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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 03:20 PM
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24. it's their true colors
You were quite young in 1992. I was 30. I didn't like Clinton then. He talked too much like a Republican on the economy. Everything was economic growth, economic growth, economic growth.

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His first term confirmed that for me in many ways, which I can no longer remember. Perhaps NAFTA and "the era of big government is over". Welfare reform, although he vetoed two previous bills. It seemed to me that he was not much better than Bush Sr.

He was much better than Dole, but I voted against him anyway since he was projected to win big. The second term seemed to be all Lewinsky. I had forgotten about his tax cuts for the rich and his other foibles.

Then there was 2000. What business did Hillary have running for the Senate in New York? She never lived there and was obviously just using the prestige and size of New York as a springboard for a Presidential run. Since New York is my mom's home state, I took that personally and tried to run against her. However, since I am not a celebrity with lots of connections to the rich and powerful, I was unable to get on the ballot. But it helped me to see her as a rich celebrity with connections to the rich and powerful as opposed to a person "of the people and for the people".

Then she voted for and promoted the Iraq war. Still, I figured her victory was inevitable and would not be too bad. Then Edwards ran, trying to advance the issues of the poor and working class. Meanwhile, Hillary was running an empty campaign based on her inevitability and collection of big-shot endorsements - before ANYBODY even got to vote. Her debate performances were empty - not gonna commit to a specific policy proposal until we have a balanced budget and a bipartisan commission. When she finally came up with proposals they looked suspiciously like Edwards' earlier proposals.

Like Lieberman, I think it is when push comes to shove that their true colors come shining through - the arrogance, the elitism, the dishonesty, the pro-business and pro-military and pro-prison biases. I think that is her real base and like Bush, she tries to sell herself as a person with compassion for the ordinary American and it just is not at all evident in the record she is running on.
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  -What Happened to the CLINTONS? NYDem Observer  Apr-03-08 02:53 PM   #0 
  - Life happened.  AGirl   Apr-03-08 02:53 PM   #1 
  - They sold us out.  nebula   Apr-03-08 02:54 PM   #2 
  - jackpot and..........  easy_b94   Apr-03-08 03:12 PM   #19 
  - No they didn't. We sold them out, believing the rabit RW media and other  jasmine621   Apr-03-08 04:44 PM   #45 
  - Nothing happened to them  MonkeyFunk   Apr-03-08 02:55 PM   #3 
  - If you mean that the Clintons adopted those tactics, I agree.  polichick   Apr-03-08 02:56 PM   #4 
     - nope, don't be silly  MonkeyFunk   Apr-03-08 03:16 PM   #21 
        - The tactics here are inconsequential - the Clinton tactics sank their own ship...  polichick   Apr-03-08 03:20 PM   #23 
           - and you're just proving my point  MonkeyFunk   Apr-03-08 03:24 PM   #28 
              - Speaking the truth is a nasty tactic?? (How very Clintonian of you.)  polichick   Apr-03-08 03:26 PM   #29 
              - "Kitchen sink."  RUMMYisFROSTED   Apr-03-08 03:45 PM   #38 
  - Power tends to corrupt  nebula   Apr-03-08 02:56 PM   #5 
  - nice troll post... regardless, where do you get the entitlement from? also,  Texas Hill Country   Apr-03-08 02:56 PM   #6 
  - So you're telling me  NYDem Observer   Apr-03-08 03:05 PM   #13 
  - to respond...  Texas Hill Country   Apr-03-08 03:56 PM   #43 
     - Wrong  NYDem Observer   Apr-03-08 04:14 PM   #44 
  - hmm  shagsak   Apr-03-08 03:23 PM   #26 
  - way back in December 2007, NBC did an interview of Edwards  hfojvt   Apr-03-08 03:30 PM   #32 
  - Gore's camp has said they were undermined in 2000 by Clintons. We know what TeamClinton  blm   Apr-03-08 03:50 PM   #41 
  - What I think happened is their plan went awry, and they're having trouble...  polichick   Apr-03-08 02:57 PM   #7 
  - Their thoughts of entitlement and desperation...  butterfly77   Apr-03-08 02:57 PM   #8 
  - Hillary and her "legal weasels" will do whatever is permissble by law to win...  ReverendDeuce   Apr-03-08 02:59 PM   #9 
  - They started out cynical and they got worse  BeyondGeography   Apr-03-08 02:59 PM   #10 
  - Their assumption of inevitableness turned people off. nt.  endarkenment   Apr-03-08 03:01 PM   #11 
  - You fell victim to a smear campaign  DemGa   Apr-03-08 03:01 PM   #12 
  - I mentioned nothing about race-baiting  NYDem Observer   Apr-03-08 03:08 PM   #16 
     - I've seen a lot of underhanded crap from BO  DemGa   Apr-03-08 03:13 PM   #20 
  - Greed , entitlement & hubris n/t  SoCalDem   Apr-03-08 03:06 PM   #14 
  - I believe that we're seeing what they've always been  eleny   Apr-03-08 03:08 PM   #15 
  - maybe they've always been like this, but the witnesses are piling up  Whisp   Apr-03-08 03:09 PM   #17 
  - Corrupted by wealth and power.  tabasco   Apr-03-08 03:09 PM   #18 
  - Used to be a big Clinton supporter, but can't stand them now...  PoliticalAmazon   Apr-03-08 03:19 PM   #22 
  - it's their true colors  hfojvt   Apr-03-08 03:20 PM   #24 
  - "I was a big fan of the Clinton years..."  cat_girl25   Apr-03-08 03:22 PM   #25 
  - You'd be suprised to find many like myself on DU  NYDem Observer   Apr-03-08 03:29 PM   #31 
  - I have to say  DesertedRose   Apr-03-08 03:23 PM   #27 
     - Wow  DemGa   Apr-03-08 03:27 PM   #30 
        - The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend. There are those  hedgehog   Apr-03-08 03:34 PM   #33 
        - Thank you, hedgehog.  DesertedRose   Apr-03-08 03:36 PM   #35 
        - Nevertheless, right-wingers must be smiling at their "vindication."  DemGa   Apr-03-08 03:37 PM   #36 
           - Let them smile! Why should we pass up a once-in-a-lifetime candidate  hedgehog   Apr-03-08 03:45 PM   #40 
              - Delivered on the back of abuse which parallels right-wing attacks?  DemGa   Apr-03-08 03:54 PM   #42 
        - Excuse me?  DesertedRose   Apr-03-08 03:34 PM   #34 
        - Not my intention to accuse you of anything  DemGa   Apr-03-08 03:43 PM   #37 
        - Meanwhile a Hillary supporter in another thread  walldude   Apr-03-08 03:45 PM   #39 
 

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