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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:04 AM
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82. So we move the goal posts from the delegates, to the popular vote...
to the electoral votes, and now to demographics.

That will take some adjustment, as at each point we find that Hillary has no advantage over Barack, or Barack clearly wins. So the goal posts move. I will have to look into the demographic argument and get back to you.
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  -Clinton stronger in the big 3 swing states (FL, PA, OH) that will decide the election jackson_dem  Apr-06-08 10:32 PM   #0 
  - K & R!  AX10   Apr-06-08 10:33 PM   #1 
  - Well.....You can spin this any way you want to.....  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 10:34 PM   #2 
  - If we are smart we will choose her. Choosing Obama is waving the white flag to McSame  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:35 PM   #4 
     - If we're smart, we'll just say "to hell with primary results" and coronate Hillary  Paint It Black   Apr-06-08 10:41 PM   #9 
     - If he ends up with a popular vote lead that will be a huge dilemma  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #16 
     - agree - she needs pop vote lead incl original FL/Mich results or it is over  papau   Apr-06-08 11:06 PM   #32 
     - I agree and FL definitely will count while MI will be a toss up  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:16 PM   #38 
     - Untrue.  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 11:23 PM   #44 
     - Here you go:  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 11:29 PM   #54 
     - ITS OVER THEN !!!!  kmsarvis   Apr-06-08 11:25 PM   #46 
        - Nope. Both of those are myths.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:36 PM   #64 
           - BULLSHIT!!!!!  kmsarvis   Apr-07-08 12:07 AM   #83 
     - Now I get it, it's all about a free ride from the MSM!!!  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 11:22 PM   #41 
     - I don't see a dilemma at all  RiverStone   Apr-06-08 11:45 PM   #70 
     - I understand you are being sarcastic.  riskpeace   Apr-07-08 08:34 AM   #110 
     - Right. They said he couldn't last beyond Stupor Tuesday against  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 10:44 PM   #14 
     - Obama supporters are out of touch with political reality  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:47 PM   #21 
     - Hillary is struggling against Obama - you really think she can take McCain?  Paint It Black   Apr-06-08 10:53 PM   #23 
        - As Obama surrogate Bob Casey said today, the primaries are not the same as the general election  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:00 PM   #28 
        - She's gotten 400K more votes than BO from Democratic party primary voters. nt  MookieWilson   Apr-06-08 11:30 PM   #56 
     - Ugh. Will someone please let Obama supporters know that the primaries are NOT the same as the GE?  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:17 PM   #39 
        - Of course they aren't the same, but a candidate has to WIN the primaries to get to the GE.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 11:26 PM   #48 
        - You are arguing that because Obama survived Super Tuesday and narrowed big leads, McCain is toast.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:39 PM   #66 
           - Point out where I made the argument, please.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-07-08 12:00 AM   #78 
           - Sorry, the poster who I replied to made that argument. I thought that was you.  zlt234   Apr-07-08 12:03 AM   #81 
           - MAYBE NOT...  kmsarvis   Apr-07-08 12:13 AM   #84 
           - Fock, You are exactly right - I just heard Hillary say  cliffordu   Apr-07-08 12:19 AM   #88 
           - I'm who you were talking to:  cliffordu   Apr-07-08 12:18 AM   #87 
        - This argument coming from a Hillary supporter is making my brain hurt.  Alter Ego   Apr-07-08 08:16 AM   #107 
     - i thought Obama polled better against mcshame?  samsingh   Apr-06-08 11:51 PM   #72 
     - Hillary Clinton cannot win in the GE...  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-07-08 02:21 PM   #116 
  - Calling Acme moving Co.  bigbrother05   Apr-06-08 10:35 PM   #3 
  - Obama puts CO, WI, IA, NV and NM in play  NJSecularist   Apr-06-08 10:38 PM   #5 
  - Why must things always be defined by what's happened in the past?  sparosnare   Apr-06-08 10:38 PM   #6 
  - Math. Those states account for 25% of what is needed to win  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:44 PM   #12 
  - You are basing the math on old rules.  sparosnare   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #17 
     - The old rules? It has been that way for a while. Show us how Obama gets to 270 without them  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:48 PM   #22 
        - The poll you used said Obama can win PA and OH.  PseudoIntellect   Apr-06-08 11:28 PM   #52 
  - The past is not dead. In fact, it's now even past. Willian Falkner  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:08 PM   #33 
     - If you're going to quote Faulkner, at least spell his name correctly. n/t  sparosnare   Apr-07-08 05:42 AM   #99 
        - Yeah, you really should stay away from any difficult quotes altogether.  shadowknows69   Apr-07-08 08:13 AM   #104 
  - As long as there are two Dem candidates to choose from  rocknation   Apr-06-08 10:38 PM   #7 
  - All Three !!!  BushDespiser12   Apr-06-08 10:41 PM   #8 
  - First of all  OhioBlue   Apr-06-08 10:42 PM   #10 
  - New Rules? Making them up as you go along??  madfloridian   Apr-06-08 10:43 PM   #11 
  - Yeah, but he'll win Mississippi, Texas, Utah, and North Dakota,  QC   Apr-06-08 10:44 PM   #13 
  - You forgot Nebraska, Wyoming and Alabama.  goldcanyonaz   Apr-06-08 10:45 PM   #15 
  - And Montana! Ride 'em cowboy! n/t  QC   Apr-06-08 10:54 PM   #24 
  - It doesn't matter because Hillary will not be in the GE. n/t  ProSense   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #19 
  - ha ha.. did you forget your sarcasm button??  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:10 PM   #35 
     - Goodness no. He will win North Dakota. A lot of people watched him make a speech.  QC   Apr-06-08 11:28 PM   #53 
  - It's April not October and an OH, FL, PA strategy is a surefire way to lose another election  Hippo_Tron   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #18 
  - Do the math  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:55 PM   #26 
  - He gets around the experience issue by convincing the voters he is ready to lead  Hippo_Tron   Apr-06-08 11:32 PM   #57 
  - The Obama argument is based upon solid projections  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:32 PM   #58 
  - Very shakey argument.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:58 PM   #77 
     - So we move the goal posts from the delegates, to the popular vote...  bhikkhu   Apr-07-08 12:04 AM   #82 
  - Obama may be flawed, but so is McCain, big time  Hawaii Hiker   Apr-07-08 08:32 AM   #109 
  - Seriously?  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:27 PM   #49 
     - Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada were one point races last time...  Hippo_Tron   Apr-06-08 11:45 PM   #71 
        - You are assuming he wins PA like Kerry did.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:54 PM   #74 
           - A spouse can't spend their personal wealth on the campaign...  Hippo_Tron   Apr-07-08 12:46 AM   #91 
  - What makes you think Florida is a swing state?  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 10:47 PM   #20 
  - For one the OP reveals it is a swing state if we nominate Clinton  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:58 PM   #27 
  - OMG polls never change.  loveangelc   Apr-06-08 10:55 PM   #25 
  - good point. Obama once did far better than Clinton in general election performance  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:00 PM   #29 
  - The 'rethugs' have BEEN going after him. He's gotten most of the hate from the right  loveangelc   Apr-07-08 12:31 AM   #89 
     - I agree McCain is a joke & I hope Democrats call him out on his  Hawaii Hiker   Apr-07-08 08:24 AM   #108 
  - True--Dukakis was way ahead of Bush for months. n/t  QC   Apr-06-08 11:05 PM   #31 
  - Thats AWESOME  Cali_Democrat   Apr-06-08 11:04 PM   #30 
  - Read post 12. It is simple electoral math, something few Obamites seem to understand  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:14 PM   #37 
  - Here is the current electoral math  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:44 PM   #69 
  - tell that to the upcoming voters! of course Dean has been week. no telling what he will come up with  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:19 PM   #40 
  - I agree with you  Aussie leftie   Apr-06-08 11:10 PM   #34 
  - HRC won't win those disillusioned Republicans, and she might win Arkansas, but that's it.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 11:24 PM   #45 
  - Surveys show Ind. and R women will cross over to her - and they're just the ones that will admit it.  MookieWilson   Apr-06-08 11:33 PM   #61 
     - More women vote Democratic than Republican, anyway.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 11:35 PM   #63 
  - The OP is a false argument - look at the actual projections:  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:38 PM   #65 
  - k and r  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:11 PM   #36 
  - I'm sure you know this but  Blue_State_Elitist   Apr-06-08 11:23 PM   #42 
  - Can you do an OP where polls last June had Hillary Clinton's lead 25% ahead of everybody else?  zulchzulu   Apr-06-08 11:23 PM   #43 
  - Clinton puts CA into play... in short, she can't win.  Milo_Bloom   Apr-06-08 11:25 PM   #47 
  - Let it sink....... this is intellectually dishonest statistics  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-06-08 11:27 PM   #50 
  - Here's how he wins  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:27 PM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-08 11:29 PM   #55 
  - Forget the old formula about one or two states deciding the election. New territory in 2008  L. Coyote   Apr-06-08 11:33 PM   #59 
  - Notice Texas Was Dropped...Soon To Be Followed By Pennsylvania  DrFunkenstein   Apr-06-08 11:33 PM   #60 
  - Nice find Jackson.  Auntie Bush   Apr-06-08 11:34 PM   #62 
  - GOOD JOKE !!!!!  kmsarvis   Apr-06-08 11:39 PM   #67 
  - Except that it is a false argument  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:41 PM   #68 
  - It is past the point of delusion and hyperbole  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-06-08 11:53 PM   #73 
     - It is hard to resist throwing facts into speculative arguments...  bhikkhu   Apr-07-08 12:00 AM   #79 
  - YAY! Who needs voters or caucusers? They don't count.  jefferson_dem   Apr-07-08 05:36 AM   #98 
  - Old map. Old thinking. And Florida's likely going Red no matter who the nominee is.  kwenu   Apr-06-08 11:56 PM   #75 
  - As usual, Obama supporters cry foul when you assume away states, but then assume away FL  zlt234   Apr-07-08 12:01 AM   #80 
     - That is absurd  Awsi Dooger   Apr-07-08 02:53 AM   #94 
     - Okay. We'll win Florida! Feel better?  kwenu   Apr-07-08 02:13 PM   #113 
  - Primary results from insurgent campaign, the GE now depends on us.  MarjorieG   Apr-06-08 11:56 PM   #76 
  - I guess popular vote only matters to Clinton supporters when it's in their favor...  BlooInBloo   Apr-07-08 12:15 AM   #85 
  - Video of Hillary's statement accepting DNC rules...before she did not accept them.  madfloridian   Apr-07-08 12:17 AM   #86 
  - This is just dumb, all within or close to the MOE and November is SEVEN MONTHS away!!  ORDem   Apr-07-08 12:33 AM   #90 
  - I wonder if Obama's popularity will hold once the GOP slime machine steamroller goes into full gear.  BigBearJohn   Apr-07-08 01:19 AM   #92 
  - If we're going by arbitrary metrics, Obama is taller.  AtomicKitten   Apr-07-08 01:22 AM   #93 
  - Yeah, you know.  PseudoIntellect   Apr-07-08 02:56 AM   #95 
     - The reason Hillary isn't winning is because she is losing.  AtomicKitten   Apr-07-08 05:24 AM   #97 
        - Are we going to let voters decide this election or polls?  calipendence   Apr-07-08 08:06 AM   #103 
  - more deserate bullshit.......  bowens43   Apr-07-08 05:23 AM   #96 
  - Hillary or Obama, the Republicans are screwed. People are not going to forget the last eight years.  Perry Logan   Apr-07-08 05:46 AM   #100 
  - I think it is time for the whole nation to decide the president, and not  Skidmore   Apr-07-08 06:39 AM   #101 
  - Old electoral map, old paradigm - irrelevant.  polichick   Apr-07-08 06:56 AM   #102 
  - WHITE PEOPLE HATE BARACK OBAMA  Alter Ego   Apr-07-08 08:14 AM   #105 
  - K&R  cricket08   Apr-07-08 08:15 AM   #106 
  - Without MASSIVE BLACK VOTER support, Dems can't win OH, PA or FL.  Skwmom   Apr-07-08 09:05 AM   #111 
  - And when she is not the nominee...  snooper2   Apr-07-08 09:21 AM   #112 
  - Obama's ahead of McCain in PA and Ohio and he does better than Hillary in Iowa, NM, WA, OR, CO, VA,  book_worm   Apr-07-08 02:16 PM   #114 
     - Don't tell the Hillary supporters THAT!  JayFredMuggs   Apr-07-08 02:19 PM   #115 
 

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