| 51. C'mon, a little levity here! |
| -If Hillary Clinton - or any other woman for that matter - isn't a victim of sexism... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 02:52 PM |
#0 |
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You set up an illegitimate premise |
blogslut |
Apr-09-08 02:55 PM |
#1 |
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Okay, I'll rephrase this just for you... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 02:59 PM |
#3 |
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Now you're just confusing me |
blogslut |
Apr-09-08 03:04 PM |
#9 |
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LOL! |
Life Long Dem |
Apr-09-08 04:57 PM |
#96 |
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And this is where I insert a quote from Madeline Albright |
blogslut |
Apr-09-08 05:18 PM |
#105 |
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SHe climbed to the top on Bill's coattails. That's why she's no poster-child for |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-08 05:56 PM |
#128 |
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perhaps Bill rose to the top because she was the one pushing him n/t |
Scout |
Apr-09-08 08:25 PM |
#148 |
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Hillary has been able to use sexism as a shield and sword to get what she wants |
DJ13 |
Apr-09-08 03:08 PM |
#12 |
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So you're saying that... and correct me if I'm wrong... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:11 PM |
#18 |
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No she claims sexism at every available opportunity... |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:22 PM |
#35 |
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Do you think that the fact that there was no public outcry over the... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:27 PM |
#41 |
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What sort of outcry do you want? |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:28 PM |
#43 |
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what would happen if someone had a sign that said "pick my cotton" or something equal at Obama rally |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-09-08 03:35 PM |
#49 |
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Ok wait |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:47 PM |
# |
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Women did not get the vote until 1920. n/t |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:49 PM |
#62 |
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Yes I am aware of the womens suffrage movement. |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:57 PM |
#67 |
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If a woman runs for president less than 100 years from the time that... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 04:14 PM |
#75 |
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there is 1 AA in congress for every 900,000 AA's, there's 1 Woman in Congress for every 2.6mil women |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-09-08 04:42 PM |
#85 |
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You actually make an excellent point. |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 06:04 PM |
#136 |
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And that was engineered in order for WASP women to counter the votes... |
mitchum |
Apr-09-08 04:50 PM |
#89 |
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No, I think people assumed that guy was the village half-wit. |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:42 PM |
#55 |
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why is a sexist radio show prank ok tho, and racist comments are HORRENDOUS |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-09-08 04:44 PM |
#86 |
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When did Rush Limbaugh get fired for singing "Barack the Magic Negro"? |
JVS |
Apr-09-08 05:25 PM |
#109 |
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Oh God - he sure f'ing should have been fired. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:34 PM |
#112 |
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Oh, I didn't say it was ok and certainly didn't mean to insinuate that. |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 06:03 PM |
#135 |
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I would totally agree with you, however... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 06:16 PM |
#138 |
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And imaginary snipers... |
dchill |
Apr-09-08 04:54 PM |
#93 |
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I'm sure that any women has been affected by sexism. |
totodeinhere |
Apr-09-08 04:19 PM |
#79 |
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Amen! the voice of reason. |
Liberal Gramma |
Apr-09-08 05:56 PM |
#129 |
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I'm sure that any women has been affected by sexism, any black by racism... |
Mimosa |
Apr-10-08 04:32 AM |
#179 |
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Her marriage to a Governor and President surely propelled her to her |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-08 05:52 PM |
#124 |
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Oh... is that all? Just her marriage to Bill that did it for her? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 06:23 PM |
#140 |
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Her credentials as an attorney obviously gave her the qualifications, if not he skills, to accept |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-08 07:08 PM |
#143 |
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forgive me, but she has opportunity out the wazoo and has blown it |
roguevalley |
Apr-09-08 10:03 PM |
#154 |
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Welcome to ignore. |
EnviroBat |
Apr-09-08 02:57 PM |
#2 |
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Please stop wasting bandwidth. If you want to filter, then do it. |
11 Bravo |
Apr-09-08 03:28 PM |
#42 |
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Around here? No one! Sexism is only a figment of our imaginations. |
goldcanyonaz |
Apr-09-08 03:00 PM |
#4 |
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"Victims" are not Senators with $109 million dollars. |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:01 PM |
#5 |
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So a woman with money is immune to sexism? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:02 PM |
#6 |
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Not immune, but not a victim either. Victims suffer. |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:11 PM |
#17 |
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Okay... so spell out the distinction of how one who endures sexism is not a victim. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:12 PM |
#19 |
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Has sexism ever prevented her from getting a job? |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:15 PM |
#25 |
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Well I don't agree with you're definition of victim. I think it's extremely narrow... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:21 PM |
#31 |
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Then EVERYONE is a victim at ALL TIMES |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:22 PM |
#34 |
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I think that everyone who has had the displeasure of dealing with a sexual harassment situation... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:32 PM |
#45 |
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You have mentioned sexual harassment a couple of times, but what does that have to do |
Debi |
Apr-09-08 04:54 PM |
#94 |
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It's more of a statement underscoring that I believe we live in a sexist society. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:36 PM |
#114 |
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Sexism is keeping Hillary Clinton from becoming President? |
Debi |
Apr-09-08 04:52 PM |
#90 |
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No, it's not the key reason, but it's a factor, I think. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:09 PM |
#99 |
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I don't think so |
Liberal Gramma |
Apr-09-08 05:51 PM |
#122 |
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actually yes; she applied to NASA and was told "we are not accepting female applicants." but nevermi |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-09-08 03:44 PM |
#56 |
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Link? I've never heard that. If true, then that is credible evidence of sexism |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:55 PM |
#65 |
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it is absolutely true. hell, i'm 42 and i've had bosses say "we don't need no women here" to my face |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-10-08 12:33 AM |
#168 |
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That was then, this is now |
Liberal Gramma |
Apr-09-08 05:55 PM |
#126 |
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more strawmen; whether hillary wins or loses, sexism is still real and prevalent. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-10-08 12:35 AM |
#169 |
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We hardly owe her the dammned Presidency b/c NASA blew her off in the 60's... |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-08 05:59 PM |
#131 |
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"NASA blew her off," because she was female, but sexism doesn't exist. and yes, the incident happen |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-10-08 12:29 AM |
#167 |
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poor thing. it obviously ruined her life. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-11-08 03:54 PM |
#185 |
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Which did Hillary try to join first? Marines or NASA ? |
Mimosa |
Apr-10-08 04:46 AM |
#181 |
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LOL. She was hired as a PARTNER by the Rose law firm when Bill became Gov. Coincidence? |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-08 05:54 PM |
#125 |
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The road to power and wealth was easy? |
OzarkDem |
Apr-09-08 03:13 PM |
#20 |
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so it's okay to call rich black folks N**gers? please, you 'distinction' is an absurd attempt to di |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-09-08 03:34 PM |
#47 |
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Then everyone is a victim all the time. Racism, sexism, homophobia, ageism, religious bigotry. |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:40 PM |
#52 |
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to some extent, we are all subject to discrimination; of course the extent matters. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-09-08 03:47 PM |
#58 |
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Yes. |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 05:28 PM |
#110 |
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Who is a victim of sexism, in your opinion? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:47 PM |
#61 |
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My mother. |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:59 PM |
#69 |
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If you're treated unfairly, are you not a "victim" of unfair treatment? |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 05:40 PM |
#116 |
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But Im assuming that senators with million dollar book deals are still victims of racism |
Lirwin2 |
Apr-09-08 03:03 PM |
#7 |
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I wonder if that poster has you on ignore |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-09-08 03:41 PM |
#54 |
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No, he encounters racism. But I'd hardly say he's a victim. |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 05:56 PM |
#130 |
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Oh boy - |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-09-08 03:04 PM |
#8 |
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Piffle |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 03:08 PM |
#11 |
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An Excellent Word |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-09-08 03:19 PM |
#30 |
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Would it be inappropriate to say that we're all on our periods now... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:09 PM |
#15 |
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.... |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-09-08 03:15 PM |
#26 |
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C'mon, a little levity here! |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:40 PM |
#51 |
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1. her husband earned most of that... 2. they dont HAVE $109 million 3. irrelevant |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-09-08 04:45 PM |
#87 |
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ignore |
woolldog |
Apr-09-08 03:05 PM |
#10 |
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Sexism is wrong, and so is playing the victim card whenever legitimate criticisms are raised of you. |
GarbagemanLB |
Apr-09-08 03:09 PM |
#13 |
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So you're saying sexism doesn't exist within this campaign? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:13 PM |
#21 |
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No, I am saying that her supporters and HER have been all too willing to label any criticism as |
GarbagemanLB |
Apr-09-08 03:17 PM |
#28 |
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Can I ask you a specific example (s) of when Hillary Clinton herself... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:34 PM |
#48 |
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I wish we could level the playing field |
bigbrother05 |
Apr-09-08 04:26 PM |
#84 |
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and Obama never played the race card? really? |
Texas Hill Country |
Apr-09-08 04:53 PM |
#91 |
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We all are... it doesn't mean we get to blame our failures |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 03:09 PM |
#14 |
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So... women can't point it out? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:14 PM |
#22 |
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Not all "pointing out" is equal. |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 03:21 PM |
#32 |
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The role of a feminist pioneer |
OzarkDem |
Apr-09-08 03:16 PM |
#27 |
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Calling out sexism is one thing. |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 03:24 PM |
#38 |
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If you're the target of sexism, its the same thing |
OzarkDem |
Apr-09-08 03:33 PM |
#46 |
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No candidate is treated fairly. |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 03:47 PM |
#59 |
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And no other Dem woman has run for president lately |
OzarkDem |
Apr-09-08 03:51 PM |
#64 |
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She has been the victim of sexism. All female politicians are to an extent. |
Redbear |
Apr-09-08 03:10 PM |
#16 |
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Much agreed. I personally think this issue has transcended Hillary Clinton's campaign. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:15 PM |
#24 |
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Best answer in the whole thread. n/t |
Jamastiene |
Apr-09-08 08:18 PM |
#146 |
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This is the randomnest question everlasting. |
txaslftist |
Apr-09-08 03:14 PM |
#23 |
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Do you still beat your wife? |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:19 PM |
#29 |
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You've done it now. |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-09-08 03:21 PM |
#33 |
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For what exactly? |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:24 PM |
#37 |
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I meant to include |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-09-08 03:29 PM |
#44 |
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Yeah, I always forget that tag... |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:40 PM |
#53 |
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So wouldn't Clinton's exposure to sexism be a bit of detriment to her? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:25 PM |
#40 |
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No more than Obama's exposure to racism... |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:38 PM |
#50 |
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I agree about Obama. I think that he also deals with racism in this campaign. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:46 PM |
#57 |
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Ok SO... |
Lucky 13 |
Apr-09-08 03:56 PM |
#66 |
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I'm a woman and I'm not a victim of sexism. |
bunnies |
Apr-09-08 03:23 PM |
#36 |
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Good point... the word "victim" is loaded... I'm no VICTIM either. |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 03:25 PM |
#39 |
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Exactly! |
bunnies |
Apr-09-08 04:18 PM |
#78 |
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Interesting... |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 05:22 PM |
#106 |
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Well like I said, it's a loaded term. |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 05:40 PM |
#117 |
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Hmm... |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 05:46 PM |
#119 |
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No... I don't think it's that cut and dry. |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 05:50 PM |
#120 |
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Bill Cosby made what point? |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 07:14 PM |
#144 |
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I'd say she overcame sexism, not that she was a victim of it. |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 06:00 PM |
#132 |
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As a victim of rape when I was 17 years old, allow me to call you out on your smug assumptions. |
Beausoir |
Apr-09-08 11:56 PM |
#161 |
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It's not smart to make assumptions. |
redqueen |
Apr-10-08 09:43 AM |
#184 |
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Can I join the 'I'm not a victim' club too? |
Debi |
Apr-09-08 05:05 PM |
#98 |
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I have been victimized, but I am not a victim, either, because I did rise above it. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:11 PM |
#101 |
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So victims of robbery, rape, racial discrimination etc. aren't "victims?" |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 05:34 PM |
#113 |
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That's what I'm reading above... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:50 PM |
#121 |
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So if any woman applies for a job and doesn't get it, it's sexism? |
zulchzulu |
Apr-09-08 03:47 PM |
#60 |
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Are all women equally judged with men on their merits now? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 03:50 PM |
#63 |
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That's not even remotely close to what he said. |
FlyingTiger |
Apr-09-08 04:12 PM |
#73 |
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So I guess your answer is "yes"... |
zulchzulu |
Apr-09-08 04:22 PM |
#82 |
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who actually said that? links please? oh yeah, you were just making up strawmen. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-10-08 12:39 AM |
#170 |
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Fine, but men are also victims of sexism |
dailykoff |
Apr-09-08 03:58 PM |
#68 |
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Corollary: Obama is also a victim of sexism |
dailykoff |
Apr-09-08 04:01 PM |
#70 |
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Yup. If a woman explicitly doesn't vote for male candidates - including Obama - then he... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 04:11 PM |
#72 |
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Again, not even close to what that poster said. |
FlyingTiger |
Apr-09-08 04:13 PM |
#74 |
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Affirmative action... actually that would be racism... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 04:10 PM |
#71 |
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"X is an Equal Opportunity Employer. . ." |
dailykoff |
Apr-09-08 08:52 PM |
#151 |
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Yes. But there is a difference between "equal opportunity" and "equal number." |
Writer |
Apr-10-08 12:52 AM |
#174 |
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Wow, nice right wing BS there about affirmative action |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-09-08 04:15 PM |
#76 |
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What in GOD'S name does rape have to do with any of that? |
FlyingTiger |
Apr-09-08 04:16 PM |
#77 |
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If you don't understand how rape plays into discussions |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-09-08 04:21 PM |
#81 |
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You were responding to a post about affirmative action. |
FlyingTiger |
Apr-09-08 04:45 PM |
#88 |
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And yet the thread is about sexism |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-09-08 04:54 PM |
#92 |
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I wish I was a victim of sexism like Hillary was |
Ikonoklast |
Apr-09-08 04:20 PM |
#80 |
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I agree somewhat, so long as you also feel that way about |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-09-08 04:25 PM |
#83 |
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Another man who knows better than feminists when they're being "played for fools." |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 05:30 PM |
#111 |
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Exactly |
New Dawn |
Apr-09-08 05:39 PM |
#115 |
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The funniest part of this whole primary is watching women who used to.... |
Maddy McCall |
Apr-09-08 04:55 PM |
#95 |
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I agree Maddy |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-09-08 05:00 PM |
#97 |
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well, the kool-aide is strong indeed. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-10-08 12:41 AM |
#171 |
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Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic |
jgraz |
Apr-09-08 05:09 PM |
#100 |
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And I say that earth logic is not always rational. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:13 PM |
#103 |
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Who said that? Right, no one. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-09-08 05:12 PM |
#102 |
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There have been at least two threads completely eschewing the idea... |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:14 PM |
#104 |
| -
Where? |
Political Heretic |
Apr-09-08 05:25 PM |
#108 |
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Yeah, I'd like to see those too. |
redqueen |
Apr-09-08 05:43 PM |
#118 |
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Your thread is certainly one... I guess that's why you asked. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 05:55 PM |
#127 |
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That's not what my thread says. You can't just "invent" words, that's called lying |
Political Heretic |
Apr-09-08 11:27 PM |
#158 |
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Yes, however I do think you risk completely negating real moments of sexism when they occur. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 11:41 PM |
#160 |
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Risk is not "completely eschewing" And I agree Skinner raised some good points. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-09-08 11:59 PM |
#162 |
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Well... that's the only reason to start a thread like yours or mine. |
Writer |
Apr-10-08 12:13 AM |
#165 |
| -
Interesting, provocative subject, Writer. |
Sparkly |
Apr-09-08 05:23 PM |
#107 |
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yeah, hillary's been a victim of sexism...and obama a victim of racism... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Apr-09-08 05:52 PM |
#123 |
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Her fear of looking soft probably motivated her iraq & Iran war okay-dokeys, |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-08 06:01 PM |
#133 |
| -
Her fear of looking soft probably motivated her iraq & Iran war okay-dokeys, |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-08 06:01 PM |
#134 |
| -
The obvious answer is that women as a group are victims of sexism |
cbayer |
Apr-09-08 06:10 PM |
#137 |
| -
And thank you for your balanced, thoughtful response! |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 06:18 PM |
#139 |
| -
best response to the OP yet n/t |
Scout |
Apr-09-08 08:39 PM |
#150 |
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That is so nice of you! |
cbayer |
Apr-09-08 09:05 PM |
#152 |
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There's more statistics than that -- the feminization of poverty |
Political Heretic |
Apr-09-08 11:36 PM |
#159 |
| -
Dude (dudette?) |
Writer |
Apr-10-08 12:04 AM |
#164 |
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He said a little more than that, but yes - it does cut both ways. However, |
Political Heretic |
Apr-10-08 08:38 AM |
#183 |
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At some point she needs to show she is a champion and not a victim. |
Life Long Dem |
Apr-09-08 06:30 PM |
#141 |
| -
The fact that she's still in this damned race is a sign that she's a champion. |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 06:33 PM |
#142 |
| -
Then you agree, she overcame sexism and is not a victim. |
SoonerPride |
Apr-09-08 07:46 PM |
#145 |
| -
I don't see the race the same as you. There is no damning of the race as you see it. |
Life Long Dem |
Apr-10-08 01:35 AM |
#178 |
| -
Hey, here's a monthly contributor to Hillary. Like this one? |
faygokid |
Apr-09-08 08:24 PM |
#147 |
| -
I survived Katrina - I lost it all and am rebuilding my life |
merh |
Apr-09-08 08:33 PM |
#149 |
| -
So we shouldn't fight sexism where it arises? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 11:11 PM |
#156 |
| -
Fighting sexism does not equal being a victim |
merh |
Apr-10-08 12:22 AM |
#166 |
| -
Holy crap... I'll tell you what this woman is doing... |
Writer |
Apr-10-08 12:49 AM |
#173 |
| -
Sorry, I don't agree with you. |
merh |
Apr-10-08 01:27 AM |
#177 |
| -
Re: I *survived* Katrina |
Mimosa |
Apr-10-08 04:42 AM |
#180 |
| -
As a survivor, you might be interested in my journal entries |
merh |
Apr-10-08 08:18 AM |
#182 |
| -
If manifested itself when she chose a marriage/political alliance with a man who cheated... |
PerfectSage |
Apr-09-08 09:14 PM |
#153 |
| -
Why is her marriage our business? |
Writer |
Apr-09-08 11:12 PM |
#157 |
| -
Why isn't her marriage our business? |
PerfectSage |
Apr-10-08 12:01 AM |
#163 |
| -
Okee dokey. n/t |
Writer |
Apr-10-08 12:44 AM |
#172 |
| -
This isn't locked YET!!! |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-09-08 10:15 PM |
#155 |
| -
hmmm...Hillary is 1 of 3 people who may become most powerful person on earth and she's a VICTIM? |
yurbud |
Apr-10-08 01:01 AM |
#175 |
| -
Suffice it to watch TV or read a newspaper |
Beacool |
Apr-10-08 01:16 AM |
#176 |
| -
If Barack Obama - or any other African American for that matter - isn't a victim of racism... |
ProSense |
Apr-11-08 04:09 PM |
#186 |
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