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Florida superdelegates will apparently be combative at the convention. Not eager to compromise.
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I was just getting ready to post this without too much rancor, but then I read this post by WesDem about Clinton finance people being accusatory toward Dean for what these two states did.

Now I am really ticked off.

I am tired of the Florida superdelegates and their nastiness toward the party, toward Dean, and toward reconciliation of any kind. They do not intend to let up.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is being very combative lately. For a long time Bill Nelson was taking the role of being pushy and angry. Now Debbie WS appears to be assuming the role of the angry one.

It angers me that she said this. I have been hearing some Democrats around here lately sound like it might not be so bad if they get to take part in the convention...that even a 50 50 split might not be so bad.

Watching the video from Anderson Cooper 360, I realized fully that this will not end until convention. Wasserman Schultz is the national co-chair of the Clinton campaign, and she is very very angry.

Right after the Florida delegation met with Howard Dean on Wednesday, she issued this statement that made my blood boil:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Clinton supporter, said Dean's tone was much less combative than it had been. "He's finally realized it's counterproductive to our goal of electing the next president of the United States to continue to insist on punishing the state," she said.
Schultz speaks out


Combative? Florida Democratic leaders have been so combative they have made it uncomfortable for Dean to even come to Florida. One compared him with Cartman on South Park. Bill Nelson even said that Floridians may not vote for the nominee. Combative?

She went on Anderson Cooper's show Wednesday night after the meeting, and oddly enough she first gave the impression they would cooperate with the Obama campaign.

The video from Wednesday night on Anderson Cooper 360.. Wasserman Schultz and former DNC chairman, David Wilhelm, an Obama supporter.

Video of Wasserman Schultz and Wilhelm



She was then very "combative". She is getting that way more and more. But first she sounds like they would be ok with a 50 50 split.

From the transcript.

COOPER: So is 50-50 OK for you?

SCHULTZ: You know, I think we're at the point now where we've determined that we're going to ensure that the delegation gets seated, and then we've got to let some more voters weigh in on what the outcome is going to be and get a clearer picture on this nomination process.


Not a no, not a yes. But the rest of the interview she really gets huffy.

COOPER: David, on the Obama side, is 50-50 OK with Obama?

DAVID WILHELM, FORMER DNC CHAIRMAN: I'm not an agent for the campaign, but that -- that sounds fair to me. A 50-50 split would mean that both -- I'm in Michigan tonight. Both Michigan and Florida would have their delegation seated. That's definitely the best thing for the party. It's something that Senator Obama has wanted to do from the get-go.

WILHELM: And in the context of elections that were run in violation of Democratic National Committee rules, a 50-50 split would mean the delegations are seated, but they will have no impact on the overall outcome of the race. And that seems like a -- a compromise that Solomon would be proud of.

SCHULTZ: Anderson, I can tell you that our delegation is united against a 50-50 split. That includes Obama supporters, as well as Clinton supporters, and our members that have not taken a position. A 50-50 split makes absolutely no sense. There are 1.7 million voters that went to the polls on January 29. We had a record turnout, and whoever the nominee is needs to be selected by Democrats from all 50 states who weighed in. A random 50- 50 split makes absolutely no sense and would be unfair and would disenfranchise voters in Florida.


COOPER: But with that kind of language, then, how do you get a compromise? I mean, what's the solution? Dean said no one but the candidates themselves are going to be able to come up with a deal.


Florida Democratic superdelegates, the big shots in Florida, are not going to let this thing rest. Even the ones who support Obama are refusing to put the country and the party first. They are putting their own state first.

I just read an article about some superdelegates who are new to congress. They are being threatened by their constituents that if they endorse the wrong person they will not vote for them. That is why many superdelegates are not speaking up. People are so effectively divided that there is no common sense.

If Florida continues to make waves, even on the same day as the meeting with the DNC....then it will affect all of us. The blame has been spread around and shuffled around until it is almost impossible to see the truth.

If one state continues its goal to put itself first, we will end up with a big mess. We will get the country we deserve.

Stand your ground, Howard Dean.
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  -Florida superdelegates will apparently be combative at the convention. Not eager to compromise. madfloridian  Apr-04-08 02:32 PM   #0 
  - Throw them OUT  HockeyMom   Apr-04-08 02:40 PM   #1 
  - They break the rules and now we all pay. Fuck this.  roguevalley   Apr-04-08 09:48 PM   #36 
  - Its a real shame that Clintons people dont realize.......  DJ13   Apr-04-08 02:40 PM   #2 
  - I agree Dean needs to end this once and for all.  Zachstar   Apr-04-08 02:45 PM   #3 
  - It would be nice....but it is not his call to make. He does not have that power.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 04:54 PM   #19 
  - Wasserman Schultz looks like Medusa  Cali_Democrat   Apr-04-08 02:47 PM   #4 
  - I find myself really disliking her lately... that's too bad, she has potential but she's kinda  themartyred   Apr-04-08 07:32 PM   #28 
  - Debbie Wasserman  youngharry   Apr-04-08 09:12 PM   #35 
  - Is Dizzy Debbie going to endorse a repuke again this year?  Dr.Phool   Apr-05-08 06:25 AM   #38 
     - Isn't Ginny BW the shitwizard who called Puerto Ricans "foreigners"?  40ozDonkey   Apr-05-08 10:20 AM   #43 
  - I have one problem with many of the superdelegates - the Congressional ones  MaineDem   Apr-04-08 02:48 PM   #5 
  - Florida again. I'm keepin' track.  Ron_Green   Apr-04-08 02:52 PM   #6 
  - More need to keep track. I don't think people realize the impact  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 03:23 PM   #9 
  - ...  Florida22ndDistrict   Apr-05-08 09:31 AM   #40 
     - I don't think we are in a situation where we want to keep score  davepdx   Apr-05-08 11:44 AM   #59 
        - re: I don't think we are in a situation where we want to keep score  Florida22ndDistrict   Apr-05-08 02:17 PM   #72 
           - I can attest to the horrible punch card voting devices  davepdx   Apr-05-08 03:32 PM   #77 
              - re: I can attest to the horrible punch card voting devices  Florida22ndDistrict   Apr-05-08 04:02 PM   #81 
                 - I wasn't trying to place blame but rather make a correction  davepdx   Apr-05-08 06:19 PM   #85 
  - frigging hell.  bunnies   Apr-04-08 02:57 PM   #7 
  - Watch video of 360. You need to see the "combative" tone.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 03:11 PM   #8 
  - Voting for Clinton is no excuse to have your vote taken away  OzarkDem   Apr-05-08 10:26 AM   #47 
  - hey floridian?  swampg8r   Apr-05-08 10:42 AM   #57 
  - I told you mad, but you don't listen. I said once they got in the doors they'd be "loud."  joshcryer   Apr-04-08 03:26 PM   #10 
  - They will be seated, not counted toward the nominee.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 03:36 PM   #13 
  - Yes, I think the SDs will decide long before the convention.  joshcryer   Apr-04-08 04:30 PM   #17 
  - My concern is both Florida and Michigan at the convention..  dogday   Apr-04-08 04:31 PM   #18 
  - Well maybe they'll not just be not seated, but also ejected.  JVS   Apr-04-08 03:32 PM   #11 
  - That would be epic.  joshcryer   Apr-04-08 03:34 PM   #12 
  - I have never seen such anger and hatred. From WesDem's link.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 03:49 PM   #14 
  - You don't think they're tired of the crap they've been getting?  joshcryer   Apr-04-08 04:29 PM   #16 
  - 5 States broke the rules... 2 were punished more severely then the rules recommended...  Florida22ndDistrict   Apr-05-08 03:38 PM   #79 
     - That is a lie.. Only two broke the rules. The others got permission.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 05:07 PM   #84 
  - This is bullshit.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 04:16 PM   #15 
  - See this is the issue  4themind   Apr-05-08 01:12 PM   #62 
     - I disagree. Both states need to be at the convention. No matter what.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 02:22 PM   #74 
        - Well then I concede...  4themind   Apr-05-08 03:49 PM   #80 
           - Here you go...here is what Dean meant. Clinton fundraisers attacked him  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 04:54 PM   #82 
  - Playing financial hardball....a tactic by FL and by Clinton's big donors here.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 04:57 PM   #20 
  - If it wasn't for people like you I'd pull a Bugs Bunny and saw the state off from the rest of us.  Forkboy   Apr-04-08 05:05 PM   #21 
  - It's kind of like that time Canada went on strike.  sudopod   Apr-04-08 05:51 PM   #22 
  - Wasserman's voice might be annoying, but she annunciates better than anybody I've ever heard.  MercutioATC   Apr-04-08 06:29 PM   #23 
  - Amen  4themind   Apr-05-08 01:19 PM   #63 
  - we should accept a Soviet style pseudo-election as legitimate OR ELSE?  crankychatter   Apr-04-08 06:52 PM   #24 
  - and ONE more thing-WHY do the media not confront this CRAP?  crankychatter   Apr-04-08 06:54 PM   #25 
  - A blogger put it well....it's so complicated it is easier to blame Dean.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 06:55 PM   #27 
  - C'mon, the DNC "alternatives" represented 1/10th the population.  joshcryer   Apr-04-08 07:53 PM   #31 
  - k/r KUDOS to MadFloridian  crankychatter   Apr-04-08 06:55 PM   #26 
  - Gee what a surprise.  skooooo   Apr-04-08 07:43 PM   #29 
  - mad, i think dean is doing good.  psychmommy   Apr-04-08 07:45 PM   #30 
  - I agree. The nicer he is to them...the more it shows them up.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 07:56 PM   #32 
  - 50-50..... cant get any more fair than that.....  happygoluckytoyou   Apr-04-08 08:01 PM   #33 
  - Dean is saying the same things to Michigan now.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 08:04 PM   #34 
  - ABC had an interesting discussion of Dean's role in this. Very fair one. Video.  madfloridian   Apr-04-08 10:58 PM   #37 
  - Where the hell were they during the 2000 Miami recount!  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-05-08 07:39 AM   #39 
  - 50/50 is not acceptable, especially for FL. I agreee w/ DWS.  Skip Intro   Apr-05-08 10:02 AM   #41 
  - Exactly. How outrageous.  goldcanyonaz   Apr-05-08 10:22 AM   #44 
  - Agree, everyone needs to relax  OzarkDem   Apr-05-08 10:30 AM   #49 
  - FL was a sanctioned primary. Its delegates don't count.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 10:40 AM   #56 
  - For a state that so blatantly broke the rules...50 50 is just fine.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 11:47 AM   #60 
  - the facts really piss them off  crankychatter   Apr-05-08 10:07 AM   #42 
  - Florida will be voting in the GE  OzarkDem   Apr-05-08 10:24 AM   #45 
  - Hillary has repeatedly stated  Changenow   Apr-05-08 10:38 AM   #53 
  - They will be combative until or unless the Clintons give the word  mmonk   Apr-05-08 10:25 AM   #46 
  - Obama's the one in control of this mess  OzarkDem   Apr-05-08 10:28 AM   #48 
     - No, THEY are in control of their positions  mmonk   Apr-05-08 10:31 AM   #50 
     - One thing you have to realize is they chose NO to revote,  mmonk   Apr-05-08 10:40 AM   #55 
     - Clinton is control of this mess  Changenow   Apr-05-08 10:46 AM   #58 
  - What's the difference between an arbitrary 50-50 split and throwing out Florida entirely?  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-05-08 10:35 AM   #51 
  - More goes on at the convention than  Changenow   Apr-05-08 10:39 AM   #54 
  - Too bad they're not invited yet  sniffa   Apr-05-08 10:36 AM   #52 
  - Oh, merciful God, please let Wasserman-Schultz be the first one tasered. nt  billyoc   Apr-05-08 12:00 PM   #61 
  - Hey MadFlo !!! - Which Obama Supporters\SuperD's In Florida Is She Talking About...  WillyT   Apr-05-08 01:26 PM   #64 
  - Wexler is one. He is putting FL before party and country.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 01:38 PM   #67 
     - But Why Would An Obama Supporter NOT Support A 50\50 Split ???  WillyT   Apr-05-08 01:49 PM   #70 
        - Pressure to keep the pressure on Dean, I would say.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 01:53 PM   #71 
  - Yes Sir, Master Sir, I'll be sure to clean that up right away sir....  ShaneGR   Apr-05-08 01:34 PM   #65 
  - Hot damn, another McCain lover on board. Whoopee! Tough guys  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 01:39 PM   #68 
  - Love McCain? What do you base that on?  ShaneGR   Apr-05-08 03:37 PM   #78 
     - "we'll be shoving a nice big slice of humble pie down your throats come August."  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 04:56 PM   #83 
  - And if you are calling me a sir, I am not one.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 01:41 PM   #69 
  - Small children  Xap   Apr-05-08 01:36 PM   #66 
  - Go get 'em, Debbie!  DemVet   Apr-05-08 02:20 PM   #73 
  - Debbie is changing the rules of the primary. Cheer now.  madfloridian   Apr-05-08 02:58 PM   #76 
  - This is why you announce the presumptive nominee in June after the primary and SD weigh-in.  kwenu   Apr-05-08 02:51 PM   #75 
 

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