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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:38 PM
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43. I have no problem with holding anyone accountable but
when the same people who say that they can't vote for Hillary because of her war vote also say they will vote for Obama, even though he votes to fund this war all the time, then they are as hypocritical as it gets.

In my case, I will vote for whichever one gets the nod. Am I happy that Hillary voted for the war? No. Am I happy that Obama, Hillary, and a slew of other Democrats don't have the guts to stop the war by stopping the funding by voting NO whenever the measures come up? NO. Do I wish our party had the GUTS and the BRAINS...and would FINALLY put their money where their mouth back a candidate like Dennis Kucinich someday? YES, I really do wish that!
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  -If you can't vote for HRC because of her war vote, then you sure as fuck can't vote for Obama either mtnsnake  Apr-15-08 09:11 PM   #0 
  - K & R!  AX10   Apr-15-08 09:12 PM   #1 
  - However, you can vote against her war policy of reduce troops and stay until 2013.  awaysidetraveler   Apr-16-08 08:03 PM   #156 
  - Exactly!  leftofcool   Apr-15-08 09:12 PM   #2 
  - +1! NTXT.  GrandmaJones7   Apr-15-08 11:12 PM   #108 
  - Her vote helped get us there.  GOPNotForMe   Apr-15-08 09:12 PM   #3 
  - I'm not saying it didn't  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:14 PM   #6 
  - Hillary has done nothing effective to bring our troops home...  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-16-08 12:29 PM   #147 
  - and 'his' vote is helping us STAY there!  BigBearJohn   Apr-15-08 10:52 PM   #96 
  - How dare you say anything against our !next Messiah! Wash your hands immediately  goldcanyonaz   Apr-15-08 09:12 PM   #4 
  - LOL - I think that rule only applies on DU  papau   Apr-15-08 09:20 PM   #22 
  - And rub your mouth out with soap!  Auntie Bush   Apr-15-08 09:25 PM   #30 
     - she voted to put them there. he voted to fund this fiasco because they  roguevalley   Apr-16-08 12:03 AM   #115 
        - "If she hadn't put them there,"  Auntie Bush   Apr-16-08 05:19 PM   #151 
  - She voted to allow Bush to send kids off to die.  cottonseed   Apr-15-08 09:13 PM   #5 
  - Clinton voted for war. Obama did not. Done....  BlooInBloo   Apr-15-08 09:14 PM   #7 
  - No it's not done. "Done" will be when Obama, Hillary, & Co. vote NO to funding this frigging war  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:15 PM   #9 
  - Uh they already did  maximusveritas   Apr-15-08 09:16 PM   #11 
  - Obama voted to help pay for the war. That is a vote for war  jackson_dem   Apr-15-08 09:51 PM   #51 
  - Oh looky! It's Hillaerobics! And Twist! And Twist! Distort! Distort!  BlooInBloo   Apr-15-08 09:55 PM   #58 
  - How can helping fund something not be a vote to continue that very enterprise?  jackson_dem   Apr-15-08 09:57 PM   #61 
     - You might have better luck peddling the lie with someone else....  BlooInBloo   Apr-15-08 09:58 PM   #64 
        - So you can't explain the inconsistency between Obama's words and actions?  jackson_dem   Apr-15-08 10:00 PM   #70 
  - Hillary voted for the war AND to help pay for it. That is TWO votes for war.  Mooney   Apr-15-08 09:59 PM   #66 
     - They know. They're just trying to lie to us. Like candidate, like supporter.  BlooInBloo   Apr-15-08 10:00 PM   #68 
     - More than two. There have been several votes to keep the war going  jackson_dem   Apr-15-08 10:01 PM   #71 
        - But she'll always beat him by that one vote.  Mooney   Apr-15-08 10:06 PM   #77 
  - Of course not. Nobody asked him.  prodn2000   Apr-16-08 12:18 PM   #142 
  - These are 2 different issues and you know that  maximusveritas   Apr-15-08 09:14 PM   #8 
  - Obama, Hillary, & all the Dems could stop this war by not voting to fund it  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:20 PM   #20 
     - Exactly, mtn (Edwards also came out for defunding but the "anti-war" vote when to Obama)  jackson_dem   Apr-15-08 09:52 PM   #52 
     - No, they couldn't.  NCevilDUer   Apr-15-08 10:25 PM   #83 
        - I'll take Dennis Kucinich's word for it any day of the week and twice on sunday. n/t  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:33 PM   #88 
        - That just shredded my arguement all to hell.  NCevilDUer   Apr-16-08 09:15 AM   #132 
        - THANK YOU!  msallied   Apr-16-08 06:47 PM   #153 
  - well, said. mtsnake.  rodeodance   Apr-15-08 09:15 PM   #10 
  - Hillary abdicated her Constitutionally mandated war-declaring powers to an idiot.  AtomicKitten   Apr-15-08 09:16 PM   #12 
  - Well-put.  BlooInBloo   Apr-15-08 09:18 PM   #15 
  - In my opinion, you now OWN this thread!  dchill   Apr-15-08 09:35 PM   #35 
  - That was wrong, but it wasn't just her. It's also wrong that she & Barack keep voting to enable it  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:48 PM   #49 
     - So according to your logic  Mooney   Apr-15-08 09:57 PM   #63 
        - No  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:01 PM   #72 
           - I don't know anybody whose sole reason for not supporting HRC is her IWR vote.  Mooney   Apr-15-08 10:04 PM   #74 
              - Maybe not you, but here are more than a few:  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:10 PM   #81 
              - And what's most galling about her IWR vote is not that she voted for the war  NotGonnaTakeIt   Apr-15-08 10:25 PM   #82 
                 - Apologizing for your vote won't make the war go away. Voting to de-fund the war WILL  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:31 PM   #85 
                    - So Hillary shouldn't apologize, because it won't re-attach lost limbs?  Mooney   Apr-15-08 11:48 PM   #114 
                    - No, the war is here and it is not going to go away.  NotGonnaTakeIt   Apr-16-08 09:27 AM   #133 
  - Given the choice I don't think I would've done different than Obama. Pulling out of Iraq quickly is  uponit7771   Apr-15-08 09:16 PM   #13 
  - Well, then. Good thing that's not why I'm not voting for her, then  TheDoorbellRang   Apr-15-08 09:16 PM   #14 
  - I prefer someone who didn't vote to authorize it.  Tribetime   Apr-15-08 09:19 PM   #16 
  - Haha.  Symarip   Apr-15-08 09:19 PM   #17 
  - 100,000th post on the same flawed premise  meow mix   Apr-15-08 09:20 PM   #18 
  - You are speaking in racial codewords aimed at Obama.  tritsofme   Apr-15-08 09:20 PM   #19 
  - DK was my guy, and I can't disagree with you on this.  Zhade   Apr-15-08 09:20 PM   #21 
  - I don't agree she's a liar, but I appreciate that your not voting for her because of other reasons  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:23 PM   #27 
  - ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!  Double T   Apr-15-08 09:21 PM   #23 
  - Why don't I have you on ignore already?  FlyingSquirrel   Apr-15-08 09:21 PM   #24 
  - funny  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:25 PM   #31 
  - ROUND ONE: Snake VS Squirrel!!!  Moochy   Apr-15-08 10:55 PM   #99 
  - Maybe because Obama  Arrowhead2k1   Apr-15-08 09:22 PM   #25 
  - Funding troops who were already sent into a thicket of shit by Hillary & Co  Wolsh   Apr-15-08 09:23 PM   #26 
  - As a junior sure think she was powerful.  Auntie Bush   Apr-15-08 09:44 PM   #45 
  - Her vote counts as much as anyone elses....she also came in as the wife of the leader of the party..  Wolsh   Apr-15-08 09:45 PM   #46 
     - I thought she didn't have any power and /or experience. Can't have it both ways.  Auntie Bush   Apr-15-08 09:53 PM   #54 
     - You're grasping at straws.  Wolsh   Apr-15-08 10:06 PM   #75 
     - She was married to Tom Daschle?  jackson_dem   Apr-15-08 09:55 PM   #57 
        - LOL  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:57 PM   #62 
           - When Hillary runs against McCain, the War Vote won't be an issue..  Tellurian   Apr-15-08 10:27 PM   #84 
  - Seems to me  junofeb   Apr-15-08 10:07 PM   #79 
  - "Yes I can" with Obama I have a lot of hope bubbah...  Imagevision   Apr-15-08 09:23 PM   #28 
  - Or our soldiers could get conveniently hung out to dry by W. in order to blame Dems.  kwenu   Apr-15-08 09:23 PM   #29 
  - Why didn't anyone here crucify Kerry for that vote in the last election?  TK421   Apr-15-08 09:28 PM   #32 
  - Yup, exactly. Selective criticism runs rampant here. It always has.  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:32 PM   #34 
  - And apparently, no matter how un-self-aware, always will.  dchill   Apr-15-08 09:37 PM   #38 
  - And NOW I have to go dig up every Democratic senator who voted for IWR  TK421   Apr-15-08 10:50 PM   #95 
     - Here is the list of Yeas and Nays for the war vote  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:55 PM   #98 
     - Thank you, mtnsnake......  TK421   Apr-15-08 10:56 PM   #100 
        - Cheers  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:57 PM   #102 
     - Many Democrats didn't vote FOR War.  bvar22   Apr-16-08 11:18 AM   #139 
  - So...I'm not crazy?  TK421   Apr-15-08 10:36 PM   #90 
  - Exactly  seasonedblue   Apr-15-08 10:31 PM   #87 
  - You mean I'm not a nut-ball for thinking this?  TK421   Apr-15-08 10:42 PM   #94 
  - Exactly wrong- I refer you to post 101.  Melinda   Apr-15-08 10:58 PM   #103 
  - Oh look. Another person who wasn't here then commenting on what happened.  JVS   Apr-16-08 06:44 AM   #122 
  - You obviously weren't here when Dean was running.  Melinda   Apr-15-08 10:56 PM   #101 
  - Oh pardon me, Melinda...I started posting here during the '04 debates  TK421   Apr-15-08 11:13 PM   #109 
     - There is no need to be snarky, sheese. We are in the primary season...  Melinda   Apr-15-08 11:41 PM   #113 
     - No harm certainly, but your post struck me as a bit snotty...perhaps I was wrong  TK421   Apr-16-08 05:11 PM   #150 
     - And I see pro-Hilary posts here. What's your point?  JVS   Apr-16-08 06:48 AM   #123 
        - It was Wes Clark that ultimately coaxed my support to JK.  Melinda   Apr-16-08 10:00 AM   #136 
  - oh we did  darboy   Apr-15-08 11:23 PM   #112 
  - You weren't here.  JVS   Apr-16-08 06:42 AM   #121 
  - Plenty did. I can show you posts if you like  Egnever   Apr-16-08 12:19 PM   #144 
  - A little thing known as accountability  MadHound   Apr-15-08 09:30 PM   #33 
  - Bingo. As I made that brother/Iraq picture thread, I am fully aware that Obama isn't the furthest  GarbagemanLB   Apr-15-08 09:38 PM   #40 
  - I have no problem with holding anyone accountable but  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:38 PM   #43 
     - Perhaps you're not understanding what I'm saying here  MadHound   Apr-15-08 09:55 PM   #56 
  - SO! Please explain how Clinton LEARNED from her Iraq vote in her Kyle-Lieberman Iran vote!  calipendence   Apr-15-08 09:35 PM   #36 
  - I might have to stop reading DU  lastliberalintexas   Apr-15-08 09:36 PM   #37 
  - I doubt if you are alone in your sentiments, lastliberalintexas. nt  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:40 PM   #44 
  - Enjoy your fail  Symarip   Apr-15-08 09:37 PM   #39 
  - Um.. no.... once we're there, we have to fund the soldiers....  scheming daemons   Apr-15-08 09:38 PM   #41 
  - Yeah  Jake3463   Apr-15-08 09:38 PM   #42 
  - Your welcome  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:45 PM   #47 
     - In all fairness  Jake3463   Apr-15-08 09:48 PM   #50 
        - You sound just fine  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 09:56 PM   #60 
           - See we do agree  Jake3463   Apr-15-08 09:59 PM   #67 
              - Oh fuck do we ever  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:03 PM   #73 
                 - To be honest  Jake3463   Apr-15-08 10:06 PM   #76 
  - watch me. and weep  Truth Hurts A Lot   Apr-15-08 09:47 PM   #48 
  - Speaking of 2002 speeches, why is there no footage of the speech Obama is running on?  jackson_dem   Apr-15-08 09:56 PM   #59 
  - Wanna bet, rattle boy?  thevoiceofreason   Apr-15-08 09:53 PM   #53 
  - The war wouldn't come up for funding votes if it hadn't been authorized.  Mooney   Apr-15-08 09:54 PM   #55 
  - K&R - Yes, Obama has always voted to continue the war  guruoo   Apr-15-08 09:58 PM   #65 
  - You have always been rightwing DLC and never supported Dennis  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-15-08 10:00 PM   #69 
  - Here read these past threads I did on Kucinich. Then you'll apologize for your lie if youve got guts  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:06 PM   #78 
     - First thread passive aggressive supportive post of Dennis  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-15-08 11:14 PM   #110 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-08 06:32 AM   #117 
  - Big Bear John Made A Good Point On This  Dinger   Apr-15-08 10:09 PM   #80 
  - So should Obama have voted against the troops having armor or vets having support?  zulchzulu   Apr-15-08 10:31 PM   #86 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-15-08 10:36 PM   #89 
  - Thanks for reminding me of your pre-junior high level of basic English  zulchzulu   Apr-15-08 10:59 PM   #104 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-15-08 11:05 PM   #106 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-08 08:55 AM   #130 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-08 08:57 AM   #131 
  - And who will hold the Bush Admin war criminals accountable?  RiverStone   Apr-15-08 10:37 PM   #91 
  - That's good  mtnsnake   Apr-15-08 10:41 PM   #93 
     - Thanks for acknowledging some promise and common ground  RiverStone   Apr-15-08 10:54 PM   #97 
  - That wasn't the case for me at all, mtnsnake  Emit   Apr-15-08 10:38 PM   #92 
  - Voting against a war that hasn't started yet = political risk  Jed Dilligan   Apr-15-08 11:00 PM   #105 
  - The fact of the matter is that they are two different votes with two different...  demdog78   Apr-15-08 11:08 PM   #107 
  - Congress controls them getting in  darboy   Apr-15-08 11:16 PM   #111 
  - I sure as FUCK can, and I sure as FUCK did, and I sure as FUCK will.  krkaufman   Apr-16-08 12:35 AM   #116 
  - "That is the cold hard truth" BZZZZZT.  cali   Apr-16-08 06:39 AM   #118 
  - My candidate IS DK, lol.  LWolf   Apr-16-08 06:40 AM   #119 
  - Nope. Not the same.  JVS   Apr-16-08 06:41 AM   #120 
  - Wake up. It's obvious I'm trying to do the opposite  mtnsnake   Apr-16-08 07:18 AM   #125 
  - HRC's intentions behind her IWR vote are a legitimate issue.  Frumious B   Apr-16-08 07:05 AM   #124 
  - Yes we can.  Rose Siding   Apr-16-08 07:42 AM   #126 
  - another air ball  dmsRoar   Apr-16-08 08:02 AM   #127 
  - That's the truth. n/t  Jamastiene   Apr-16-08 08:04 AM   #128 
  - Forgive me if I've chosen to go with the enabler instead of the author/enabler  shadowknows69   Apr-16-08 08:09 AM   #129 
  - hey thereeee, mtnsnake!  dionysus   Apr-16-08 09:31 AM   #134 
  - Weak.  Ian_rd   Apr-16-08 09:33 AM   #135 
  - My candidate IS Dennis Kucinich.  flvegan   Apr-16-08 10:06 AM   #137 
  - Their votes are the  elmerdem   Apr-16-08 10:29 AM   #138 
  - What are the choices for an Anti-War Democrat?  bvar22   Apr-16-08 11:51 AM   #140 
  - K&R  cricket08   Apr-16-08 12:15 PM   #141 
  - Oct 2, 2002 Remarks of Sen Obama Against Going to War  mod mom   Apr-16-08 12:19 PM   #143 
  - This thread is equally flamebait as the other one,  closeupready   Apr-16-08 12:22 PM   #145 
  - BOTH Clintons SOLD that war to the Dem lawmakers AND the American people and STUCK BY Bush  blm   Apr-16-08 12:27 PM   #146 
  - Sorry. Your argument is ridiculously flawed.  sparosnare   Apr-16-08 12:34 PM   #148 
  - Kucinich fan here that won't vote for Hillary for many reasons  mrone2   Apr-16-08 12:42 PM   #149 
  - No not hypocrites  OhioBlues   Apr-16-08 06:35 PM   #152 
  - Hear, hear! Hear, hear  indepat   Apr-16-08 07:48 PM   #154 
  - Single-issue voters? Is that what you think DU is full of?  gristy   Apr-16-08 07:54 PM   #155 

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