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Thu Apr-17-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #68 |
| 82. Considering that the guns in question are the MOST POPULAR TARGET RIFLES in America... |
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Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 10:16 AM by benEzra
I'd say most people use them for "target shooting" and "organized target competition". AR-15's (.223 Remington caliber) DOMINATE centerfire rifle target competition in this country, due to their supreme accuracy and light recoil:  That rifle is also an excellent alternative to the traditional .729 caliber (12-gauge) home shotgun, and happens to be the most popular rifle in the United States at the moment. The #1 caliber of rifle ammunition sold annually for the civilian target shooting market is .223 Remington. And the SKS, another gun you're talking about banning, appears to be the single most popular centerfire rifle in U.S. homes nationwide. My wife owns one, a highly collectible 1952 Tula. And I shoot recreationally and competitively with a SAR-1, another rifle you're talking about banning. You do realize that 4 out of 5 U.S. gun owners are nonhunters, yes? FWIW, criminals almost never use rifles; they use handguns. 2005 data: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_20.html Total murders............................14,860.....100.00% Handguns..................................7,543......50.76% Other weapons (non firearm, non edged)....1,954......13.15% Edged weapons.............................1,914......12.88% Firearms (type unknown)...................1,598......10.75% Shotguns....................................517.......3.48% Hands, fists, feet, etc.....................892.......6.00% Rifles......................................442.......2.97%
2006 data: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_20.html Total murders............................14,990.....100.00% Handguns..................................7,795......52.00% Other weapons (non firearm, non edged)....2,158......14.40% Edged weapons.............................1,822......12.15% Firearms (type unknown)...................1,465.......9.77% Shotguns....................................481.......3.21% Hands, fists, feet, etc.....................833.......5.56% Rifles......................................436.......2.91%
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| -Hillary is delusional if she thinks that PA voters favor the 1994 AWB. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:28 PM |
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"I respect the Second Amendment - FISHED IN! I fooled you good..." |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 08:31 PM |
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So much for those halcyon days in the duck blind, huh? |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:32 PM |
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Must've been all that sniper fire in Bosnia |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 08:34 PM |
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Either that or Gramps' teachings didn't take. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:37 PM |
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Actually, only idiots WANT assualt weapons on the streets |
depakid |
Apr-16-08 08:32 PM |
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What's an "assault weapon?" |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 08:33 PM |
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A weapon more powerful than is necessary to take down a deer, and is clearly... |
stevietheman |
Apr-16-08 08:40 PM |
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That's not a precise enough decision to pass legal muster |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 08:54 PM |
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Amen. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:05 PM |
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You know, there is other game, much larger I might add, that people hunt other than deer. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:55 PM |
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DING DING DING We have a winner!!! |
cliffordu |
Apr-17-08 10:59 AM |
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Want to see something really funny? Ask one of these savants pelting you with information about |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-16-08 10:19 PM |
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You do understand that there is a world of difference between a so-called "machine gun"... |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 10:35 PM |
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Yeah, you don't seem to "think" very much: |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-16-08 10:46 PM |
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Yeah, because my REAL name is Turbo Teg... |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 10:55 PM |
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You need to learn to read slower. Or better. Or something. |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-16-08 10:57 PM |
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You need to set up strawnem to not collapse so suddenly... |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 11:05 PM |
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LOL! You obviously have just heard the term in passing, i.e., them there "strawnem"... |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-16-08 11:12 PM |
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Hey, now here's an interesting proposition... |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 10:50 PM |
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Typical "assault weapon" is about half as powerful as a typical deer rifle. |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 10:53 AM |
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assault weapons are military design rifles, designed to kill people. Some trademarks include pistol |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 08:41 PM |
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"It is hard to define exactly what one is..." |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:51 PM |
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Wow, you know your guns. |
BornBlue |
Apr-17-08 11:14 AM |
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Ever stop to think what's so bad about a pistol grip on a rifle? |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 09:20 PM |
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Do you really think that any of them know the first thing about firearms? |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:25 PM |
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Well, this is where we can earn our keep... |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 09:30 PM |
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Indeed. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:39 PM |
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You realize that nearly all target rifles have pistol grips, right? |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 11:16 AM |
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Um, yeah, we are talking hunting rifles. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:35 PM |
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Hey now, hey now... |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 08:36 PM |
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Fair enough. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:37 PM |
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How many STUPID gun nuts do we have to listen to spouting off? |
depakid |
Apr-16-08 08:40 PM |
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Actually, you obtuse person, only TWO of those are hunting rifles. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:44 PM |
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You know- that almost sounds like satire |
depakid |
Apr-16-08 08:52 PM |
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Woe to ye, who oppose something that ye know little to nothing about. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:59 PM |
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Oh, I almost forgot.. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:11 PM |
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Yep - 30,000 deaths a year, split about half and half between homicides and suicides, give or take |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-16-08 10:29 PM |
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Umm, the vast majority of those DON'T INVOLVE RIFLES. |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 10:57 AM |
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Are you aware that "assault weapons" are almost never used in crimes? |
Nabeshin |
Apr-16-08 10:42 PM |
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Actually, *that* AK looks to be a Title 2/Class III restricted automatic weapon... |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 01:08 PM |
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Those have been tightly controlled in this country for 74 years now |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 09:18 AM |
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Sorry, most Democrats favor that ban regardless of the political cost. |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 08:38 PM |
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Not anymore... |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 08:40 PM |
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That poll is not of Democrats.. and is still a 57-63 % result who want it.. you are wrong |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 08:45 PM |
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You're looking at the wrong poll |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 08:51 PM |
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The one that polled only 152 people? and asked if you would vote for someone if..... |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 09:38 PM |
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I did mention that there were a lot of caveats in the poll... |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 09:42 PM |
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No you didn't.. all you did was refer me to it... read your post |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 09:44 PM |
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Alright, let us examine a piece from one year ago tomorrow. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:42 PM |
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WTF is your point?? people can own a gun and be against assault weapons.. this means nothing to me |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 09:48 PM |
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And, as we have just explained... |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 10:01 PM |
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I think you fail to grasp the scope of the "assault weapon" buzzword. |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 12:05 PM |
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Any candidate who wants to ban semiautomatic firearms automatically wants to ban AW. n/t |
jody |
Apr-17-08 03:29 PM |
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Its a personal issue for her I believe |
Jim4Wes |
Apr-16-08 08:44 PM |
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We've had that idea sold, with disastrous consequences. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 08:46 PM |
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Yeah that was a major fuckup on her part. Obama answered the gun question better |
hollowdweller |
Apr-16-08 09:06 PM |
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At least I'm not the only one who noticed. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:14 PM |
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BO also wants a revised AWB. BO & HC are doing everything possible to alienate 80 million gun owners |
jody |
Apr-16-08 09:25 PM |
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I didn't hear Barack Obama say anything about reinstating that AWB in the debate tonight. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:27 PM |
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He's expressed support for a semi-auto ban several times last year... |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 09:31 PM |
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See, not cool that he ever supported such tripe. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:34 PM |
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Well, he might not be Bill Richardson or Jim Webb... |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 09:37 PM |
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BO also said we should ban all semiautomatic firearms. Note that assault weapons are by definition |
jody |
Apr-16-08 09:36 PM |
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I usually don't ask, but... |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 10:15 PM |
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Barack Obama on Gun Control (On The Issues) see link below |
jody |
Apr-16-08 10:25 PM |
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Way to put up. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 10:44 PM |
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80 million assault weapon owners? you have got to be kidding.... |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 09:43 PM |
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No, 80 million gun owners who realize that the 1994 AWB is BS. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 09:47 PM |
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You assume everyone who owns a gun is in favor of assault weapons.. that is insane |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 09:50 PM |
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You assume that you know what an "assault weapon" is. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-16-08 10:08 PM |
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Obviously you have a reading comprehensive problem because I did not say 80 million AW owners, |
jody |
Apr-16-08 09:58 PM |
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So you say the 80 million people are in favor of semi automatic weapons? any evidence of that? |
Johnny__Motown |
Apr-16-08 10:01 PM |
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You are a real comedian. Have a nice evening and goodbye. n/t |
jody |
Apr-16-08 10:07 PM |
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Do you know what a semi-automatic weapon is? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-16-08 10:10 PM |
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I wouldn't waste my time with that ,*ahem*, "pro-gun Democrat." He refuses to say he won't |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-16-08 10:12 PM |
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Do you know what the word "semiautomatic" means? |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 11:13 AM |
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No, closer to 40 million, |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 09:21 AM |
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I don't understand this... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-16-08 09:44 PM |
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What's an "ordinary" weapon? |
derby378 |
Apr-16-08 10:03 PM |
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Speaking of the Second Amendment o the Constitution of the United States... |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 10:32 PM |
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Jefferson wanted a highly armed population as a detterrant. |
smiley_glad_hands |
Apr-17-08 11:26 AM |
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Well...when I was a kid.. |
stillcool47 |
Apr-16-08 11:00 PM |
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Well, here's the deal... |
derby378 |
Apr-17-08 08:45 AM |
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Consider me enlightened... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-17-08 08:24 PM |
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What kind of rifle did you use? It may BE an "assault weapon". |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 11:08 AM |
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"...don't ordinary weapons do the trick?" |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 10:19 PM |
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Pull the trigger.. |
stillcool47 |
Apr-16-08 10:57 PM |
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You do realize that a "Kalshnikov" and an "AK-47" are one and the same right? |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 11:02 PM |
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No. I did have a boyfriend once... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-16-08 11:05 PM |
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Look at the picture of the very smallest gun in the thread, above our posts. |
skypuddle |
Apr-16-08 11:11 PM |
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yup...I'm a fool... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-16-08 11:19 PM |
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I think I have finally found |
msallied |
Apr-16-08 11:21 PM |
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Thanks! |
skypuddle |
Apr-17-08 01:50 PM |
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Considering that the guns in question are the MOST POPULAR TARGET RIFLES in America... |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 10:15 AM |
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You realize you're talking about the most popular small-caliber civilian rifles in America, |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 11:01 AM |
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she's wrong |
beyondromantic |
Apr-16-08 11:09 PM |
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You could still buy the guns in that ban. |
smiley_glad_hands |
Apr-17-08 11:21 AM |
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Actually, the 1994 non-ban didn't even affect rifle magazine capacities... |
benEzra |
Apr-17-08 12:11 PM |
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Thanks for the correction. eom |
smiley_glad_hands |
Apr-17-08 03:50 PM |
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K&R |
quantass |
Apr-17-08 01:43 PM |
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