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Sun Apr-06-08 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #32 |
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Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 11:25 PM by kmsarvis
THE IDEA THAT SHE CAN CATCH UP IN THE POPULAR VOTE IS A MSM PERPETUATED MYTH. EVEN WITH FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN COUNTED SHE WOULD STILL LIKEY BE DOWN BY BETWWEN 200,000-400,000 VOTES. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT YOU REALY CANT ADD PRIMARY AND CAUCUS VOTE TOTALS TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. THIS IS WHY WE GO BY DELEGATE TOTALS. TO GET AN ACCURATE POPULAR VOTE TOTAL YOU WOULD HAVE TO WEIGHT THE CAUCUS VOTES PROPORTIONALY, THIS WOULD GIVE OBAMA A SIGNIFICANT LEAD.
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| -Clinton stronger in the big 3 swing states (FL, PA, OH) that will decide the election |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:32 PM |
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K & R! |
AX10 |
Apr-06-08 10:33 PM |
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Well.....You can spin this any way you want to..... |
cliffordu |
Apr-06-08 10:34 PM |
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If we are smart we will choose her. Choosing Obama is waving the white flag to McSame |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:35 PM |
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If we're smart, we'll just say "to hell with primary results" and coronate Hillary |
Paint It Black |
Apr-06-08 10:41 PM |
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If he ends up with a popular vote lead that will be a huge dilemma |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:46 PM |
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agree - she needs pop vote lead incl original FL/Mich results or it is over |
papau |
Apr-06-08 11:06 PM |
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I agree and FL definitely will count while MI will be a toss up |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 11:16 PM |
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Untrue. |
cliffordu |
Apr-06-08 11:23 PM |
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Here you go: |
cliffordu |
Apr-06-08 11:29 PM |
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ITS OVER THEN !!!! |
kmsarvis |
Apr-06-08 11:25 PM |
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Nope. Both of those are myths. |
zlt234 |
Apr-06-08 11:36 PM |
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BULLSHIT!!!!! |
kmsarvis |
Apr-07-08 12:07 AM |
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Now I get it, it's all about a free ride from the MSM!!! |
cliffordu |
Apr-06-08 11:22 PM |
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I don't see a dilemma at all |
RiverStone |
Apr-06-08 11:45 PM |
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I understand you are being sarcastic. |
riskpeace |
Apr-07-08 08:34 AM |
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Right. They said he couldn't last beyond Stupor Tuesday against |
cliffordu |
Apr-06-08 10:44 PM |
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Obama supporters are out of touch with political reality |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:47 PM |
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Hillary is struggling against Obama - you really think she can take McCain? |
Paint It Black |
Apr-06-08 10:53 PM |
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As Obama surrogate Bob Casey said today, the primaries are not the same as the general election |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 11:00 PM |
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She's gotten 400K more votes than BO from Democratic party primary voters. nt |
MookieWilson |
Apr-06-08 11:30 PM |
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Ugh. Will someone please let Obama supporters know that the primaries are NOT the same as the GE? |
zlt234 |
Apr-06-08 11:17 PM |
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Of course they aren't the same, but a candidate has to WIN the primaries to get to the GE. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-06-08 11:26 PM |
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You are arguing that because Obama survived Super Tuesday and narrowed big leads, McCain is toast. |
zlt234 |
Apr-06-08 11:39 PM |
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Point out where I made the argument, please. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-07-08 12:00 AM |
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Sorry, the poster who I replied to made that argument. I thought that was you. |
zlt234 |
Apr-07-08 12:03 AM |
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MAYBE NOT... |
kmsarvis |
Apr-07-08 12:13 AM |
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Fock, You are exactly right - I just heard Hillary say |
cliffordu |
Apr-07-08 12:19 AM |
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I'm who you were talking to: |
cliffordu |
Apr-07-08 12:18 AM |
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This argument coming from a Hillary supporter is making my brain hurt. |
Alter Ego |
Apr-07-08 08:16 AM |
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i thought Obama polled better against mcshame? |
samsingh |
Apr-06-08 11:51 PM |
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Hillary Clinton cannot win in the GE... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Apr-07-08 02:21 PM |
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Calling Acme moving Co. |
bigbrother05 |
Apr-06-08 10:35 PM |
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Obama puts CO, WI, IA, NV and NM in play |
NJSecularist |
Apr-06-08 10:38 PM |
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Why must things always be defined by what's happened in the past? |
sparosnare |
Apr-06-08 10:38 PM |
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Math. Those states account for 25% of what is needed to win |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:44 PM |
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You are basing the math on old rules. |
sparosnare |
Apr-06-08 10:46 PM |
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The old rules? It has been that way for a while. Show us how Obama gets to 270 without them |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:48 PM |
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The poll you used said Obama can win PA and OH. |
PseudoIntellect |
Apr-06-08 11:28 PM |
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The past is not dead. In fact, it's now even past. Willian Falkner |
rodeodance |
Apr-06-08 11:08 PM |
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If you're going to quote Faulkner, at least spell his name correctly. n/t |
sparosnare |
Apr-07-08 05:42 AM |
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Yeah, you really should stay away from any difficult quotes altogether. |
shadowknows69 |
Apr-07-08 08:13 AM |
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As long as there are two Dem candidates to choose from |
rocknation |
Apr-06-08 10:38 PM |
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All Three !!! |
BushDespiser12 |
Apr-06-08 10:41 PM |
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First of all |
OhioBlue |
Apr-06-08 10:42 PM |
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New Rules? Making them up as you go along?? |
madfloridian |
Apr-06-08 10:43 PM |
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Yeah, but he'll win Mississippi, Texas, Utah, and North Dakota, |
QC |
Apr-06-08 10:44 PM |
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You forgot Nebraska, Wyoming and Alabama. |
goldcanyonaz |
Apr-06-08 10:45 PM |
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And Montana! Ride 'em cowboy! n/t |
QC |
Apr-06-08 10:54 PM |
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It doesn't matter because Hillary will not be in the GE. n/t |
ProSense |
Apr-06-08 10:46 PM |
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ha ha.. did you forget your sarcasm button?? |
rodeodance |
Apr-06-08 11:10 PM |
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Goodness no. He will win North Dakota. A lot of people watched him make a speech. |
QC |
Apr-06-08 11:28 PM |
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It's April not October and an OH, FL, PA strategy is a surefire way to lose another election |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-06-08 10:46 PM |
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Do the math |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:55 PM |
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He gets around the experience issue by convincing the voters he is ready to lead |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-06-08 11:32 PM |
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The Obama argument is based upon solid projections |
bhikkhu |
Apr-06-08 11:32 PM |
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Very shakey argument. |
zlt234 |
Apr-06-08 11:58 PM |
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So we move the goal posts from the delegates, to the popular vote... |
bhikkhu |
Apr-07-08 12:04 AM |
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Obama may be flawed, but so is McCain, big time |
Hawaii Hiker |
Apr-07-08 08:32 AM |
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Seriously? |
zlt234 |
Apr-06-08 11:27 PM |
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Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada were one point races last time... |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-06-08 11:45 PM |
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You are assuming he wins PA like Kerry did. |
zlt234 |
Apr-06-08 11:54 PM |
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A spouse can't spend their personal wealth on the campaign... |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-07-08 12:46 AM |
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What makes you think Florida is a swing state? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-06-08 10:47 PM |
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For one the OP reveals it is a swing state if we nominate Clinton |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 10:58 PM |
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OMG polls never change. |
loveangelc |
Apr-06-08 10:55 PM |
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good point. Obama once did far better than Clinton in general election performance |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 11:00 PM |
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The 'rethugs' have BEEN going after him. He's gotten most of the hate from the right |
loveangelc |
Apr-07-08 12:31 AM |
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I agree McCain is a joke & I hope Democrats call him out on his |
Hawaii Hiker |
Apr-07-08 08:24 AM |
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True--Dukakis was way ahead of Bush for months. n/t |
QC |
Apr-06-08 11:05 PM |
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Thats AWESOME |
Cali_Democrat |
Apr-06-08 11:04 PM |
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Read post 12. It is simple electoral math, something few Obamites seem to understand |
jackson_dem |
Apr-06-08 11:14 PM |
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Here is the current electoral math |
bhikkhu |
Apr-06-08 11:44 PM |
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tell that to the upcoming voters! of course Dean has been week. no telling what he will come up with |
rodeodance |
Apr-06-08 11:19 PM |
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I agree with you |
Aussie leftie |
Apr-06-08 11:10 PM |
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HRC won't win those disillusioned Republicans, and she might win Arkansas, but that's it. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-06-08 11:24 PM |
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Surveys show Ind. and R women will cross over to her - and they're just the ones that will admit it. |
MookieWilson |
Apr-06-08 11:33 PM |
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More women vote Democratic than Republican, anyway. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-06-08 11:35 PM |
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The OP is a false argument - look at the actual projections: |
bhikkhu |
Apr-06-08 11:38 PM |
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k and r |
rodeodance |
Apr-06-08 11:11 PM |
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I'm sure you know this but |
Blue_State_Elitist |
Apr-06-08 11:23 PM |
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Can you do an OP where polls last June had Hillary Clinton's lead 25% ahead of everybody else? |
zulchzulu |
Apr-06-08 11:23 PM |
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Clinton puts CA into play... in short, she can't win. |
Milo_Bloom |
Apr-06-08 11:25 PM |
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Let it sink....... this is intellectually dishonest statistics |
Ichingcarpenter |
Apr-06-08 11:27 PM |
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Here's how he wins |
bhikkhu |
Apr-06-08 11:27 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-06-08 11:29 PM |
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Forget the old formula about one or two states deciding the election. New territory in 2008 |
L. Coyote |
Apr-06-08 11:33 PM |
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Notice Texas Was Dropped...Soon To Be Followed By Pennsylvania |
DrFunkenstein |
Apr-06-08 11:33 PM |
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Nice find Jackson. |
Auntie Bush |
Apr-06-08 11:34 PM |
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GOOD JOKE !!!!! |
kmsarvis |
Apr-06-08 11:39 PM |
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Except that it is a false argument |
bhikkhu |
Apr-06-08 11:41 PM |
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It is past the point of delusion and hyperbole |
Ichingcarpenter |
Apr-06-08 11:53 PM |
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It is hard to resist throwing facts into speculative arguments... |
bhikkhu |
Apr-07-08 12:00 AM |
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YAY! Who needs voters or caucusers? They don't count. |
jefferson_dem |
Apr-07-08 05:36 AM |
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Old map. Old thinking. And Florida's likely going Red no matter who the nominee is. |
kwenu |
Apr-06-08 11:56 PM |
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As usual, Obama supporters cry foul when you assume away states, but then assume away FL |
zlt234 |
Apr-07-08 12:01 AM |
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That is absurd |
Awsi Dooger |
Apr-07-08 02:53 AM |
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Okay. We'll win Florida! Feel better? |
kwenu |
Apr-07-08 02:13 PM |
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Primary results from insurgent campaign, the GE now depends on us. |
MarjorieG |
Apr-06-08 11:56 PM |
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I guess popular vote only matters to Clinton supporters when it's in their favor... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-07-08 12:15 AM |
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Video of Hillary's statement accepting DNC rules...before she did not accept them. |
madfloridian |
Apr-07-08 12:17 AM |
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This is just dumb, all within or close to the MOE and November is SEVEN MONTHS away!! |
ORDem |
Apr-07-08 12:33 AM |
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I wonder if Obama's popularity will hold once the GOP slime machine steamroller goes into full gear. |
BigBearJohn |
Apr-07-08 01:19 AM |
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If we're going by arbitrary metrics, Obama is taller. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-07-08 01:22 AM |
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Yeah, you know. |
PseudoIntellect |
Apr-07-08 02:56 AM |
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The reason Hillary isn't winning is because she is losing. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-07-08 05:24 AM |
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Are we going to let voters decide this election or polls? |
calipendence |
Apr-07-08 08:06 AM |
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more deserate bullshit....... |
bowens43 |
Apr-07-08 05:23 AM |
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Hillary or Obama, the Republicans are screwed. People are not going to forget the last eight years. |
Perry Logan |
Apr-07-08 05:46 AM |
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I think it is time for the whole nation to decide the president, and not |
Skidmore |
Apr-07-08 06:39 AM |
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Old electoral map, old paradigm - irrelevant. |
polichick |
Apr-07-08 06:56 AM |
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WHITE PEOPLE HATE BARACK OBAMA |
Alter Ego |
Apr-07-08 08:14 AM |
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K&R |
cricket08 |
Apr-07-08 08:15 AM |
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Without MASSIVE BLACK VOTER support, Dems can't win OH, PA or FL. |
Skwmom |
Apr-07-08 09:05 AM |
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And when she is not the nominee... |
snooper2 |
Apr-07-08 09:21 AM |
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Obama's ahead of McCain in PA and Ohio and he does better than Hillary in Iowa, NM, WA, OR, CO, VA, |
book_worm |
Apr-07-08 02:16 PM |
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Don't tell the Hillary supporters THAT! |
JayFredMuggs |
Apr-07-08 02:19 PM |
#115 |
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