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Wed Apr-09-08 10:52 PM
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| 11. I'm not worried, the reasons are obvious and temporary. |
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PA is a Clinton state, so a lot of Dems are expressing hesitation about voting for Obama, so McCain's numbers look stronger. Clinton suffers from the same problem in Obama states, and both candidates are polling lower right now because of the infighting. When we have one candidate, either one (but hopefully Clinton!  ), our numbers will rise as people realize the choice is between McCain and someone else. That someone else will start to look good to everybody about then. Polls are not meaningless, as some try to argue. They are good sources of data. But this far out, they aren't good predictors of the general election. In 92 Bill Clinton was trailing Bush and Perot at this point. |
| -We are in deep doody. McCain leads Obama in PA (48%-41%) |
demasiado |
Apr-09-08 10:47 PM |
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Obama does not "need" PA or FL or OH |
SoCalDem |
Apr-09-08 10:49 PM |
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Any Democrat, Ma'am, Needs Pennsylvania And Ohio |
The Magistrate |
Apr-09-08 10:52 PM |
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It's like talking to a bunch of spell bound slaves or something, |
aquarius dawning |
Apr-09-08 10:54 PM |
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I think you could do better by referring to us as a "cargo cult"...just trying to help. |
Bongo Prophet |
Apr-10-08 04:34 AM |
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Pennsylvania yes, Ohio we could replace with New Mexico, Iowa, and Colorado |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-09-08 11:05 PM |
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So with Obama we trade one state in the "hope" he sweeps three small states that Kerry lost? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:21 PM |
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No we don't trade in Ohio, we compete on a larger map with more possibilities |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-09-08 11:27 PM |
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With Clinton we win Ohio. With Obama you are gambling away 20 electoral votes for three small states |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:35 PM |
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Once again, April does not = October |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-10-08 12:27 AM |
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50 States, not just the traditional blue ones |
Asgaya Dihi |
Apr-10-08 12:51 AM |
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we only need one |
MattNC |
Apr-09-08 11:06 PM |
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We need both if we are going to lose Florida and Obama is a joke in Florida |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:23 PM |
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um, he just explained why you don't need both.... |
loveangelc |
Apr-10-08 01:48 AM |
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Can you be a little more patronizing? What's up with "Ma'am" |
thevoiceofreason |
Apr-09-08 11:09 PM |
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That Would Take Effort, Sir.... |
The Magistrate |
Apr-09-08 11:16 PM |
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Fair enough! |
thevoiceofreason |
Apr-09-08 11:18 PM |
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Nothing personal, it's just the Magistrate's shtick. We like him here, sir! |
Bongo Prophet |
Apr-10-08 04:22 AM |
#91 |
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It's an affectation usually associated with the elderly raised in the South. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-10-08 07:37 AM |
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Indeed. But polls 7 months out |
cali |
Apr-10-08 04:47 AM |
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jesus, talk about the audacity of hope. More like the insanity of delusional thought processes. |
aquarius dawning |
Apr-09-08 10:52 PM |
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Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. |
Alter Ego |
Apr-10-08 07:23 AM |
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Let me tell you of what we get tired |
polmaven |
Apr-10-08 07:43 AM |
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Lol |
prodn2000 |
Apr-09-08 10:52 PM |
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Yeah, because he will win places like Utah, Idaho, Alabama, and Alaska |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 10:56 PM |
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He'll be lucky to win Missouri. |
aquarius dawning |
Apr-09-08 11:09 PM |
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He may not even win New Jersey and Massachussetts |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:16 PM |
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You conveniently forgot; Nebraska, Montana and North Dakota. |
goldcanyonaz |
Apr-09-08 11:15 PM |
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That's a bold statement |
demasiado |
Apr-09-08 10:57 PM |
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map |
SoCalDem |
Apr-09-08 11:02 PM |
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where'd you get that map? |
MattNC |
Apr-09-08 11:09 PM |
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Make your own for fun at |
SoCalDem |
Apr-09-08 11:14 PM |
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Obama is down 11 points in Virginia. Subtract that and he is down to 264 electoral votes |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:25 PM |
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This map assumes that we win Virginia which has happened twice in the past 60 years. |
aquarius dawning |
Apr-09-08 11:27 PM |
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I keep tellin ya, don't count on Michigan |
bain_sidhe |
Apr-09-08 11:32 PM |
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Of course, I have to add... |
bain_sidhe |
Apr-09-08 11:37 PM |
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Obama needs more than minority support to win. |
mac2 |
Apr-09-08 11:04 PM |
#30 |
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Obama can win with under 40% of the white vote like Mondale did. |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:26 PM |
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Then act like they aren't all devils. |
mac2 |
Apr-10-08 12:06 AM |
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Or MI, or .... |
OzarkDem |
Apr-09-08 11:10 PM |
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Nope.. he does need Michigan, and I really don't see Michiganders |
SoCalDem |
Apr-09-08 11:19 PM |
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I hope that your intention was to make a joke. |
Beacool |
Apr-10-08 12:55 AM |
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Uh, what elections have YOU been alive for?! These are must-haves! |
WinkyDink |
Apr-10-08 07:31 AM |
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McCain will lead both Obama and Clinton in MOST states until we have a GE candidate. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-09-08 10:50 PM |
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EXACTLY -- How come people don't understand this!!! |
quantass |
Apr-09-08 10:53 PM |
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Because society gives too much import to "up-to-the-minute" data. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-09-08 10:59 PM |
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Right. |
mac2 |
Apr-09-08 11:05 PM |
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McCain will lead either that are served up in the GE. That's valid. |
Neshanic |
Apr-09-08 11:08 PM |
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Ah, thank goodness a concern troll who joined today. |
thevoiceofreason |
Apr-09-08 10:51 PM |
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Don't sweat the small stuff! |
chill factor |
Apr-09-08 10:51 PM |
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Considering the media there, this is not a surprise. |
Capn Sunshine |
Apr-09-08 10:51 PM |
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Well, that's because Hillary hit him with the kitchen sink, lost, and won't leave the race. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-09-08 10:51 PM |
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Wrong. He doesn't lose as badly as Clinton in the red states and that boosts his national numbers |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:44 PM |
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The electoral college means squat in the primaries. You should know that. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-09-08 11:57 PM |
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Psst! you there |
Botany |
Apr-09-08 10:52 PM |
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Yes polls 6 months before the election are gospel |
Monty__ |
Apr-09-08 10:52 PM |
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Good point. The GOP has yet to touch O. He could be down 15 points in PA by the convention |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:27 PM |
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I'm not worried, the reasons are obvious and temporary. |
jobycom |
Apr-09-08 10:52 PM |
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People are finally starting to wake up & realize that only the Goddess of Peace can beat McCain |
mtnsnake |
Apr-09-08 10:52 PM |
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Randi Rhodes? |
Capn Sunshine |
Apr-09-08 10:54 PM |
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Randi was put on suspension for awhile by her station. |
mac2 |
Apr-09-08 11:06 PM |
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Randi Rhodes like Mike Malloy are gone from Air America |
mac2 |
Apr-10-08 08:44 AM |
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Yup. He is 10 points worse in PA than Hillary and the rethugs have yet to go after him! |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 10:57 PM |
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....... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-09-08 10:57 PM |
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The GOP can beat McCain? He is the GOP |
thevoiceofreason |
Apr-09-08 11:14 PM |
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Only the goddess can save us now. And besides, she's pretty! |
Bongo Prophet |
Apr-10-08 04:52 AM |
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Low blow considering the god Obama will save the world. |
mac2 |
Apr-10-08 08:46 AM |
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Clinton wins by 3, Obama loses by 7. Obama is unlikely to win a general election |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 10:55 PM |
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Call me once we begin campaigning against McCain |
Teaser |
Apr-09-08 10:56 PM |
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We need to factor in the fact Hillary is much more electable in choosing a nominee |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 10:57 PM |
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I'm still getting used to your new avatar...sorry, it caught me off guard! |
TK421 |
Apr-09-08 11:02 PM |
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Than whom? Jeffrey Dahmer? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-09-08 11:03 PM |
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The OP is the latest data point that supports it |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:05 PM |
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GE polls during a primary are practically useless. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-09-08 11:09 PM |
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Do you now what the (R) next to strategic vision means? |
hnmnf |
Apr-09-08 10:57 PM |
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SV is a legit firm |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:04 PM |
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Lets look at this again once we have a democratic nominee and a GE campaign going on |
tammywammy |
Apr-09-08 10:57 PM |
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Obama has yet to be attacked by the rethugs. He could be down 15 in PA for all we know by the August |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:06 PM |
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Yeah...down seven before he's even the nominee in ONE poll |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-09-08 11:02 PM |
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Yeah, as if only one poll has shown this |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:05 PM |
#35 |
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The RCP average is -1.5% |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-09-08 11:11 PM |
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For Clinton it is +3.7. That is a difference of over 5 and the rethugs have yet to attack St. Obama |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:14 PM |
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So where are the other polls showing he's down 7 in Pa. again? |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-09-08 11:24 PM |
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He does significantly worse than Clinton in poll after poll |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:29 PM |
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And how does Her Majesty measure up in WA, OR, CO, IA, WI, MN, and VA |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-09-08 11:33 PM |
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Oh. You want to get into electoral math? |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:42 PM |
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Yeah, we're real dunces about the electoral map |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-10-08 12:04 AM |
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We absolutely need to win Pennsylvania. |
NJSecularist |
Apr-09-08 11:04 PM |
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it`s over....every democrat in the remaining states |
madrchsod |
Apr-09-08 11:25 PM |
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Then you should be worried about Hill! Obama is closing |
my3boyz |
Apr-09-08 11:26 PM |
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Concern Troll Meets Granite Doody. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Apr-09-08 11:27 PM |
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Oh please. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-09-08 11:38 PM |
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YES WE CAN (win without FL, PA, OH, and MI and their 85 electoral votes)!!! |
jackson_dem |
Apr-09-08 11:45 PM |
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In all likelyhood |
Gore1FL |
Apr-10-08 12:07 AM |
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I love these posts that scream the SKY IS FALLING |
48percenter |
Apr-10-08 12:32 AM |
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can you post this again in 6 months? |
bobbert |
Apr-10-08 12:35 AM |
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While Hillary would win the state over McCain. |
Beacool |
Apr-10-08 12:53 AM |
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McCain owns the middle. Obama owns the left. |
aquarius dawning |
Apr-10-08 12:55 AM |
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Precisely, that's why Hillary would be a better GE candidate. |
Beacool |
Apr-10-08 01:30 AM |
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I know. Try explaining that to you know who though. |
aquarius dawning |
Apr-10-08 04:06 AM |
#89 |
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you realize |
johnnydrama |
Apr-10-08 12:59 AM |
#85 |
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Oh God. Does the fact that there are 7 months for things to change mean nothing? |
loveangelc |
Apr-10-08 01:51 AM |
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I'm not putting a lot of stock in that right now. |
SeattleGirl |
Apr-10-08 04:09 AM |
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Wait until it's he and McCain one on one. |
MrSlayer |
Apr-10-08 05:02 AM |
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Not valid. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-10-08 07:21 AM |
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Obama has just started his campaign against McCain. |
myrna minx |
Apr-10-08 07:26 AM |
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If Hillary would GTFO |
workinclasszero |
Apr-10-08 07:34 AM |
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McCain's campaign has hardly begun. |
Orsino |
Apr-10-08 07:36 AM |
#101 |
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So What? Obama was behind by 15-20 points to HRC months ago, until he started gearing up. |
Pryderi |
Apr-10-08 07:40 AM |
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Obama hasn't started his general campaign yet. |
Vinca |
Apr-10-08 07:43 AM |
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And well he shouldn't. He may not be the nominee.. |
Tellurian |
Apr-10-08 07:45 AM |
#106 |
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This poster is a trouble maker |
Life Long Dem |
Apr-10-08 07:49 AM |
#107 |
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i'm going to lock this since this |
wakemeupwhenitsover |
Apr-10-08 08:58 AM |
#110 |
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