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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:31 PM
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28. OK this makes more sense now
and it sounds like it's the Washington post that should have done a fact check. It really was hard to believe that she or her campaign staff would be so careless. Still, it would have been so easy to verify this anecdote before moving forward and using it. Shame this wasn't done - it probably will hurt Clinton and it is obvious that it already has hurt the family.
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  -"A Painful Lie" (HospitalGate family speaks out, and they are NOT happy) Yael  Apr-06-08 08:57 PM   #0 
  - No one seems to give a rat's ass about the family....  OhioChick   Apr-06-08 09:00 PM   #1 
  - agreed but I've still not heard anyone in Hills camp  formernaderite   Apr-06-08 10:01 PM   #61 
  - Yeah, she's ALL image, no knowledge of facts  JayFredMuggs   Apr-07-08 12:58 PM   #130 
  - Yes, because hospitals never illegally turn people away from treatment  lastliberalintexas   Apr-07-08 10:11 PM   #143 
     - right you are...they can sooo afford law suits  formernaderite   Apr-08-08 07:54 AM   #147 
  - It was just a convenient story for HRC to help show she is "human".  ORDem   Apr-07-08 12:35 AM   #90 
  - So many women have "grabbed her arm" at campaign stops  Alter Ego   Apr-07-08 08:20 AM   #108 
  - this family is being hounded by this story and its so awful. she should  roguevalley   Apr-07-08 07:25 PM   #138 
  - I feel horrible for the family  SunsetDreams   Apr-06-08 09:02 PM   #2 
  - It is hard to understand this lack of professionalism. nt  patrice   Apr-06-08 09:03 PM   #3 
  - Obviously, Clinton and her campaign...  dchill   Apr-07-08 01:42 AM   #98 
  - She hadn't been able to verify any of the WMDs either.  pocoloco   Apr-06-08 09:03 PM   #4 
  - Wait a minute - I think you're on to something - with all the outsourcing  hedgehog   Apr-06-08 09:05 PM   #6 
     - You have a point there.  Zachstar   Apr-06-08 09:14 PM   #10 
  - I am reminded of the Mayberrys of Tennessee.  grasswire   Apr-06-08 09:04 PM   #5 
  - Al Gore sure wouldn't get away with  zidzi   Apr-06-08 09:11 PM   #7 
  - they made her wait a day w/a stillborn inside her???  fed-up   Apr-06-08 09:12 PM   #8 
  - The hospital is not looking good in this  MH1   Apr-06-08 09:18 PM   #14 
  - Hillary probably didn't even know the woman's name.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:41 PM   #43 
     - Saying a hospital willingly let people die over a fee is slander.  boppers   Apr-07-08 12:36 AM   #92 
     - Therefore......  dchill   Apr-07-08 01:47 AM   #99 
     - Would Hillary repeat any juicy story that was told to her, without checking it out?  marshall   Apr-07-08 01:00 PM   #131 
  - Questions like that show why stories like this can back fire.  hedgehog   Apr-06-08 11:12 PM   #79 
  - I want to know what happened, a woman is dead  sandnsea   Apr-06-08 11:42 PM   #86 
  - no.. it is not out of the`s not an emergency  madrchsod   Apr-07-08 12:28 AM   #88 
  - It sounds odd to me that someone with insurance went to  Virginian   Apr-07-08 12:41 PM   #125 
  - That happened to me  Madam Mossfern   Apr-08-08 11:52 AM   #150 
  - Who named the family w/o their permission? The hospital and the WaPo.  McCamy Taylor   Apr-06-08 09:13 PM   #9 
  - No, Hillary did not tell an anonymous story. She made one up.  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:19 PM   #16 
  - You have it completely wrong  anigbrowl   Apr-06-08 09:44 PM   #49 
  - Clinton spokesperson said. "She had no reason to doubt his word."  Bread and Circus   Apr-06-08 09:15 PM   #11 
  - How does it show she knew nothing of health care policy?  lastliberalintexas   Apr-07-08 10:22 PM   #144 
  - "... as far as she knows..." n/t  SoCalDem   Apr-08-08 11:54 AM   #151 
  - Clinton needs to offer a full and public apology for this.  Zachstar   Apr-06-08 09:16 PM   #12 
  - No, the hospital needs to investigate who violated the families confidentiality.  McCamy Taylor   Apr-06-08 09:17 PM   #13 
     - There were death notices in the local paper last August  anigbrowl   Apr-06-08 09:47 PM   #51 
  - wow, this is really bad news for Hillary  slinkerwink   Apr-06-08 09:19 PM   #15 
  - I don't see this as a big deal, except for the carelessness.  blonndee   Apr-06-08 09:20 PM   #17 
  - Do you want a president who repeats 3rd hand stories without vetting them?  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:26 PM   #21 
  - What do you think?  blonndee   Apr-06-08 09:27 PM   #24 
  - Me? I am still waiting to hear where the WMDs are  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:56 PM   #60 
  - No, obviously I want the president that claims to have been a  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:36 PM   #35 
     - Oh good then you're on the Obama bandwagon  tammywammy   Apr-06-08 09:40 PM   #41 
     - Yea, the University said he served as a professor.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:42 PM   #44 
        - Then you'll be very happy when he's elected this coming November  tammywammy   Apr-06-08 09:43 PM   #47 
        - In my view, he has about as much a chance of being elected as  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:44 PM   # 
        - Obama was a professor and you are just embarassing yourself.  Hissyspit   Apr-07-08 03:18 AM   #105 
        - Just because he was regarded as a professor or served as a  lizzy   Apr-07-08 05:46 PM   #137 
           - The University of Chicago said they considered him a professor.  Hissyspit   Apr-07-08 10:03 PM   #141 
           - LOL, it's hard to tell if this is a sarcastic reply or not  Fire_brand   Apr-08-08 11:47 AM   #149 
        - Wow, a minority of you Hillary supporters...  TwoSparkles   Apr-07-08 12:54 PM   #128 
        - Yes, this really disgusts me too!  JayFredMuggs   Apr-07-08 01:06 PM   #132 
        - it amazes me how people can't allow a university to name their  roguevalley   Apr-07-08 07:30 PM   #139 
     - Glad to have you on board  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:42 PM   #45 
     - I am not on any board with you.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:43 PM   #46 
     - OK.  dchill   Apr-07-08 01:50 AM   #101 
     - He was a professor.  Hissyspit   Apr-07-08 03:10 AM   #103 
     - He was a professor  catgirl   Apr-07-08 11:11 AM   #119 
  - I don't think so either  itsjustme   Apr-07-08 09:03 AM   #110 
  - Ouch - A public apology is a MUST here  varelse   Apr-06-08 09:22 PM   #18 
  - Good Question.  OhioChick   Apr-06-08 09:26 PM   #19 
  - An apology from the WaPo  McCamy Taylor   Apr-06-08 09:26 PM   #23 
  - As Well as From HRC  OhioChick   Apr-06-08 09:27 PM   #25 
  - Do you understand that this was very bad publicity for the hospital?  Levgreee   Apr-06-08 10:09 PM   #65 
     - The hospital should sue Hillary for libel  catgirl   Apr-07-08 11:13 AM   #121 
  - She wasn't naming the woman or the hospital.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:29 PM   #26 
     - Because she added crap "facts" to the story that were not true.  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:32 PM   #29 
     - She didn't add any crap facts to the story.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:35 PM   #32 
        - Crap facts added:  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:47 PM   #50 
        - She was told the story by the sheriff. What the sheriff told her  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:49 PM   #52 
           - She Tuzla'd the whole thing.  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:53 PM   #55 
           - Right here.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 10:04 PM   #63 
              - Reading Comprehension: D-  Yael   Apr-06-08 10:11 PM   #67 
                 - Apparently you can't neither read nor see.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 10:16 PM   #71 
                    - I watched it. Question remains:  Yael   Apr-06-08 10:28 PM   #72 
           - Hillary: Ready to believe whatever she is told on Day One.  JBoy   Apr-07-08 11:05 AM   #116 
           - how about stupidity regarding anecdotal evidence?  rosebud57   Apr-07-08 11:11 AM   #120 
           - She should have had her staff confirm the facts and get the family's permission to use the story  rox63   Apr-07-08 12:47 PM   #126 
        - you really have yourself twisted in knots to spin your way out of her lies  Lerkfish   Apr-07-08 09:49 AM   #113 
     - It wasn't a generic story, it was a well known local story.  Crunchy Frog   Apr-06-08 10:46 PM   #75 
     - um Pizza Hut Pomeroy Ohio? Pomeroy is a small town with 1 PizzaHut  rosebud57   Apr-07-08 11:11 AM   #118 
  - The WaPo printed the family's name here:  McCamy Taylor   Apr-06-08 09:26 PM   #20 
  - Or, she was caught (again) making shit up  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:29 PM   #27 
  - Can you read? She didn't make anything up. The story  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:33 PM   #31 
     - He told her about the death of the woman and her baby and that she worked for a pizza place  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:50 PM   #53 
     - He said the woman had no insurance.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 10:03 PM   #62 
        - He did? It isn't in your link...  Yael   Apr-06-08 10:12 PM   #68 
           - There is a link to a video in my link.  lizzy   Apr-06-08 10:14 PM   # 
              - I watched it. Question remains:  Yael   Apr-06-08 10:28 PM   #73 
                 - WTF should I discuss anything with you?  lizzy   Apr-06-08 10:39 PM   #74 
                    - more obsession by BO fans.  rodeodance   Apr-07-08 12:41 AM   #93 
                    - She was a salaried manager  Yael   Apr-07-08 07:56 AM   #106 
                       - I find it strange that the BO supporters are so supportive  goodgd_yall   Apr-07-08 01:09 PM   #133 
                       - That's because the sheriff said the woman was making minimal  lizzy   Apr-07-08 05:41 PM   #135 
     - She either believes everything she hears or makes things up  AngryAmish   Apr-07-08 08:39 AM   #109 
     - Of course she didn't, Hillary NEVER makes anything up...  snooper2   Apr-07-08 09:16 AM   #112 
     - A DEPUTY sheriff in Ohio's poorest county - like he's an expert on hospital policy  Divernan   Apr-07-08 11:00 AM   #114 
  - OK this makes more sense now  varelse   Apr-06-08 09:31 PM   #28 
  - It is incredibly hurtful to the family  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:38 PM   #36 
  - BULLSHIT  anigbrowl   Apr-06-08 09:55 PM   #57 
     - Important distinction - he was a DEPUTY sheriff, not an elected official.  Divernan   Apr-07-08 11:05 AM   #115 
  - I feel bad for the family  tammywammy   Apr-06-08 09:26 PM   #22 
  - Sen. Clinton owes them a huge apology. Now.  AZBlue   Apr-06-08 09:33 PM   #30 
  - She didn't do anything wrong. She repeated a story that was told to her by a local sheriff.  StevieM   Apr-06-08 11:24 PM   #82 
     - She should have verified it or corrected herself after the fact.  AZBlue   Apr-07-08 01:38 AM   #97 
     - Remember Obama's story about the officer in Afghanistan?  goodgd_yall   Apr-07-08 12:56 PM   #129 
        - Obama's done the same things, but Hillary is the one who gets  lizzy   Apr-07-08 05:42 PM   #136 
     - And bush* repeated stories told to him by Ahmed Chalabi....  bvar22   Apr-07-08 11:52 AM   #122 
  - I sympathize with the family, but it's too bad the grandmother comes off as so biased.  BerryBush   Apr-06-08 09:35 PM   #33 
  - So HRC should find a REAL one and talk about it to raise awareness  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:39 PM   #38 
  - Well, the grandmother's words are unfortunate  Crunchy Frog   Apr-06-08 11:00 PM   #76 
  - I know, unnecessary shame  sandnsea   Apr-06-08 11:44 PM   #87 
     - Grandma sounds like a Republican  goodgd_yall   Apr-07-08 12:03 PM   #124 
  - This is VERY bad news for Hillary.  Cali_Democrat   Apr-06-08 09:36 PM   #34 
  - I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Hillary never  lizzy   Apr-06-08 09:38 PM   #37 
     - If it wasn't for her repeated, DAILY lie fest  Yael   Apr-06-08 09:41 PM   #42 
  - way to fuck up, Hillary  JVS   Apr-06-08 09:39 PM   #39 
  - Hillary should be ashamed, but she has no shame. It's all about her.  InAbLuEsTaTe   Apr-06-08 09:40 PM   #40 
  - Omg. It just gets worse every day.  sfexpat2000   Apr-06-08 09:44 PM   #48 
  - This I can agree with  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-06-08 09:55 PM   #56 
  - This family is much more important to me than either campaign.  sfexpat2000   Apr-06-08 10:14 PM   #70 
  - I know can you imagine  tammywammy   Apr-06-08 09:55 PM   #59 
  - This is really scandalous.  Kristi1696   Apr-06-08 09:52 PM   #54 
  - Problem is Hillary looks sloppy. She doesn't fact check well  dkf   Apr-06-08 09:55 PM   #58 
  - wouldn't Hillary's solution have been  darboy   Apr-06-08 10:06 PM   #64 
  - Yes -- and garnish her pay  Yael   Apr-06-08 10:14 PM   #69 
  - We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story.  zulchzulu   Apr-06-08 10:11 PM   #66 
  - The Author of this Wrote for the Village Voice and is a good reporter  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-06-08 11:08 PM   #77 
  - I broke the story of this on DU first  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-06-08 11:10 PM   #78 
     - Thanks for doing the work too :)  SunsetDreams   Apr-06-08 11:15 PM   #80 
        - Thanks Yael asked me if I wanted to post it  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-06-08 11:22 PM   #81 
           - Heya Iching!  Yael   Apr-07-08 08:04 AM   #107 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Apr-06-08 11:24 PM   #83 
  - This is what happens when you spread rumors and gossip!  TexanDem   Apr-06-08 11:29 PM   #84 
  - Exactly - rumor/gossip  fifthoffive   Apr-07-08 09:16 AM   #111 
     - That's why hearsay is inadmissible in court of law - and HRC was taught that at Yale Law  Divernan   Apr-07-08 11:06 AM   #117 
  - My deepest sympathy to the family  pompano   Apr-06-08 11:38 PM   #85 
  - my friend and his wife went through the same thing  madrchsod   Apr-07-08 12:36 AM   #91 
  - I have to wonder if there isn't a backstory here  ekwhite   Apr-07-08 12:33 AM   #89 
  - The hospital is changing its story. My guess it is being investigated now.  rodeodance   Apr-07-08 12:43 AM   #94 
     - You must have guessed on Math tests too  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-07-08 12:46 AM   #95 
        - you are making ASSumptions and look foolish when you do that.  rodeodance   Apr-07-08 01:00 AM   #96 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-08 01:49 AM   #100 
  - I don't blame Hillary for this. Maybe her campaign staff should have verified it.  writes3000   Apr-07-08 02:01 AM   #102 
  - So her Staff is in-charge of Hillary taking a personal story and making it real?  Ichingcarpenter   Apr-07-08 03:11 AM   #104 
  - "Made her look like she was a welfare bum"  goodgd_yall   Apr-07-08 11:59 AM   #123 
  - I don't understand why they didn't just contact the family 1st...  CitizenLeft   Apr-07-08 12:47 PM   #127 
  - Clinton camp... "hadn't been able verify all the details"  krkaufman   Apr-07-08 05:03 PM   #134 
  - This is an attack against health care reform, not just Clinton  OzarkDem   Apr-07-08 07:36 PM   #140 
  - Thank you!  lastliberalintexas   Apr-07-08 10:32 PM   #145 
  - I'm sure the Clinton camp didn't mean any harm. But the story should have been vetted better  LittleClarkie   Apr-07-08 10:06 PM   #142 
     - They also oppose health care reform  OzarkDem   Apr-08-08 08:03 AM   #148 
        - You never have any links for your outrageous statements, DO YOU?  JayFredMuggs   Apr-08-08 11:57 AM   #152 

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