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13. Now I don't have to agree with your negative assessment of Obama's
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  -Whoever you support, it must be agreed that Sen. Obama GRABBED the "third rail." Tyler Durden  Apr-14-08 08:58 AM   #0 
  - The "gun" issue always comes back to bite us in the ass  leftofcool   Apr-14-08 09:00 AM   #1 
  - Many Democrats own guns. They just don't build shrines for them. n/t  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-14-08 09:07 AM   #8 
     - And....this matters how?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:36 AM   #27 
     - Obama's not going to have a problem with this.  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 10:51 AM   #42 
        - I'm not the one you have to convince...  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:29 AM   #60 
        - he has a LONG record of voting for gun control. And this problem is HUGE.  Texas Hill Country   Apr-14-08 11:30 AM   #62 
        - Even most gun owners are in favor of some kinds of gun control, obviously.  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 02:02 PM   #127 
        - Newsflash - he's ALREADY got a problem with this.  Hoof Hearted   Apr-14-08 11:39 AM   #67 
        - I think you're wrong. Time will tell.  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 11:48 AM   #73 
        - You think I'm wrong that he has an issue with gun owners? Really?  Hoof Hearted   Apr-14-08 12:42 PM   #104 
           - I think it is an issue that can be overcome, yes.  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 12:44 PM   #105 
              - That was not the POINT.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:25 PM   #110 
                 - The point he was making was valid, if "inartful" -- which is that issues like guns and religion  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 01:39 PM   #121 
                 - "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:43 PM   #123 
                    - I don't understand why you are fixated on this.  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 01:56 PM   #126 
                 - A question  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 02:06 PM   #128 
        - Shit, I had no ideas.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:05 PM   #85 
        - Wrong, the gun issue has cost dems election in the past  Craftsman   Apr-14-08 02:23 PM   #130 
           - Yeah, but that was the past. I don't think it's going to happen this time.  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 02:33 PM   #132 
              - Why?  Craftsman   Apr-14-08 03:32 PM   #135 
                 - Because neither guns nor gun owners is the enemy.  Voice for Peace   Apr-14-08 03:43 PM   #136 
     - But we sure as hell don't want our guns banned, either. (n/t)  benEzra   Apr-14-08 05:34 PM   #137 
  - At least he showed that he knows people value their gun rights..  Bensthename   Apr-14-08 09:01 AM   #2 
  - He RAISED THE ISSUE.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:12 AM   #12 
  - he raised the issue in a private meeting in San Fran  Scriptor Ignotus   Apr-14-08 11:06 AM   #44 
  - Is ANYTHING off the record anymore?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:27 AM   #58 
     - yea I know what you mean  Scriptor Ignotus   Apr-14-08 12:20 PM   #95 
        - He didn't have to. And I'm certain he didn't mean to.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:23 PM   #98 
  - Its not the money as much..  kenfrequed   Apr-14-08 12:04 PM   #84 
  - A few things....  Texas Hill Country   Apr-14-08 12:07 PM   #88 
  - yeah. what you said.  Tuesday Afternoon   Apr-14-08 09:02 AM   #3 
  - Let McCain handle the guns. He shoots from the hip.  datopbanana   Apr-14-08 09:04 AM   #4 
     - Hello and welcome to DU and  Tuesday Afternoon   Apr-14-08 09:14 AM   #14 
     - Mark my words: he won't have to say ANYTHING.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:15 AM   #15 
  - from a historical perspective  WannaJumpMyScooter   Apr-14-08 09:06 AM   #5 
  - You said it...I didn't.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:15 AM   # 
  - Controllings Guns in U.S. Cities - Today - Monday on C-SPAN3 at 2pm ET  Breeze54   Apr-14-08 09:07 AM   #6 
  - Not a good path to go down. That's for sure.  susankh4   Apr-14-08 09:07 AM   #7 
  - The dangerous third rail of truth?  Kristi1696   Apr-14-08 09:08 AM   #9 
  - When the fuck was this campaign about TRUTH?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:17 AM   #17 
     - This is a fact.  JoFerret   Apr-14-08 09:31 AM   #23 
     - Thank you. NICE to hear someone other than me say it out loud.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:32 AM   #25 
        - But the amazing thing is  JoFerret   Apr-14-08 10:37 AM   #38 
     - They've addressed all of these issues--and cowardice is failed politics  CK dexter   Apr-14-08 09:40 AM   #30 
     - Or...put up with McCain.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:54 AM   #35 
     - The only hope is to change the damned system.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 10:04 AM   #37 
     - That wasn't the position that was (unwittingly, perhaps) taken '94-'04.  benEzra   Apr-14-08 05:38 PM   #138 
     - The two that were actually addressing those very important issues were kicked to the curb.  Blue State Native   Apr-14-08 10:43 AM   #39 
     - And thank you too!  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:11 AM   #46 
     - Haven't been paying attention, have you?  damonm   Apr-14-08 01:04 PM   #106 
        - AND, in my not so humble opinion, both have done a piss poor job.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:27 PM   #112 
  - The minute Obama goes off script he always gets into trouble.  The_Casual_Observer   Apr-14-08 09:10 AM   #10 
  - YA. ALWAYS!! 2 or 3 times during 15 months of campaign is 1 to 5 times TOO MANY!  datopbanana   Apr-14-08 12:26 PM   #100 
     - 3 occurances at 2 weeks wasted each...6 weeks.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:39 PM   #120 
  - well it depends. is the third rail inbetween rails 1 and 2 or is it lateral to either rail 1 or 2  datopbanana   Apr-14-08 09:10 AM   #11 
  - Oh give it a rest, you literalist. n/t  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:17 AM   #18 
  - Now I don't have to agree with your negative assessment of Obama's  nomad1776   Apr-14-08 09:13 AM   #13 
  - This just didn't have to come up.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:24 AM   #21 
  - It was more like grabbing four "third rails" simultaneously  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-14-08 09:15 AM   #16 
  - Hey, this should cheer you up! He doesn't believe any of those things. Don't buy into spin.  datopbanana   Apr-14-08 09:17 AM   #19 
     - Who cares what Clinton or Obama BELIEVE?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:27 AM   #22 
        - im right there with you...  datopbanana   Apr-14-08 09:35 AM   #26 
  - Most people obsessed over the issue but don't  mmonk   Apr-14-08 09:19 AM   #20 
  - Whatever you say, boss.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:31 AM   #24 
  - And Hillary held his arm to the track, instead of helping him out  Armstead   Apr-14-08 09:36 AM   #28 
  - His choice wasn't POOR, it was FUCKING STUPID.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:44 AM   #31 
     - I am not referring to the fence sitters and independents  Armstead   Apr-14-08 11:11 AM   #45 
        - Which is what he should have done, and didn't do.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:13 AM   #48 
           - I wish we could take back the last few days  Armstead   Apr-14-08 11:22 AM   #54 
              - And Obama would have been an Idiot not to jump on it if Clinton said it.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:25 AM   #56 
                 - I don;t think EITHER of them should deliberatly help the GOP that way  Armstead   Apr-14-08 11:52 AM   #75 
                    - The both have done this before; this is not a "first"  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:57 AM   #78 
                       - I wish I was as much of an idiot as Obama  Armstead   Apr-14-08 12:06 PM   #86 
                          - You may be saying that in the minority in November.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:10 PM   #90 
                             - In a nutshell...  Armstead   Apr-14-08 12:16 PM   #93 
                                - I don't think Obama or Clinton see the other camp as "..your own troops..."  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:21 PM   #96 
                                   - It can be ignored by Hillary -- That's how it should be responded to by her  Armstead   Apr-14-08 01:08 PM   #107 
                                      - As I said, I don't think either side sees the "other" as "theirs"....  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:22 PM   #109 
  - No - it must NOT be agreed upon.  OhioBlue   Apr-14-08 09:40 AM   #29 
  - Keep it up.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:48 AM   #32 
     - let them read my comments  OhioBlue   Apr-14-08 03:04 PM   #134 
  - Mistake or not, its minor due to the fact that he handles it amazingly and makes it work for him  Political Heretic   Apr-14-08 09:53 AM   #33 
  - Oh, everything he does is just so amazing isn't it?  Hoof Hearted   Apr-14-08 11:53 AM   #77 
     - Not everything, but enough so that he is winning.  Political Heretic   Apr-14-08 02:17 PM   #129 
  - The objective voice of Tyler Durden.  Buzz Clik   Apr-14-08 09:53 AM   #34 
  - #'s 33 and 34? You're on IGNORE and I can't read you.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 09:57 AM   #36 
  - Is this in reference to his bitter comments?  smiley_glad_hands   Apr-14-08 10:44 AM   #40 
  - The GUN portion of his comments.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:15 AM   #49 
  - Yeah -- I know the gun nuts in my neighborhood are taking down their Obama signs  nichomachus   Apr-14-08 10:51 AM   #41 
  - If you can't be objective about a serious problem....  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:17 AM   #50 
     - Uh, do you even read your own trash?  Drunken Irishman   Apr-14-08 11:19 AM   #52 
     - Actually, they are making excuses. and so much for you.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:22 AM   #55 
        - I'll return the favor.  Drunken Irishman   Apr-14-08 11:46 AM   #72 
        - What part of "IGNORED" didn't you get? n/t  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:58 AM   #80 
     - Cheerlead???  nichomachus   Apr-14-08 11:25 AM   #57 
        - "Yeah -- I know the gun nuts in my neighborhood are taking down their Obama signs"  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:32 AM   #63 
           - Not a candidate thread? Then, why is Obama's name in the title?  nichomachus   Apr-14-08 11:36 AM   #65 
              - Because it wasn't "an unknown Democratic Candidate."  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:41 AM   #69 
                 - But she did push all those buttons -- just in different ways  nichomachus   Apr-14-08 11:50 AM   #74 
                    - And as I said, if Clinton had said it and Obama had not replied...  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:53 AM   #76 
  - he didn't just stick his foot in his mouth  paulk   Apr-14-08 10:55 AM   #43 
  - He might pull out the "religion" bit...but the guns? Never.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:19 AM   #51 
  - All that pandering to the fundies gone to waste  Lilith Velkor   Apr-14-08 01:11 PM   #108 
     - Whatever one says, it cost us time and money from both campaigns.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:28 PM   #113 
  - He didnt say anything that we dont believe. And was said in private.  Bensthename   Apr-14-08 11:11 AM   #47 
  - No, he just said it in the middle of a dangerous campaign, in public.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:21 AM   #53 
     - It was not in public. It was a private meeting with a Clinton/Rove decoy sitting in to record it.  Bensthename   Apr-14-08 11:39 AM   #68 
        - Saying "Rove" in regard to one of the candidates is on Skinner's list.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:42 AM   #70 
           - rephrase it? No, I think it was accurate.  Bensthename   Apr-14-08 11:58 AM   #79 
              - I'm just sorry you felt the need to say it in the first place.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:01 PM   #82 
                 - Agreed.  Bensthename   Apr-14-08 12:11 PM   #91 
  - Well.....Let's see.....  cliffordu   Apr-14-08 11:27 AM   #59 
  - Well...Let's see....  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:35 AM   #64 
     - Awright, I can go with that.  cliffordu   Apr-14-08 12:10 PM   #89 
        - Excellent. Now how do we talk the chief "Head Cases" into keeping trap SHUT?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:14 PM   #92 
  - he reinforced the idea that the dems are anti-gun, anti-god and think they are racist xenophobes  Texas Hill Country   Apr-14-08 11:29 AM   #61 
  - Strike three.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 11:37 AM   #66 
  - Valid points. It was a completely unnecessary sideshow.  rug   Apr-14-08 11:44 AM   #71 
  - And now it's back out of the "Midway Freak Show" and back in "Center Ring."  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:07 PM   #87 
  - this is a change election...That won't fly this time. I discount your judgment...  wowimthere   Apr-14-08 12:00 PM   #81 
  - You don't live in Michigan, Florida, New York, California.....  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:04 PM   #83 
     - it doesn't matter where I live... I'm looking at the candidates and this race isn't close...  wowimthere   Apr-14-08 12:18 PM   #94 
        - The media is leading you down a dark alley! Caucus states still go to the Convention...  wowimthere   Apr-14-08 12:22 PM   #97 
           - Whatever you say....  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 12:28 PM   #101 
              - the comments weren't stupid...they were true and the issues should be the economy and health care  wowimthere   Apr-14-08 12:35 PM   #103 
                 - I'm certain you can volunteer to steer the country's opinion.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:30 PM   #114 
  - I laughed really hard at this sentence.  Alter Ego   Apr-14-08 12:24 PM   #99 
  - Unfortunately true, isn't it?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:31 PM   #115 
  - The funny thing is... He told the truth... No one is taking away the 2nd amendment  wowimthere   Apr-14-08 12:33 PM   #102 
  - You need to stop thinking "Clinton." She didn't say it.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:34 PM   #117 
  - Is someone gonna try to take away my gun?  goldcanyonaz   Apr-14-08 01:25 PM   #111 
  - You aren't stupid enough to believe someone will, are you?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:36 PM   #118 
  - Gun Control. Stupidest. Plank. Ever. nt  billyoc   Apr-14-08 01:33 PM   #116 
  - You're fuckin' "A" right.  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:37 PM   #119 
  - Many guns owners loathe the idea of Chicago-style or Illinois style gun control going national  aikoaiko   Apr-14-08 01:43 PM   #122 
  - EXACTLY. So why did he have to say ANYTHING?  Tyler Durden   Apr-14-08 01:47 PM   #124 
  - It's ok  sudopod   Apr-14-08 01:54 PM   #125 
     - Big mistake to take on the gun-owners across the country...  hayu_lol   Apr-14-08 02:30 PM   #131 
        - We've got to be honest here.  sudopod   Apr-14-08 02:46 PM   #133 
           - If it does, then the House and Senate will turn red. Again.  benEzra   Apr-14-08 09:19 PM   #139 
 

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