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| 81. this is a change election...That won't fly this time. I discount your judgment... |
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You think things are still the same and that politics hasn't changed but you are wrong. The only reason why Obama and Clinton are on the top of the ticket is because things have changed.
Young people are voting in droves. And if you think old school politics is gonna prevail this time... think again. Obama was supposed to be GONE by Super Tuesday. Then the goal post got pushed back by the Clintons. Conventional poltics is not gonna work this time.
This Bitter argument is a ploy for PA voters who want the status quo but the rest of the country is beyond this kind of silly political football.
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| -Whoever you support, it must be agreed that Sen. Obama GRABBED the "third rail." |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 08:58 AM |
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The "gun" issue always comes back to bite us in the ass |
leftofcool |
Apr-14-08 09:00 AM |
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Many Democrats own guns. They just don't build shrines for them. n/t |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-14-08 09:07 AM |
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And....this matters how? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:36 AM |
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Obama's not going to have a problem with this. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 10:51 AM |
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I'm not the one you have to convince... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:29 AM |
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he has a LONG record of voting for gun control. And this problem is HUGE. |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-14-08 11:30 AM |
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Even most gun owners are in favor of some kinds of gun control, obviously. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 02:02 PM |
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Newsflash - he's ALREADY got a problem with this. |
Hoof Hearted |
Apr-14-08 11:39 AM |
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I think you're wrong. Time will tell. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 11:48 AM |
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You think I'm wrong that he has an issue with gun owners? Really? |
Hoof Hearted |
Apr-14-08 12:42 PM |
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I think it is an issue that can be overcome, yes. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 12:44 PM |
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That was not the POINT. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:25 PM |
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The point he was making was valid, if "inartful" -- which is that issues like guns and religion |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 01:39 PM |
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"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:43 PM |
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I don't understand why you are fixated on this. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 01:56 PM |
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A question |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 02:06 PM |
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Shit, I had no ideas. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:05 PM |
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Wrong, the gun issue has cost dems election in the past |
Craftsman |
Apr-14-08 02:23 PM |
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Yeah, but that was the past. I don't think it's going to happen this time. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 02:33 PM |
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Why? |
Craftsman |
Apr-14-08 03:32 PM |
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Because neither guns nor gun owners is the enemy. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-14-08 03:43 PM |
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But we sure as hell don't want our guns banned, either. (n/t) |
benEzra |
Apr-14-08 05:34 PM |
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At least he showed that he knows people value their gun rights.. |
Bensthename |
Apr-14-08 09:01 AM |
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He RAISED THE ISSUE. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:12 AM |
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he raised the issue in a private meeting in San Fran |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Apr-14-08 11:06 AM |
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Is ANYTHING off the record anymore? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:27 AM |
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yea I know what you mean |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Apr-14-08 12:20 PM |
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He didn't have to. And I'm certain he didn't mean to. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:23 PM |
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Its not the money as much.. |
kenfrequed |
Apr-14-08 12:04 PM |
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A few things.... |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-14-08 12:07 PM |
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yeah. what you said. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Apr-14-08 09:02 AM |
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Let McCain handle the guns. He shoots from the hip. |
datopbanana |
Apr-14-08 09:04 AM |
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Hello and welcome to DU and |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Apr-14-08 09:14 AM |
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Mark my words: he won't have to say ANYTHING. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:15 AM |
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from a historical perspective |
WannaJumpMyScooter |
Apr-14-08 09:06 AM |
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You said it...I didn't. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:15 AM |
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Controllings Guns in U.S. Cities - Today - Monday on C-SPAN3 at 2pm ET |
Breeze54 |
Apr-14-08 09:07 AM |
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Not a good path to go down. That's for sure. |
susankh4 |
Apr-14-08 09:07 AM |
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The dangerous third rail of truth? |
Kristi1696 |
Apr-14-08 09:08 AM |
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When the fuck was this campaign about TRUTH? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:17 AM |
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This is a fact. |
JoFerret |
Apr-14-08 09:31 AM |
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Thank you. NICE to hear someone other than me say it out loud. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:32 AM |
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But the amazing thing is |
JoFerret |
Apr-14-08 10:37 AM |
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They've addressed all of these issues--and cowardice is failed politics |
CK dexter |
Apr-14-08 09:40 AM |
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Or...put up with McCain. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:54 AM |
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The only hope is to change the damned system. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 10:04 AM |
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That wasn't the position that was (unwittingly, perhaps) taken '94-'04. |
benEzra |
Apr-14-08 05:38 PM |
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The two that were actually addressing those very important issues were kicked to the curb. |
Blue State Native |
Apr-14-08 10:43 AM |
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And thank you too! |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:11 AM |
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Haven't been paying attention, have you? |
damonm |
Apr-14-08 01:04 PM |
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AND, in my not so humble opinion, both have done a piss poor job. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:27 PM |
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The minute Obama goes off script he always gets into trouble. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-14-08 09:10 AM |
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YA. ALWAYS!! 2 or 3 times during 15 months of campaign is 1 to 5 times TOO MANY! |
datopbanana |
Apr-14-08 12:26 PM |
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3 occurances at 2 weeks wasted each...6 weeks. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:39 PM |
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well it depends. is the third rail inbetween rails 1 and 2 or is it lateral to either rail 1 or 2 |
datopbanana |
Apr-14-08 09:10 AM |
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Oh give it a rest, you literalist. n/t |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:17 AM |
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Now I don't have to agree with your negative assessment of Obama's |
nomad1776 |
Apr-14-08 09:13 AM |
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This just didn't have to come up. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:24 AM |
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It was more like grabbing four "third rails" simultaneously |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-14-08 09:15 AM |
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Hey, this should cheer you up! He doesn't believe any of those things. Don't buy into spin. |
datopbanana |
Apr-14-08 09:17 AM |
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Who cares what Clinton or Obama BELIEVE? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:27 AM |
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im right there with you... |
datopbanana |
Apr-14-08 09:35 AM |
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Most people obsessed over the issue but don't |
mmonk |
Apr-14-08 09:19 AM |
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Whatever you say, boss. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:31 AM |
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And Hillary held his arm to the track, instead of helping him out |
Armstead |
Apr-14-08 09:36 AM |
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His choice wasn't POOR, it was FUCKING STUPID. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:44 AM |
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I am not referring to the fence sitters and independents |
Armstead |
Apr-14-08 11:11 AM |
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Which is what he should have done, and didn't do. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:13 AM |
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I wish we could take back the last few days |
Armstead |
Apr-14-08 11:22 AM |
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And Obama would have been an Idiot not to jump on it if Clinton said it. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:25 AM |
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I don;t think EITHER of them should deliberatly help the GOP that way |
Armstead |
Apr-14-08 11:52 AM |
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The both have done this before; this is not a "first" |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:57 AM |
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I wish I was as much of an idiot as Obama |
Armstead |
Apr-14-08 12:06 PM |
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You may be saying that in the minority in November. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:10 PM |
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In a nutshell... |
Armstead |
Apr-14-08 12:16 PM |
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I don't think Obama or Clinton see the other camp as "..your own troops..." |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:21 PM |
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It can be ignored by Hillary -- That's how it should be responded to by her |
Armstead |
Apr-14-08 01:08 PM |
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As I said, I don't think either side sees the "other" as "theirs".... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:22 PM |
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No - it must NOT be agreed upon. |
OhioBlue |
Apr-14-08 09:40 AM |
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Keep it up. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:48 AM |
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let them read my comments |
OhioBlue |
Apr-14-08 03:04 PM |
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Mistake or not, its minor due to the fact that he handles it amazingly and makes it work for him |
Political Heretic |
Apr-14-08 09:53 AM |
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Oh, everything he does is just so amazing isn't it? |
Hoof Hearted |
Apr-14-08 11:53 AM |
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Not everything, but enough so that he is winning. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-14-08 02:17 PM |
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The objective voice of Tyler Durden. |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-14-08 09:53 AM |
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#'s 33 and 34? You're on IGNORE and I can't read you. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 09:57 AM |
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Is this in reference to his bitter comments? |
smiley_glad_hands |
Apr-14-08 10:44 AM |
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The GUN portion of his comments. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:15 AM |
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Yeah -- I know the gun nuts in my neighborhood are taking down their Obama signs |
nichomachus |
Apr-14-08 10:51 AM |
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If you can't be objective about a serious problem.... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:17 AM |
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Uh, do you even read your own trash? |
Drunken Irishman |
Apr-14-08 11:19 AM |
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Actually, they are making excuses. and so much for you. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:22 AM |
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I'll return the favor. |
Drunken Irishman |
Apr-14-08 11:46 AM |
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What part of "IGNORED" didn't you get? n/t |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:58 AM |
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Cheerlead??? |
nichomachus |
Apr-14-08 11:25 AM |
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"Yeah -- I know the gun nuts in my neighborhood are taking down their Obama signs" |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:32 AM |
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Not a candidate thread? Then, why is Obama's name in the title? |
nichomachus |
Apr-14-08 11:36 AM |
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Because it wasn't "an unknown Democratic Candidate." |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:41 AM |
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But she did push all those buttons -- just in different ways |
nichomachus |
Apr-14-08 11:50 AM |
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And as I said, if Clinton had said it and Obama had not replied... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:53 AM |
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he didn't just stick his foot in his mouth |
paulk |
Apr-14-08 10:55 AM |
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He might pull out the "religion" bit...but the guns? Never. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:19 AM |
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All that pandering to the fundies gone to waste |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-14-08 01:11 PM |
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Whatever one says, it cost us time and money from both campaigns. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:28 PM |
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He didnt say anything that we dont believe. And was said in private. |
Bensthename |
Apr-14-08 11:11 AM |
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No, he just said it in the middle of a dangerous campaign, in public. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:21 AM |
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It was not in public. It was a private meeting with a Clinton/Rove decoy sitting in to record it. |
Bensthename |
Apr-14-08 11:39 AM |
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Saying "Rove" in regard to one of the candidates is on Skinner's list. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:42 AM |
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rephrase it? No, I think it was accurate. |
Bensthename |
Apr-14-08 11:58 AM |
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I'm just sorry you felt the need to say it in the first place. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:01 PM |
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Agreed. |
Bensthename |
Apr-14-08 12:11 PM |
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Well.....Let's see..... |
cliffordu |
Apr-14-08 11:27 AM |
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Well...Let's see.... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:35 AM |
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Awright, I can go with that. |
cliffordu |
Apr-14-08 12:10 PM |
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Excellent. Now how do we talk the chief "Head Cases" into keeping trap SHUT? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:14 PM |
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he reinforced the idea that the dems are anti-gun, anti-god and think they are racist xenophobes |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-14-08 11:29 AM |
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Strike three. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 11:37 AM |
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Valid points. It was a completely unnecessary sideshow. |
rug |
Apr-14-08 11:44 AM |
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And now it's back out of the "Midway Freak Show" and back in "Center Ring." |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:07 PM |
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this is a change election...That won't fly this time. I discount your judgment... |
wowimthere |
Apr-14-08 12:00 PM |
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You don't live in Michigan, Florida, New York, California..... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:04 PM |
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it doesn't matter where I live... I'm looking at the candidates and this race isn't close... |
wowimthere |
Apr-14-08 12:18 PM |
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The media is leading you down a dark alley! Caucus states still go to the Convention... |
wowimthere |
Apr-14-08 12:22 PM |
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Whatever you say.... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 12:28 PM |
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the comments weren't stupid...they were true and the issues should be the economy and health care |
wowimthere |
Apr-14-08 12:35 PM |
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I'm certain you can volunteer to steer the country's opinion. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:30 PM |
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I laughed really hard at this sentence. |
Alter Ego |
Apr-14-08 12:24 PM |
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Unfortunately true, isn't it? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:31 PM |
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The funny thing is... He told the truth... No one is taking away the 2nd amendment |
wowimthere |
Apr-14-08 12:33 PM |
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You need to stop thinking "Clinton." She didn't say it. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:34 PM |
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Is someone gonna try to take away my gun? |
goldcanyonaz |
Apr-14-08 01:25 PM |
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You aren't stupid enough to believe someone will, are you? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:36 PM |
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Gun Control. Stupidest. Plank. Ever. nt |
billyoc |
Apr-14-08 01:33 PM |
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You're fuckin' "A" right. |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:37 PM |
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Many guns owners loathe the idea of Chicago-style or Illinois style gun control going national |
aikoaiko |
Apr-14-08 01:43 PM |
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EXACTLY. So why did he have to say ANYTHING? |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-14-08 01:47 PM |
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It's ok |
sudopod |
Apr-14-08 01:54 PM |
#125 |
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Big mistake to take on the gun-owners across the country... |
hayu_lol |
Apr-14-08 02:30 PM |
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We've got to be honest here. |
sudopod |
Apr-14-08 02:46 PM |
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If it does, then the House and Senate will turn red. Again. |
benEzra |
Apr-14-08 09:19 PM |
#139 |
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