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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:56 PM
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75. Old map. Old thinking. And Florida's likely going Red no matter who the nominee is.
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  -Clinton stronger in the big 3 swing states (FL, PA, OH) that will decide the election jackson_dem  Apr-06-08 10:32 PM   #0 
  - K & R!  AX10   Apr-06-08 10:33 PM   #1 
  - Well.....You can spin this any way you want to.....  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 10:34 PM   #2 
  - If we are smart we will choose her. Choosing Obama is waving the white flag to McSame  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:35 PM   #4 
     - If we're smart, we'll just say "to hell with primary results" and coronate Hillary  Paint It Black   Apr-06-08 10:41 PM   #9 
     - If he ends up with a popular vote lead that will be a huge dilemma  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #16 
     - agree - she needs pop vote lead incl original FL/Mich results or it is over  papau   Apr-06-08 11:06 PM   #32 
     - I agree and FL definitely will count while MI will be a toss up  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:16 PM   #38 
     - Untrue.  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 11:23 PM   #44 
     - Here you go:  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 11:29 PM   #54 
     - ITS OVER THEN !!!!  kmsarvis   Apr-06-08 11:25 PM   #46 
        - Nope. Both of those are myths.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:36 PM   #64 
           - BULLSHIT!!!!!  kmsarvis   Apr-07-08 12:07 AM   #83 
     - Now I get it, it's all about a free ride from the MSM!!!  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 11:22 PM   #41 
     - I don't see a dilemma at all  RiverStone   Apr-06-08 11:45 PM   #70 
     - I understand you are being sarcastic.  riskpeace   Apr-07-08 08:34 AM   #110 
     - Right. They said he couldn't last beyond Stupor Tuesday against  cliffordu   Apr-06-08 10:44 PM   #14 
     - Obama supporters are out of touch with political reality  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:47 PM   #21 
     - Hillary is struggling against Obama - you really think she can take McCain?  Paint It Black   Apr-06-08 10:53 PM   #23 
        - As Obama surrogate Bob Casey said today, the primaries are not the same as the general election  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:00 PM   #28 
        - She's gotten 400K more votes than BO from Democratic party primary voters. nt  MookieWilson   Apr-06-08 11:30 PM   #56 
     - Ugh. Will someone please let Obama supporters know that the primaries are NOT the same as the GE?  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:17 PM   #39 
        - Of course they aren't the same, but a candidate has to WIN the primaries to get to the GE.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 11:26 PM   #48 
        - You are arguing that because Obama survived Super Tuesday and narrowed big leads, McCain is toast.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:39 PM   #66 
           - Point out where I made the argument, please.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-07-08 12:00 AM   #78 
           - Sorry, the poster who I replied to made that argument. I thought that was you.  zlt234   Apr-07-08 12:03 AM   #81 
           - MAYBE NOT...  kmsarvis   Apr-07-08 12:13 AM   #84 
           - Fock, You are exactly right - I just heard Hillary say  cliffordu   Apr-07-08 12:19 AM   #88 
           - I'm who you were talking to:  cliffordu   Apr-07-08 12:18 AM   #87 
        - This argument coming from a Hillary supporter is making my brain hurt.  Alter Ego   Apr-07-08 08:16 AM   #107 
     - i thought Obama polled better against mcshame?  samsingh   Apr-06-08 11:51 PM   #72 
     - Hillary Clinton cannot win in the GE...  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-07-08 02:21 PM   #116 
  - Calling Acme moving Co.  bigbrother05   Apr-06-08 10:35 PM   #3 
  - Obama puts CO, WI, IA, NV and NM in play  NJSecularist   Apr-06-08 10:38 PM   #5 
  - Why must things always be defined by what's happened in the past?  sparosnare   Apr-06-08 10:38 PM   #6 
  - Math. Those states account for 25% of what is needed to win  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:44 PM   #12 
  - You are basing the math on old rules.  sparosnare   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #17 
     - The old rules? It has been that way for a while. Show us how Obama gets to 270 without them  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:48 PM   #22 
        - The poll you used said Obama can win PA and OH.  PseudoIntellect   Apr-06-08 11:28 PM   #52 
  - The past is not dead. In fact, it's now even past. Willian Falkner  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:08 PM   #33 
     - If you're going to quote Faulkner, at least spell his name correctly. n/t  sparosnare   Apr-07-08 05:42 AM   #99 
        - Yeah, you really should stay away from any difficult quotes altogether.  shadowknows69   Apr-07-08 08:13 AM   #104 
  - As long as there are two Dem candidates to choose from  rocknation   Apr-06-08 10:38 PM   #7 
  - All Three !!!  BushDespiser12   Apr-06-08 10:41 PM   #8 
  - First of all  OhioBlue   Apr-06-08 10:42 PM   #10 
  - New Rules? Making them up as you go along??  madfloridian   Apr-06-08 10:43 PM   #11 
  - Yeah, but he'll win Mississippi, Texas, Utah, and North Dakota,  QC   Apr-06-08 10:44 PM   #13 
  - You forgot Nebraska, Wyoming and Alabama.  goldcanyonaz   Apr-06-08 10:45 PM   #15 
  - And Montana! Ride 'em cowboy! n/t  QC   Apr-06-08 10:54 PM   #24 
  - It doesn't matter because Hillary will not be in the GE. n/t  ProSense   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #19 
  - ha ha.. did you forget your sarcasm button??  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:10 PM   #35 
     - Goodness no. He will win North Dakota. A lot of people watched him make a speech.  QC   Apr-06-08 11:28 PM   #53 
  - It's April not October and an OH, FL, PA strategy is a surefire way to lose another election  Hippo_Tron   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #18 
  - Do the math  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:55 PM   #26 
  - He gets around the experience issue by convincing the voters he is ready to lead  Hippo_Tron   Apr-06-08 11:32 PM   #57 
  - The Obama argument is based upon solid projections  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:32 PM   #58 
  - Very shakey argument.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:58 PM   #77 
     - So we move the goal posts from the delegates, to the popular vote...  bhikkhu   Apr-07-08 12:04 AM   #82 
  - Obama may be flawed, but so is McCain, big time  Hawaii Hiker   Apr-07-08 08:32 AM   #109 
  - Seriously?  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:27 PM   #49 
     - Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada were one point races last time...  Hippo_Tron   Apr-06-08 11:45 PM   #71 
        - You are assuming he wins PA like Kerry did.  zlt234   Apr-06-08 11:54 PM   #74 
           - A spouse can't spend their personal wealth on the campaign...  Hippo_Tron   Apr-07-08 12:46 AM   #91 
  - What makes you think Florida is a swing state?  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 10:47 PM   #20 
  - For one the OP reveals it is a swing state if we nominate Clinton  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 10:58 PM   #27 
  - OMG polls never change.  loveangelc   Apr-06-08 10:55 PM   #25 
  - good point. Obama once did far better than Clinton in general election performance  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:00 PM   #29 
  - The 'rethugs' have BEEN going after him. He's gotten most of the hate from the right  loveangelc   Apr-07-08 12:31 AM   #89 
     - I agree McCain is a joke & I hope Democrats call him out on his  Hawaii Hiker   Apr-07-08 08:24 AM   #108 
  - True--Dukakis was way ahead of Bush for months. n/t  QC   Apr-06-08 11:05 PM   #31 
  - Thats AWESOME  Cali_Democrat   Apr-06-08 11:04 PM   #30 
  - Read post 12. It is simple electoral math, something few Obamites seem to understand  jackson_dem   Apr-06-08 11:14 PM   #37 
  - Here is the current electoral math  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:44 PM   #69 
  - tell that to the upcoming voters! of course Dean has been week. no telling what he will come up with  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:19 PM   #40 
  - I agree with you  Aussie leftie   Apr-06-08 11:10 PM   #34 
  - HRC won't win those disillusioned Republicans, and she might win Arkansas, but that's it.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 11:24 PM   #45 
  - Surveys show Ind. and R women will cross over to her - and they're just the ones that will admit it.  MookieWilson   Apr-06-08 11:33 PM   #61 
     - More women vote Democratic than Republican, anyway.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-08 11:35 PM   #63 
  - The OP is a false argument - look at the actual projections:  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:38 PM   #65 
  - k and r  rodeodance   Apr-06-08 11:11 PM   #36 
  - I'm sure you know this but  Blue_State_Elitist   Apr-06-08 11:23 PM   #42 
  - Can you do an OP where polls last June had Hillary Clinton's lead 25% ahead of everybody else?  zulchzulu   Apr-06-08 11:23 PM   #43 
  - Clinton puts CA into play... in short, she can't win.  Milo_Bloom   Apr-06-08 11:25 PM   #47 
  - Let it sink....... this is intellectually dishonest statistics  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-06-08 11:27 PM   #50 
  - Here's how he wins  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:27 PM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-08 11:29 PM   #55 
  - Forget the old formula about one or two states deciding the election. New territory in 2008  L. Coyote   Apr-06-08 11:33 PM   #59 
  - Notice Texas Was Dropped...Soon To Be Followed By Pennsylvania  DrFunkenstein   Apr-06-08 11:33 PM   #60 
  - Nice find Jackson.  Auntie Bush   Apr-06-08 11:34 PM   #62 
  - GOOD JOKE !!!!!  kmsarvis   Apr-06-08 11:39 PM   #67 
  - Except that it is a false argument  bhikkhu   Apr-06-08 11:41 PM   #68 
  - It is past the point of delusion and hyperbole  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-06-08 11:53 PM   #73 
     - It is hard to resist throwing facts into speculative arguments...  bhikkhu   Apr-07-08 12:00 AM   #79 
  - YAY! Who needs voters or caucusers? They don't count.  jefferson_dem   Apr-07-08 05:36 AM   #98 
  - Old map. Old thinking. And Florida's likely going Red no matter who the nominee is.  kwenu   Apr-06-08 11:56 PM   #75 
  - As usual, Obama supporters cry foul when you assume away states, but then assume away FL  zlt234   Apr-07-08 12:01 AM   #80 
     - That is absurd  Awsi Dooger   Apr-07-08 02:53 AM   #94 
     - Okay. We'll win Florida! Feel better?  kwenu   Apr-07-08 02:13 PM   #113 
  - Primary results from insurgent campaign, the GE now depends on us.  MarjorieG   Apr-06-08 11:56 PM   #76 
  - I guess popular vote only matters to Clinton supporters when it's in their favor...  BlooInBloo   Apr-07-08 12:15 AM   #85 
  - Video of Hillary's statement accepting DNC rules...before she did not accept them.  madfloridian   Apr-07-08 12:17 AM   #86 
  - This is just dumb, all within or close to the MOE and November is SEVEN MONTHS away!!  ORDem   Apr-07-08 12:33 AM   #90 
  - I wonder if Obama's popularity will hold once the GOP slime machine steamroller goes into full gear.  BigBearJohn   Apr-07-08 01:19 AM   #92 
  - If we're going by arbitrary metrics, Obama is taller.  AtomicKitten   Apr-07-08 01:22 AM   #93 
  - Yeah, you know.  PseudoIntellect   Apr-07-08 02:56 AM   #95 
     - The reason Hillary isn't winning is because she is losing.  AtomicKitten   Apr-07-08 05:24 AM   #97 
        - Are we going to let voters decide this election or polls?  calipendence   Apr-07-08 08:06 AM   #103 
  - more deserate bullshit.......  bowens43   Apr-07-08 05:23 AM   #96 
  - Hillary or Obama, the Republicans are screwed. People are not going to forget the last eight years.  Perry Logan   Apr-07-08 05:46 AM   #100 
  - I think it is time for the whole nation to decide the president, and not  Skidmore   Apr-07-08 06:39 AM   #101 
  - Old electoral map, old paradigm - irrelevant.  polichick   Apr-07-08 06:56 AM   #102 
  - WHITE PEOPLE HATE BARACK OBAMA  Alter Ego   Apr-07-08 08:14 AM   #105 
  - K&R  cricket08   Apr-07-08 08:15 AM   #106 
  - Without MASSIVE BLACK VOTER support, Dems can't win OH, PA or FL.  Skwmom   Apr-07-08 09:05 AM   #111 
  - And when she is not the nominee...  snooper2   Apr-07-08 09:21 AM   #112 
  - Obama's ahead of McCain in PA and Ohio and he does better than Hillary in Iowa, NM, WA, OR, CO, VA,  book_worm   Apr-07-08 02:16 PM   #114 
     - Don't tell the Hillary supporters THAT!  JayFredMuggs   Apr-07-08 02:19 PM   #115 

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