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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. Come again?
You are calling me bigoted against African Americans?
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  -"Any regrets about McClurkin, Sen. Obama?" "I tell you what . . . . " Bluebear  Apr-10-08 11:06 AM   #0 
  - Bluebear, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:08 AM   #1 
  - .  izzybeans   Apr-10-08 11:13 AM   #10 
  - Thank you. I understand the OP's position, but it is so out of proportion as to defy belief.  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:19 AM   #21 
     - He 'might' be pro-GLBT  maddiejoan   Apr-10-08 12:06 PM   #99 
     - Equivocation? You mean opposing DOMA and DADT isn't good enough?  TheWraith   Apr-10-08 01:11 PM   #122 
        - Read the interview  maddiejoan   Apr-10-08 01:13 PM   #123 
           - You want to read some more non-existant subtext?  TheWraith   Apr-10-08 01:23 PM   #126 
           - He did not  maddiejoan   Apr-10-08 01:25 PM   #127 
           - You give him a C+ to Hillary's B-?  XemaSab   Apr-10-08 02:34 PM   #132 
              - I gave Kucinich an A  maddiejoan   Apr-10-08 02:35 PM   #134 
                 - Dropped out to go start his own firm  XemaSab   Apr-10-08 03:00 PM   #135 
     - It's understandable that your main issue here  okasha   Apr-11-08 10:47 AM   #179 
  - That's exactly right. Perfect.  cliffordu   Apr-10-08 11:19 AM   #23 
  - Hmm.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:21 AM   #27 
     - Hmm??  cliffordu   Apr-10-08 11:24 AM   #38 
        - Thanks a bunch for that.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:25 AM   #41 
  - Thank you for this, you've said it well. -eom  Justitia   Apr-10-08 12:05 PM   #97 
  - Bonobo = reply of the day  knixphan   Apr-10-08 05:21 PM   #144 
  - Why thank you.  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 05:25 PM   #146 
  - Ah, THAT'S why I couldn't read it! lol  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 05:26 PM   #147 
     - lol!  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:29 PM   #155 
  - Right. hammer them gays back into their closets  JoFerret   Apr-10-08 08:47 PM   #162 
  - Here's another point of view  Bluenorthwest   Apr-11-08 09:24 AM   #173 
  - that particular bit of pandering has really, REALLY worked well. nt.  IndianaJones   Apr-10-08 11:09 AM   #2 
  - At least now it's clear this was no "misstep by a campaign worker",  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:10 AM   #4 
  - indeed -- he did edorce it -- and now he's patting it on the back. nt  xchrom   Apr-10-08 11:12 AM   #9 
  - I have always know that. It occured a month after a poll showed a large...  IndianaJones   Apr-10-08 11:27 AM   #46 
  - Disgusting pandering  JoFerret   Apr-10-08 08:48 PM   #164 
  - So you, like Bush, prefer to NOT talk to our enemies? Talking to bigots is a step in changing  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:10 AM   #3 
  - None of the bigots have changed, in any way,  ThatPoetGuy   Apr-10-08 11:17 AM   #18 
  - You have never known a homophobe to ease or get rid of their hatred?  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:20 AM   #24 
  - why don't you ask mcclurkin if his views have changed?  noiretblu   Apr-10-08 01:32 PM   #129 
  - Having a dialogue with them, telling them why homophobia is wrong, like Obama often does in Black  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:20 AM   #26 
     - I have not seen one intelectually honest reply to this question.  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:36 AM   #55 
        - I'm waiting, too.  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:38 AM   #61 
        - What question?  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:30 PM   #156 
  - Why talk to the enemy  knight_of_the_star   Apr-10-08 11:20 AM   # 
  - Do you agree with Bush that we shouldn't be talking to Iran?  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:21 AM   #31 
     - Apples to Oranges  knight_of_the_star   Apr-10-08 11:24 AM   #36 
        - Now THAT'S funny! Talking to Ahmadinejad is ok but talking to McClurkin isn't?  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:29 AM   #48 
           - Now you're REALLY twisting my words AND the truth  knight_of_the_star   Apr-10-08 11:32 AM   #50 
           - It's not apples and oranges. Leaving the fact that Ahmadinejad's a homophobe, he has also said  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:37 AM   #58 
              - No it is not  knight_of_the_star   Apr-10-08 12:02 PM   #91 
                 - Yes it is...  jenmito   Apr-10-08 12:06 PM   #98 
                    - Talking with one who has rocks in their heads is often a waste of time  knight_of_the_star   Apr-10-08 12:11 PM   #104 
                       - "I don't argue with cultists." I'm not a cultist and I'm WELL aware Obama's a mortal. So is  jenmito   Apr-10-08 12:21 PM   #113 
           - they kill people for being gay in Iran. nice to see that people have  roguevalley   Apr-10-08 12:26 PM   #114 
           - Exactly. n/t  jenmito   Apr-10-08 12:36 PM   #115 
           - lol - that IS funny  knixphan   Apr-10-08 05:23 PM   #145 
           - Who's talking to or with McClurkin?  Bluenorthwest   Apr-11-08 09:29 AM   #174 
  - but wasn't refusing to talk to his enemy the precise reason given  dsc   Apr-10-08 11:48 AM   #76 
  - Are you saying Obama is an enemy of gay people?  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:59 AM   #88 
     - No I am saying that the whole reason we are supposed to excuse his refusal to talk to that paper  dsc   Apr-10-08 04:10 PM   #139 
  - So we should compromise with bigots?  MNDemNY   Apr-10-08 01:00 PM   #119 
  - Who said anything about compromising with them?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Apr-10-08 01:28 PM   #128 
  - Thank you. I sure didn't.  jenmito   Apr-10-08 06:07 PM   #149 
  - Then why "talk" to them?  MNDemNY   Apr-11-08 09:40 AM   #175 
  - NO. We should NOT compromise with bigots, so your comprehension skills are ridiculous.  jenmito   Apr-10-08 06:06 PM   #148 
     - But "talking" to them is different?  MNDemNY   Apr-11-08 09:42 AM   #176 
  - Yes, I'm just like Bush. What a load of horseshit.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 01:06 PM   #121 
  - Your answer shows you ARE just like Bush. n/t  jenmito   Apr-10-08 06:10 PM   #150 
  - Talking to them is one thing.  dbaker41   Apr-10-08 04:28 PM   #140 
     - He's not pandering to them. You read his answer. Of course you don't believe it.  jenmito   Apr-10-08 06:11 PM   #151 
        - No, because anybody who's not drinking the Kool-Aid  dbaker41   Apr-11-08 10:08 AM   #178 
  - Until someone spent a lot of time talking with me, I was a bigot. nt  hedgehog   Apr-10-08 11:10 AM   #5 
  - ain't that right?  xchrom   Apr-10-08 11:11 AM   #6 
  - As mentioned, now we see Obama was well aware of this strategy.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:17 AM   #19 
     - lol -- cluck is exactly the right word. nt  xchrom   Apr-10-08 12:12 PM   #106 
  - Here is some reading material  izzybeans   Apr-10-08 11:11 AM   #7 
  - McClurkin is having a personal struggle. Why are you so bent of promoting division and hate? n/t  ProSense   Apr-10-08 11:11 AM   #8 
  - donnie is making big bank on his 'personal struggle' and actively persecuting lgbtiq folk. nt  xchrom   Apr-10-08 11:13 AM   #11 
  - And Hillary is paying someone a lot of money who does the same if not worse.  ProSense   Apr-10-08 11:20 AM   #25 
     - 'McClurkin isn't connected to his campaign in anyway' LOL  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:21 AM   #28 
     - obama PAID mcclurkin and now obama  xchrom   Apr-10-08 12:14 PM   #109 
  - Engaging people in conversation is a step in changing their bigoted views. n/t  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:13 AM   #12 
  - Why is this so hard to understand. We all have seen people make big changes...  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:21 AM   #30 
     - Exactly...  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:26 AM   #43 
  - Yeah, it's teh gays promoting hate, not poor, poor Rev. McClurkin.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:14 AM   #14 
  - " God you're an ass sometimes." Oh stuff it! This is a non issue except in your hate-filled mind. nt  ProSense   Apr-10-08 11:21 AM   #29 
  - Go spend a half hour making a link-filled thread that nobody will read.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:23 AM   #35 
     - "don't bother replying because you are finally going on ignore" afraid of dialogue, huh? n/t  ProSense   Apr-10-08 11:25 AM   #42 
     - Bluebear - that was wrong.  FLDem5   Apr-10-08 11:45 AM   #70 
        - Probably. Now tell the person involved they were wrong for calling me a hater & divider.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:55 AM   #84 
           - You called her an "ass"!  jenmito   Apr-10-08 12:02 PM   #92 
              - Well....  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:53 PM   #166 
  - ProSense never said that.  jenmito   Apr-10-08 11:31 AM   #49 
  - Do you hate McClurkin because of what he represents...  dchill   Apr-10-08 12:05 PM   #96 
     - I don't "hate" anybody.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 12:07 PM   #101 
        - You don't "hate" anybody.  dchill   Apr-10-08 12:54 PM   #118 
           - Sorry about the OP. It was from an article in the gay press, TODAY.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 01:02 PM   #120 
  - I really agree with you.  Truth Hurts A Lot   Apr-10-08 12:02 PM   #93 
     - Why should anyone sympathize with McClurkin?  Solon   Apr-10-08 03:19 PM   #136 
     - While he's going through his "struggle"  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:39 PM   #159 
  - Let's just continue to let people hate gays and gays to hate them back. That will solve everything.  malik flavors   Apr-10-08 11:14 AM   #13 
  - Putting a "God delivered me from homosexuality" sermon on stage helps that whole hate thing how?  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:16 AM   #16 
  - So you think that the media's crucifiction of Rev Wright who has confronted  grantcart   Apr-10-08 11:15 AM   #15 
  - This is not about Wright's "crucifiction". (Nice unintended misspell, though!) :)  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:16 AM   #17 
     - just got up and my spelling part of the brain is still in bed  grantcart   Apr-10-08 11:46 AM   #73 
        - Well.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:59 AM   #89 
           - the guy is in a pathetic state of self hated  grantcart   Apr-10-08 12:19 PM   #111 
  - scrape scrape scrape... that has to be trashing your nails  crankychatter   Apr-10-08 11:18 AM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-10-08 11:19 AM   #22 
  - He makes perfect sense and is speaking the truth. I'm sure that annoys you to no end.  kwenu   Apr-10-08 11:22 AM   #32 
  - Yes, I have a big reputation at DU for hating sense and truth.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:24 AM   #37 
     - As long as I've been here you've been exactly a hater of truth when it  kwenu   Apr-10-08 11:36 AM   #57 
        - I was and am a supporter of John Edwards, so you don't know what you're talking about.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:38 AM   #60 
           - LOL! Nice try. Edwards suspended his campaign. We know you're in Hillary's camp now.  kwenu   Apr-10-08 11:42 AM   #66 
              - I will vote for whoever the nominee is.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:48 AM   #77 
              - My candidate just gave you an answer in a GLBT magazine. It's your own link. Where is Hill?  kwenu   Apr-10-08 11:53 AM   #83 
                 - The answer could have been "Yes, I regret that some people were hurt by McClurkin's appearance..."  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:57 AM   #86 
                    - Yes. But he didn't say "we have to talk to bigots." Or even imply that.  kwenu   Apr-10-08 12:00 PM   #90 
                       - So much for a conversation.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 12:03 PM   #95 
                          - Check out my edit of the last response.  kwenu   Apr-10-08 12:12 PM   #107 
  - This is sad. No one ever reaches out enough for you.  madfloridian   Apr-10-08 11:22 AM   #33 
  - Yeah, I'm a real sad case, madfloridian.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:24 AM   #39 
  - I believe that there is some reverse bigotry going on.  madfloridian   Apr-10-08 11:36 AM   #56 
     - Come again?  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:38 AM   #59 
     - No, against those who do not exactly fit your definition ...  madfloridian   Apr-10-08 11:39 AM   #63 
        - No, I have no clue of what you mean, but whatever.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:46 AM   #72 
           - It's one thing to support your candidate, its another thing  kwenu   Apr-10-08 12:50 PM   #116 
     - Is that kinda like reverse racism that white folks complain about?  Solon   Apr-10-08 02:35 PM   #133 
  - ...  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:44 PM   #160 
  - Damn...he still just doesn't get it.  terrya   Apr-10-08 11:22 AM   #34 
  - OK. Respond to the issue of "how do you change people's minds without talking to them?"  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:25 AM   #40 
  - Yeah, like the GLBT community will be getting flowers from James Dobson tomorrow.  terrya   Apr-10-08 11:27 AM   #45 
  - You intentionally chose the most hateful and intractable homophobe to make your argument.  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:35 AM   #54 
  - Talking to homophobes is one thing...  Nabeshin   Apr-10-08 11:33 AM   #52 
     - "Willing to use bigotry to get votes". Do you really see it that way? Wow.  Bonobo   Apr-10-08 11:49 AM   #81 
        - And you don't? Wow...  Solon   Apr-10-08 09:18 PM   #171 
  - He gets it. And now we see he knew about this all along.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:26 AM   #44 
     - Wayne Besen has done a superb job investigating the "ex-gay" movement.  terrya   Apr-10-08 11:42 AM   #68 
        - You can't communicate it, because YOU will be the one called a "hater".  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:46 AM   #74 
  - Using GLBT issues as a wedge is typical for the Far Right. It's disgusting coming from the Left  cryingshame   Apr-10-08 11:28 AM   #47 
  - Exactly what I have argued America needs that conversation once it starts anything is possible.  cooolandrew   Apr-10-08 11:32 AM   #51 
  - Let's let David Duke lead the conversation about racism.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:34 AM   #53 
     - Complete idiocy! n/t  ProSense   Apr-10-08 11:39 AM   #62 
     - So, Obama is to gays as David Duke is to blacks?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Apr-10-08 01:33 PM   #130 
        - No McClurkin is  dsc   Apr-10-08 07:39 PM   #153 
  - I think his position is open and honest. I'm gay and will vote for Obama in a second.  SoonerPride   Apr-10-08 11:40 AM   #64 
  - Cue the "self-hatred" accusations in 5, 4, 3...  DarienComp   Apr-10-08 11:41 AM   #65 
  - Keep your rolly eyes and read my response, OK?  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:43 AM   #69 
     - Not really interested one way or another.  DarienComp   Apr-10-08 11:48 AM   #78 
        - I see.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:50 AM   #82 
  - Saying I have "hate" is tres lame.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:42 AM   #67 
  - So when is he going to reach out to the Klan?  QC   Apr-10-08 11:45 AM   #71 
  - If anything else, these threads are always a real eye opener. I can assure you, my friend...  IndianaJones   Apr-10-08 11:47 AM   #75 
  - Crystal clear. nt  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 11:49 AM   #79 
  - Obama/McClurkin 08!  BigDDem   Apr-10-08 11:49 AM   #80 
  - You're ridiculous.  Unsane   Apr-10-08 11:56 AM   #85 
  - actually, I took it as a justification for giving them a platform and bestowing legitimacy  Texas Hill Country   Apr-10-08 11:59 AM   #87 
  - Yep n/t  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:48 PM   #163 
  - so, i am a person, with full rights and privileges, but my enemy is not.  mopinko   Apr-10-08 12:03 PM   #94 
  - kick  samsingh   Apr-10-08 12:06 PM   #100 
  - Well shucks, why didn't you mention Obama's original quote about McClurkin?  zulchzulu   Apr-10-08 12:08 PM   #102 
  - Because I quoted, in full, his response to a question in the gay press, published today.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 12:09 PM   #103 
     - Like others have pointed out, nothing appears to satisfy your whims  zulchzulu   Apr-10-08 12:11 PM   #105 
        - You're really off my radar screen, but thanks anyhow.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 12:13 PM   #108 
           - Well then don't respond to me....mmkay?  zulchzulu   Apr-10-08 12:17 PM   #110 
              - He did *not* apologize, and this "I tell you what" is the freshest example possible.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 12:19 PM   #112 
  - Hillary is much worse with her DOMA triangulation.  yodermon   Apr-10-08 12:52 PM   #117 
  - Thank you for posting all of his comments in context.  Bucky   Apr-10-08 01:18 PM   #124 
  - Thank you. I don't buy, though, that putting someone onstage = "talking"  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 01:21 PM   #125 
  - ah, your 10 millionth mcdorkin post... congrats...  dionysus   Apr-10-08 02:22 PM   #131 
  - Ah, put me on ignore and I will do the same for you.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 05:14 PM   #143 
     - ignore is for wimps  dionysus   Apr-10-08 08:58 PM   #167 
  - No one believes Obama is against gays.  uponit7771   Apr-10-08 03:21 PM   #137 
  - So the Obama campaign is like a space for folks to express their hate?  Apollo11   Apr-10-08 03:25 PM   #138 
  - So if the McClurkin thing was justified (acc. to The O), then he ought to have the KKK on stage next  dbaker41   Apr-10-08 04:39 PM   #141 
  - Wow!!! That was great!! Finally, spoken to like adults, no pandering no promises  kdpeters   Apr-10-08 04:59 PM   #142 
  - What I find troubling  romana   Apr-10-08 07:13 PM   #152 
  - Wow...nice post. n/t  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:52 PM   #165 
  - He dances all around the question  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:26 PM   #154 
  - I don't see an answer to the question.  LWolf   Apr-10-08 08:37 PM   #157 
  - Exactly.  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 08:46 PM   #161 
     - What is clear now is that inviting McClurkin was Obama's strategy.  Bluebear   Apr-10-08 08:59 PM   #168 
        - Yeah, part of "the dialogue" n/t  goodgd_yall   Apr-10-08 09:06 PM   #169 
  - Only Obamites would call giving a platform to a bigot a positive thing  jackson_dem   Apr-10-08 08:37 PM   #158 
  - so it's OK if hillary 'reaches out' to Klan members? nt  VotesForWomen   Apr-10-08 09:12 PM   #170 
  - obamanation had better defend her if she does. nt  xchrom   Apr-10-08 10:57 PM   #172 
  - "I'll tell you what," People who hate Gays have more money to donate than The Gays do.  MethuenProgressive   Apr-11-08 10:00 AM   #177 

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