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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:55 PM
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15. Hey sound-biter, here's the full story
This was just added to the Huffington Post article that started this mess:

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing. ...

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  -Clinton promises to help small town voters, not insult them OzarkDem  Apr-11-08 07:40 PM   #0 
  - Wow--she said the same thing he did  Gore1FL   Apr-11-08 07:46 PM   #1 
  - No, she didn't insult them  OzarkDem   Apr-11-08 07:56 PM   #16 
  - Neither did Obama  Gore1FL   Apr-11-08 08:12 PM   #28 
  - he called them bitter-hillary said they were:are resilient, optimistic, positive. hard working  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 08:37 PM   #37 
  - And that is an insult?  Gore1FL   Apr-11-08 09:11 PM   #66 
     - Hillary's recognition is one of hope, Obama's is one of despair  rodeodance   Apr-12-08 06:52 AM   #106 
        - How so?  Gore1FL   Apr-12-08 09:56 AM   #113 
  - He said they were "bitter" and so "they cling to guns or religion  DemBones DemBones   Apr-11-08 09:59 PM   #85 
     - Well let's think about it...  Gore1FL   Apr-12-08 12:36 AM   #90 
  - No, she just prefers to insult Obama supporters for believing in his message.  Eric Condon   Apr-11-08 08:15 PM   #31 
  - poor wittle folk. she said nothing about you folks . stop crying and lying  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 08:40 PM   #45 
     - Not sure what you are talking about... but  Gore1FL   Apr-11-08 09:23 PM   #69 
     - I am sure of one thing--You do not know Hillary's polices and do NOT know what you are talking about  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 09:45 PM   #73 
        - Then please be specific.  Gore1FL   Apr-11-08 09:48 PM   #78 
           - do your own work.  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 09:52 PM   #79 
              - I have  Gore1FL   Apr-11-08 10:05 PM   #87 
                 - you ASSume wrong  rodeodance   Apr-12-08 06:53 AM   #108 
                    - Then meet the challege  Gore1FL   Apr-12-08 09:57 AM   #114 
     - Oh, how quickly we forget.  Eric Condon   Apr-12-08 09:54 AM   #112 
  - this is interesting. they have been dead for 25 years. that includes  roguevalley   Apr-12-08 02:19 PM   #123 
  - There is no comparison...  Ilithiad   Apr-11-08 09:55 PM   #81 
     - She believe them to be so  Gore1FL   Apr-12-08 12:38 AM   #93 
  - Remind Us Again: How Many States Don't Count?  MannyGoldstein   Apr-11-08 07:46 PM   #2 
  - Touche  otohara   Apr-12-08 12:42 AM   #95 
  - SPAM  rodeodance   Apr-12-08 06:52 AM   #107 
  - yeah, just like her husband didn't help them  nomad1776   Apr-11-08 07:47 PM   #3 
  - Showing your ignorance again  OzarkDem   Apr-11-08 07:59 PM   #20 
     - And how did the HUGE economic matter Bill deep-sixed called BCCI end up effecting America, O D?  blm   Apr-11-08 08:13 PM   #29 
     - What happened?  susankh4   Apr-12-08 06:07 AM   #101 
        - Really? So you think deep-sixing BCCI matters was the right move to make for Bill?  blm   Apr-12-08 06:10 PM   #128 
     - If they were helped so much then  Gore1FL   Apr-11-08 08:14 PM   #30 
     - Show ME !!!  galloglas   Apr-11-08 09:20 PM   #67 
     - Show me too  Gore1FL   Apr-12-08 12:40 AM   #94 
     - Nice try there spanky, but my easily knowledge dwarfs your own puny offering  nomad1776   Apr-11-08 09:31 PM   #70 
  - Hillary going to get a 'response' for her stupid ass'd retort. Her NAFTA support didn't help those  uponit7771   Apr-11-08 07:47 PM   #4 
  - Help them by voting to send their kids to war and making it harder for them to save their homes  BeyondGeography   Apr-11-08 07:47 PM   #5 
  - $109 million worth of help?  azmouse   Apr-11-08 07:48 PM   #6 
  - By Shipping Their Jobs To Colombia?  Yavin4   Apr-11-08 07:48 PM   #7 
  - Wrong again, aren't you.  OzarkDem   Apr-11-08 08:00 PM   #21 
     - yeah...  Gore1FL   Apr-12-08 12:42 AM   #96 
     - Faulty Construction is the answer  galloglas   Apr-12-08 02:26 PM   #125 
  - gad, she has no dignity or integrity  cali   Apr-11-08 07:50 PM   #8 
  - Obama calls them bitter: while hillary says they are hardworking, positive. --  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 08:41 PM   #50 
     - the person who was honest  cali   Apr-11-08 10:15 PM   #89 
  - Clinton supporters promise to misrepresent truth as something defamatory!  BushDespiser12   Apr-11-08 07:51 PM   #9 
  - Clinton promises to return to her job in New York...but will she?  Imagevision   Apr-11-08 07:52 PM   #10 
  - why is it that Hillary and McSame work together? Odd their advisors work for same firm  WillYourVoteBCounted   Apr-11-08 07:53 PM   #11 
  - She'll help those small town voters, I'm sure...  OhioChick   Apr-11-08 07:53 PM   #12 
  - The only "insult" is HRC and her surrogates underestimation of the American Voters' Intelligence.  ShortnFiery   Apr-11-08 07:53 PM   #13 
  - by setting back Universal health care again? 2 times wasnt' enough in the 90's?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Apr-11-08 07:54 PM   #14 
  - Poor things, I really feel sorry for you  OzarkDem   Apr-11-08 08:03 PM   #23 
  - Newt said the same. You are using RW talking points.  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 09:46 PM   #74 
  - Hey sound-biter, here's the full story  thevoiceofreason   Apr-11-08 07:55 PM   #15 
  - Start with the truth Hillary  C_U_L8R   Apr-11-08 07:56 PM   #17 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-11-08 08:01 PM   #22 
  - Too bad she won't get the chance, the fucking no-good liar. Bwaaahhaaaaaaa!!  Bigleaf   Apr-11-08 07:57 PM   #18 
  - She is a complete disgrace.  NJSecularist   Apr-11-08 07:58 PM   #19 
  - Ha! She's been insulting not just voters, but entire states, from day one.  No Surrender   Apr-11-08 08:05 PM   #24 
  - What a waste. To think I've defended them. Live & learn I guess.  KAZ   Apr-11-08 08:05 PM   #25 
  - Unless they live in a state that doesn't count.  Starbucks Anarchist   Apr-11-08 08:06 PM   #26 
  - asdf  lander   Apr-11-08 08:08 PM   #27 
  - She should be giving those folks  spokane   Apr-11-08 08:17 PM   #32 
  - And Obama can give them some of the billions he made  OzarkDem   Apr-11-08 08:19 PM   #33 
     - LOL...insane much?  Forkboy   Apr-11-08 08:21 PM   #34 
     - Nuh uh, he made a ja-jillion dollars  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-11-08 09:44 PM   #72 
     - You really can be annoying  spokane   Apr-11-08 08:23 PM   #35 
     - don't bogart that joint.  onenote   Apr-11-08 08:37 PM   #39 
     - Stop mixing your prescriptions, please.  JeffR   Apr-11-08 08:40 PM   #46 
     - Billions? Now you're trying to make yourself look stupid.  KAZ   Apr-11-08 08:40 PM   #48 
     - wow! got some proof to back that up?  madrchsod   Apr-11-08 08:43 PM   #52 
     - If your comedy routine ever comes to Chicago please PM me.  No Surrender   Apr-11-08 08:46 PM   #56 
     - Link?  NanceGreggs   Apr-11-08 08:52 PM   #59 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-11-08 09:06 PM   #65 
     - I don't usually jump into  laylah   Apr-12-08 06:38 AM   #104 
  - THAT'S how to do it  JoFerret   Apr-11-08 08:28 PM   #36 
  - i meet so many "optimistic" "positive" people who are paying $3.75 for gas  onenote   Apr-11-08 08:37 PM   #38 
  - 4 in chicago today  madrchsod   Apr-11-08 08:39 PM   #44 
  - it`s a yellow brick road!  madrchsod   Apr-11-08 08:38 PM   #40 
  - Not bitter?  TLM   Apr-11-08 08:38 PM   # 
  - Right on Hillary---they are not bitter-! they are hard working, resilient. positive!  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 08:38 PM   #41 
  - YEAH!!! HRC should stand up and tear this little document to shreds  onenote   Apr-11-08 08:43 PM   #53 
     - because people are having rough times does not mean they are bitter.  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 08:47 PM   #57 
        - HRC says people are "optimistic" "positive" --  onenote   Apr-11-08 08:49 PM   #58 
        - Do you know what the word bitter means?  TLM   Apr-11-08 09:02 PM   #64 
           - eat your popcorn--your post is silly  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 09:43 PM   #71 
  - REC  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 08:38 PM   #42 
  - Checkmate for Obama  kevinmc   Apr-11-08 08:39 PM   #43 
  - DAMN! This guy doesn't miss a beat...  TLM   Apr-11-08 08:54 PM   #60 
  - BRUTAL comeback.  Elrond Hubbard   Apr-12-08 12:46 AM   #98 
  - im small town  mkultra   Apr-11-08 08:40 PM   #47 
  - Listen to her clip  BlueIdaho   Apr-11-08 08:41 PM   #49 
  - It's Obama who is full of condescension-for the voters of PA.  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 08:46 PM   #55 
     - How exactly were his comments condescending?  TLM   Apr-11-08 08:56 PM   #62 
        - They weren't.... rodeo and other Clintonistas are manufacturing outrage again..  scheming daemons   Apr-11-08 09:54 PM   #80 
           - If we could harness the energy they use for faux outrage, we could wean the US  NYCGirl   Apr-12-08 12:45 AM   #97 
              - We certainly could do the faux outrage about tears and bookbags alone!  rodeodance   Apr-12-08 06:55 AM   #109 
                 - When your candidate chooses to play the victim of the big bad boys, them's  NYCGirl   Apr-12-08 08:09 AM   #111 
  - Hey, OD -- if you're close to anyone in the HRC campaign, you might send them this  onenote   Apr-11-08 08:42 PM   #51 
  - Your insulting my intelligence.  PerfectSage   Apr-11-08 08:45 PM   #54 
  - K & R!  AX10   Apr-11-08 08:55 PM   #61 
  - send her some money so she can pay her bills in those small towns she cares about so much, OK?  ima_sinnic   Apr-12-08 06:14 AM   #103 
  - I promise that I might oppose the Columbian deal  thevoiceofreason   Apr-11-08 09:01 PM   #63 
  - We need a president who blows sunshine up our asses, apparently.  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Apr-11-08 09:22 PM   #68 
  - Immature comment  rodeodance   Apr-11-08 09:48 PM   #76 
  - Uh-huh  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Apr-11-08 09:55 PM   #82 
     - It's like Cheney telling us about peace.  Forkboy   Apr-11-08 10:15 PM   #88 
  - No, just someone who can get the job done  OzarkDem   Apr-12-08 10:11 AM   #118 
  - And Obama will lift up small town voters by not insulting their intelligence with this nonsense.  AtomicKitten   Apr-11-08 09:47 PM   #75 
  - You miss the entire point... they HAVE been promised help for decades....  scheming daemons   Apr-11-08 09:48 PM   #77 
  - Absolutely!!!  GoldieAZ49   Apr-11-08 09:57 PM   #83 
  - That woman can say whatever she wants.  jefferson_dem   Apr-11-08 09:58 PM   #84 
  - The way she way gets sonething and runs with it  BrentTaylor   Apr-11-08 10:03 PM   #86 
  - She just insults their...and our...intelligence.  Elrond Hubbard   Apr-12-08 12:37 AM   #91 
  - lol. She totally proved Obama's point.  anonymous171   Apr-12-08 12:38 AM   #92 
  - if Hillary doesn't understand that people ARE bitter . . .  OneBlueSky   Apr-12-08 05:55 AM   #99 
  - Nice article.  susankh4   Apr-12-08 06:04 AM   #100 
  - She insults the electorate like Chimpy insulted them. She marginalizes their concerns  BushDespiser12   Apr-12-08 06:07 AM   #102 
  - LYER...  rodeodance   Apr-12-08 06:57 AM   #110 
     - IGNORAMUS...  BushDespiser12   Apr-12-08 02:22 PM   #124 
  - K&R  pecwae   Apr-12-08 06:39 AM   #105 
  - So....  Hepburn   Apr-12-08 09:59 AM   #115 
  - I think Hillary's comments show that she is totally out of touch with  pdxmom   Apr-12-08 10:01 AM   #116 
  - So helping bring jobs to people is "out of touch"?  OzarkDem   Apr-12-08 10:09 AM   #117 
     - Nice words....  Hepburn   Apr-12-08 10:12 AM   #119 
     - And exactly how is she doing that? By supporting NAFTA? Or maybe  pdxmom   Apr-12-08 10:15 AM   #120 
  - They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children," she said.  madrchsod   Apr-12-08 10:48 AM   #121 
  - Right.  yibbehobba   Apr-12-08 10:49 AM   #122 
  - As she actively campaigned to ship their jobs out of the county in the 90's  Citizen Kang   Apr-12-08 02:29 PM   #126 
  - Promises, promises, she knows she'll never keep. BFD.  No Surrender   Apr-12-08 02:32 PM   #127 

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