You do realize that a "Kalshnikov" and an "AK-47" are one and the same right?  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 11:02 PM   #71 
     - No. I did have a boyfriend once...  stillcool47   Apr-16-08 11:05 PM   #72 
        - Look at the picture of the very smallest gun in the thread, above our posts.  skypuddle   Apr-16-08 11:11 PM   #75 
           - yup...I'm a fool...  stillcool47   Apr-16-08 11:19 PM   #77 
           - I think I have finally found  msallied   Apr-16-08 11:21 PM   #78 
              - Thanks!  skypuddle   Apr-17-08 01:50 PM   #97 
     - Considering that the guns in question are the MOST POPULAR TARGET RIFLES in America...  benEzra   Apr-17-08 10:15 AM   #82 
  - You realize you're talking about the most popular small-caliber civilian rifles in America,  benEzra   Apr-17-08 11:01 AM   #86 
  - she's wrong  beyondromantic   Apr-16-08 11:09 PM   #74 
  - You could still buy the guns in that ban.  smiley_glad_hands   Apr-17-08 11:21 AM   #91 
  - Actually, the 1994 non-ban didn't even affect rifle magazine capacities...  benEzra   Apr-17-08 12:11 PM   #94 
     - Thanks for the correction. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Apr-17-08 03:50 PM   #99 
  - K&R  quantass   Apr-17-08 01:43 PM   #96 
 

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